Petition to ban Trad

Any opinion on any topic is fine. 

What is not fine is for someone to perpetually troll a rugby site with calls for rugby to be ended and at the same time continually stirring up racial tensions.

Could those in favour of 'something/anything" being done about this please respond.

Yes. His rugby termination (sorry, SA rugby termination) rants are as boring by now as ou Maaikie's Morne Steyn rants.

Interesting isn't it. He gravitate to what he supposedly hates. Is spewing verbal malformations going to terminate SA rugby? No. Yet, here he is. I'm sure there is some forum better suited to his tastes. Perhaps we can help him find one. This is not a place to cater to his nonsensical gibberish. Would a pro-meat advocate sign up to a vegan forum promoting meat? Would they be tolerated? I doubt it. 

Nope, if you start messing with free speech, the end is near. If you really can't stand him, ignore him. 

The only Bible verse you'll likely ever see me quote on a chat forum: 

32 He that is slow to anger is better than the mighty; and he that ruleth his spirit than he that taketh a city."

Might just as well have been from "The Art of War"?

I'm not suggesting he be banned. I am suggesting he find something more appropriate. This is primarily a Springbok rugby forum. The total antithesis of what he is trying to convey. Why bother? What audience does he have? 

Draad

Nobody is saying the he can't say what he wants. He is not being denied free speech.

What he is hopefully being denied is the ability to practice his free speech anywhere he likes and in so doing ruining others experience.

EG  Go to your nearest church on Sunday morning, stand up during the sermon and start practicing your right to free speech by telling the congregation that church is a waste of time God doesn't exist.

Or stand up in a business meeting and start reciting a nursery rhyme. 

You get where I'm going with this?

Church is  religious platform, MTN's head office is a business arena and this is a rugby site.

There is a section for free speech unrelated to rugby on this forum - Beeno's Trumpet (aka the No One Really Gives A Shit section). If Trad uses that for his stuck record termination act, fine. Let's try to keep the rugby section focused on rugby (and not the termination thereof), as Plum nicely laid it out above .

Lurker, you are right. I wasn't responding to you, but the tread in general. He is here to troll white South African rugby supporter and white South Africans in general. He is giving his opinion of ruby in South Africa on a South African rugby forum. In a free society he should be given that opportunity, regardless of how irritating or stupid it is to the rest of the posters.

Edit S, I wrote this just after Lurker's post of 15:06 and only submitted now.

If he bothers you, ignore him flat. This thread is feeding a troll. You have made his day Plum, by caring enough to have him banned.

Not really "a bit rich", Cloudy. Most people who post something off topic now and then contribute actively to many rugby discussions. Trad just goes "SA rugby must die" over and over.

But no matter. Having standards has, after all, become the big modern taboo. Fortunately I can do ignore.

Pakie, are you equating my stance on not banning Trad as not "having standards"?

I don't think you did, just checking.

BTW, I think that IF censorship or moderation is applied, it should be by site admin, evenhanded and faceless. 

I think many people here are not quite sure what free speech actually is.

Free speech is not the ability to say whatever you like, whenever you like and wherever you like.

It's a limited right.

People here insult each other, disagree, troll each other and do everything else that happens on forums. That is normal and expected.

Is it acceptable to continually troll a rugby site with anti rugby posts?

Moderation of forums is not some new nazi practice. It's a common practice carried out on most successful forums and i think this place would be well served by some better moderation.

Agreed Plum, too many use free speech as a means of attacking people with impunity. 

Draad, did i advocate heavy handed moderation?

No Draad, I understand your reasons for not banning.

With standards I encompass things like accountability and respect. You come into a forum of rugby lovers and incessantly preach the death of the game. What are you trying to do? What do you hope to achieve? As you said yourself, he is a troll. He is free to be one, but he also has to accept that there are consequences to that. Just like there will be consequences if you spend your time at your place of work badmouthing your company.

Trolling is good for a laugh. Bait a few people, catch them, we have a laugh, we move on.

If that is all you have in your arsenal though, the same joke, the same line, the same tired rhetoric over and over again, then get yourself gone. I'm not of the school that tolerate fools, unfortunately, nor would I expect the courtesy if I make myself guilty of the same.

BTW, I think that IF censorship or moderation is applied, it should be by site admin, evenhanded and faceless.

Agree on that. I think posters are allowed to express their displeasure though, but Admin has the final word and we abide by that.

Cloudy, not true. They are sensitive to som e racial stuff, but not over sensitive.  It's a good thing that our boundaries are being tested a bit.

Ban beanshit first .

I notice you lot dont care what shithead says because its not aimed at you guys but when its one of yours giving you shit  its time to start whining  about banning eh ?Who the fuck gives you the right to decide Plum ? You dont have anything to say about your mate beanshit trolling this site .

Unlike shit-for-brains Trad actually slips in a few worthy remarks.

And a petition to ban Trad is what I would call "heavy handed moderation " ya hypocrite.

Not true, Cloudy. There is moderation and it is applied when necessary. 

Anyone entertained the idea of collectively ignoring The Tradionalist?..and yes good question Wardad…….what makes him any more irritating, annoying whatever than the Jihadi Beeno with his volumes of Bible readings and political diatribe in the Rugby section of the forum?

I can tell you about a poster who left the board because of Jihadi Beeno, I've yet to find one who has left because of The Tradionalist and that's not saying that I don't find him annoying.

WD

Beeno makes contributes to RUGBY posts. So does every other poster on this site. Literally every one aside from Trad.

Trad comes here for the sole purpose of calling for rugby in SA to be ended.

Trad has not on a single occasion made one rugby post. NOT ONE!

That is the difference.

Well done though, on completely missing that pretty obvious fact.

Jeezum crow Cloudster ya shot holes in plum pretty easily eh ?Trad posts about rugby heaps ,just not the sort of posts some want to read .

True Denny  he may annoy some but hes nowhere near as bad as beandick.So maybe some should take your advice and ignore him.You know like all decent minded folks are told to do about beanshit.

In the beginning there was God, who by fear of everlasting pain got AfrikanerDOM (and other ethnicities of similar cognitive deficiency, including the anglophone world) to toe the line.

Then the period of free flow of information (transparent and due legal process) arrived. A brief, welcome interlude, spanning no more than a decade or two.

After which of course, there was the emergence of Big Brother, who duly returned us to pre-lutheran times.

Why are y'all so afraid of a man speaking his mind?

We are not afraid and some of us are actually defending his right to be here regardless if the fact that we strongly disagree with his opinion...Same as with you Nda-Zanu. Funny how the 90% majority must be protected against an 8% minority??? only in Africa. 

DbDraad, and everyone else, just ignore Ndabaningi. He is a blatant troll. He is just here to stir racial tension. Just for our NZ posters, he is calling white Afrikaans speaking South Africans, actually on re-reading his post, all people of white ethnicity DOM, which means stupid. In other words, a generalized racist slur. 

I have never called for anyone to get kicked, but surely we cannot tolerate racism? If this is allowed, what will follow is Ruckers Forum becoming a racist free for all. I will not stick around for that. 

"In the beginning there was God, who by fear of everlasting pain got AfrikanerDOM (and other ethnicities of similar cognitive deficiency, including the anglophone world) to toe the line" 

"IQ statistics kinda disagree with you there Bob."

"How so?"

"Well the average IQ for the majority in SA sits at 78 and that is just 6 points above the mental retardation threshold."

"Hang on! Are you saying that most of SA is almost retarded?"

"Yes and no Bob."

"Huh!?"

"Yes, most of SA is almost retarded. And no, it's no me saying that but rather the statistics."

"But that's racist sir."

" No Bob, numbers can't be racist and they don't care about your feelings."

Didn't want to go there Plum and I think you should reconsider being dragged in by a troll. I think it's someone pretending to be a black Zanu PF supporter. I don't think it's Rooi or his alter ego Kitchener, but it sure looks like Kitchener' s style.

Nah, mate. I'll treat it on face value until such time that it's proven to be a mole. 

We allow too much to be said and are much too measured in our responses. 

If there is not going to be any moderation then lets be cowboys.

I think Trad should spend more time in a dictionary as opposed to the dictionizzle he has been consumed by. 

Like I said some of you chaps are quite blind to your mates when they are flinging shit at us ,better use the same criteria when its yours pouring shit on your lot else ya'll be as big a hypocrite as plum.

Well Ward, I take it that last comment was not aimed at me. For example, I often take out Beans about his right wing tendencies. 

Moz, very good case made and you are right, the "300 pound morons in tights" sold me too.

I will pay on that Mr Sharky ,we have our own dipshits in NZ and Oz .

Nah BB you dont seem to be one of his enablers.If he was one of ours I would find out where he lives and go around his hidey hole and kick his arse till he showed signs of recovery.