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Pick your November Strategy

Started by Mozart13 REPLIES912 VIEWS· 07 Oct 2022, 00:11
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Oct 2022, 00:11
#1
07 Oct 2022, 00:11#1

Sure we can move Willemse to 12, put Roos at 8th man. But there is no point in doing that if we continue to play one runner, hit the deck, box kick rugby. Will we have the courage to spread the ball….to have a few double wings….a few runners onto the ball, a few runs that allow the pass to float into the gap, a few wrap around moves ala Sexton. 


Will we practice the offload and encourage our forwards to look for the advantaged runner as they take contact. If we aren’t going to do those things selection is an illusion.


For our current strategy Wiese is a far better choice than Roos….perhaps that captures the choice.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Oct 2022, 03:11
#2
07 Oct 2022, 03:11#2

Mozart

I do not see any inclusion of Morne or Frans Steyn  in the proposed team - and our main problem this year was at flyhalf.    Carter proved that licking is a strategic measure - and every team in the world use box kicking as a strategic  attack strategy - but kicking has to be strategic and not BS like the 2 mentioned players produced on a regular basis.   

Under the present coaching set-up the Springboks scored more tries than they did since 2004 and until 2017 - mostly by backline players - yet you keep on talking about one element in the game - something you vigorously defended in the past.      

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Oct 2022, 04:25
#3
07 Oct 2022, 04:25#3

Oh dear it’s the Comrade come to fill our ears with his plaintive bleats:


Fillet of a fenny snake,
In the cauldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt and toe of frog,
Wool of bat and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork and blindworm's sting,
Lizard's leg and howlet's wing.
For charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.
Double,double toil and trouble;
Fire burn and couldron bubble.


Definitely tongue of dog….hahaha.



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Oct 2022, 04:43
#4
07 Oct 2022, 04:43#4

2012….12 tests…23 tries

2013 …12 tests….44 tries

2014…13 tests…36 tries

2015….11 tests….35 tries

….138 tries in 48 tests….average 2.88 tries per test for HM

2018….14 tests…36 tries

2019….12 tests….45 tries

2021 …13 tests….26 tries

2022…7 tests… 16 tries

…..123 tries in 46 tests….average 2.67 tries per test for Harrassmiss

So HM wins despite the artificial boost Harrassmiss got by playing Japan twice, Namibia,  Canada and Italy in the 2019 WC vs only Samoa and Japan in 2015. Those additional 3 minnows gave Harrassmiss 12 tries above his average… divided by 46 tests, it gave a 0.26 boost to the Harrassmiss average.

So the normalized numbers would be 2.88 tries per test for HM vs 2.41 tries per test for Harrassmiss. It’s all smoke and mirrors or more precisely smoke and minnows. Harrassmiss is almost half a try per test below HM.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Oct 2022, 05:00
#5
07 Oct 2022, 05:00#5

Vuirtually all th e toires scored in 2013 were in tests against Italy, Samoa and Scotland in the june series when there were NO single country above the number 10 ranking in SA for the Jine tests.   An excelelnt example of the BS level you use in promoting BS.    In 2021 the BRI Lions were touring SA in the mid-year tests  and the Springboks played georgia in one test.- the ret of the tests were against top-ranked teams.    Caught out again as an absolute BSter.         

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Oct 2022, 05:42
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07 Oct 2022, 05:42#6

The whole record is there for you to see moron. As usual you tried bluster and had your head handed to you. Lies, misrepresentations and pure incompetence from the Comrade. What’s new?

You have been living off this lie for a while now….I always suspected it was bs but couldn’t be bothered to do the analysis. Now I have and yes it was just another lie.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
07 Oct 2022, 13:02
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07 Oct 2022, 13:02#7

Considered the opposition, SA rugby's main priority is to keep the face. It is too late to improvize.

SA rugby will keep to their ruining others' efforts to play rugby.

As to changing the software, it will take at least two generations. Current crop is unable and the  next crop is tailored along the current one.

And SA rugby from empoverished SA have no longer the means to undertake such  a long term project.

SA rugby will keep plaguing the rugby games until it collapses.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
07 Oct 2022, 14:08
#8
07 Oct 2022, 14:08#8

100% correct Moz.....very clear to see and your stats are yet again 100% correct....shamepies for the rest, Denial is raising its head again 

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
07 Oct 2022, 15:57
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07 Oct 2022, 15:57#9

Thanks Mozart, really good points. I don't think we need that many stats to try and prove a point. We all know that the boks live off penalties via the scrum. That is why a player like Malherbe, when he can scrum, win's us penalties. The up and unders are not there to be caught, but to apply pressure on the kicker to knock it on. Rassies game plan is to feed off mistakes. This works if you have players that are dumb and can't follow advance instructions. That is why it is sad when you see a player like Pollard defend the way we play. The Pollard under Rassie and the one and Meyer are two completely different players. 

I watch Richie and Smith and both are flyhalfs that plays with ball in hand, very quick, sharp stepping and fantastically quick hands and feet to keep the defences guessing. Those two weave between the rushing forwards and know how to move the ball around. 

Where as our play is mainly off 9 by this human centipede kicking BS. I want to get rid of that law where the scrummy can have his hands on the ball. Slows the game down, these kicks are dangerous as the player in the air is venerable. It should be discouraged. 

So what strategy would I use. I don't have any fault with our forward play neither our line outs. 

I go for willemse because he is a better distributor. So rather than route one crash, I would mix the screens and allow phase play. If the 10 gets caught, then re-set and allow the 12 to be the next person. 

I would also combine kicking for the corners to make it look like we are going for a 50/22, who knows maybe we get lucky. But when they are pin back, I would use the wide channels to drive up the field, the same way NZ did to us. That requires players that can shift the ball and require great handling. 

I would also focus on breaking the defensive line off first phase. If we get scrum ball, good line out, then lets not always drive. Drop a forward from the line out and place them in the back or out wider. 

But what we saw in the Durban test where our centre and flyhallf could not even pass the ball to each other, dropping the ball or not going to hand was bloody criminal and looked like a lower league C team play. Not from player that have played 50+ test. 

We also need players that can stand up in the rush defence, hold the ball up long enough to offload the support runners.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Oct 2022, 21:08
#10
07 Oct 2022, 21:08#10

If every element of Harrassmiss’ plan can be executed, we become hard to beat. But we weren’t able to dominate the scrums and mauls against NZ…more like break even. If and when that happens we need more production from the backline.

And I completely agree, we badly need a forward runner who can break the line. Wiese staked a claim in the latest tests, but he also needs to learn how to offload. Vunipola and for that matter Vermeulen at their best did both things.

Erasmus saw the need to revive traditional Bok strengths, that’s why we won the WC. To be the best team in the world though we can’t ignore 40% of the game. Nor should focusing on these elements be mutually exclusive

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
07 Oct 2022, 22:22
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07 Oct 2022, 22:22#11

Scrums, scrums, scrums... hardly ever a strength and waaaay too often belly flopping. But we all know the player 16 gives the Blocks a free pass. They are by far the least penalised team of the past decade at tier 1 level. That says it all. 

but here's the thing... the offload... a forward that breaks the line... you don't just do one thing. The blocks can offload a lot sometimes but it is alawyas shit. You boys like Roos and willemse and Am can't connect the dots and the they can't see the opportunities. two and three man plays are the base repertoire for all players from 1 to 15. The Blocks wont ever play that way because nobody in the tight five can play that kind of way... that's what keeps the blocks back as the foundation of "attacking" rugby. That's the base template of how the players are structured across the field, the segments of phase play and how the backs integrate into the next layers of play... THIS is modern rugby... not the donkey shit you clowns talk about You fucks ignore 90% of the modern game because you dont' play at that way at all!!!! BUT here's the thing... you got a coach who was smart enough to isolate trends and find a way to exploit them to get the worst group of players to play a lot better than what they are worth individually. There's going to com ea day when you will miss Erasmus. The man is a genius and you retards are fucking it up for a game you will NEVER do successfully because you are so fucking arrogant to accept that these players are not very good. Oh, fuck no, the big yarpie cannot possibly be inferior. LIving in the fucking past. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Oct 2022, 22:29
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07 Oct 2022, 22:29#12

Wall of text incoherently rambling on...connecting dots? LMAO!!! The irony is killing me!...Ou Hangtie te, you haven't got the foggiest. 

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
07 Oct 2022, 23:33
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07 Oct 2022, 23:33#13

Fark me donkey... you don't have a fucking clue. You don't even know the fucking basics... out of your fucking depth ass hate...

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Oct 2022, 11:26
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08 Oct 2022, 11:26#14


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