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Piet Van Zyl has been snatched up by Bulls

Started by Shezza17 REPLIES407 VIEWS· 30 Jul 2013, 17:51
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
30 Jul 2013, 17:51
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30 Jul 2013, 17:51#1

 Hope the Cheetahs pull off a miracle and get Rory Kockett as a replacement. But somehow I think that's going to be very difficult with the leaches of rugby AKA French teams.

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
30 Jul 2013, 18:06
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30 Jul 2013, 18:06#2

 

That's bad news. Very bad news.

 

Kockettt would be an excellent replacement.

 

Have you heard anything about them approaching him or are you just hoping??

 

I would love it if he were back in SA.

 

 

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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
30 Jul 2013, 18:30
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30 Jul 2013, 18:30#3

 Nah there's no news on Rory Kockett (at th moment I hope!).

Only this article has some clue on Rory's thoughts on coming back to SA and playing test Rugby whether its for SA or for France!

 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jul 2013, 18:43
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30 Jul 2013, 18:43#4
Not surprised at all - Vermaak is leaving and Hougaard malfunctioning - so the Bulls needs a scrummie.
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
30 Jul 2013, 18:52
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30 Jul 2013, 18:52#5

Can't link article as it collides with the website format :S

Mike, I have a funny feeling that Van Zyl will fail at the Bulls. They need their scrummie's to kick and judging by the Brumbies  game Van Zyl is no better than Hougaard, but he still has attacking nouse, for now...

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jul 2013, 19:01
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30 Jul 2013, 19:01#6
Shezza You may well be right - you know. I sometimes think there is problem in positional coaching by the Bulls and that is the misfortune affecting Hougaard. Remember Mattfield is the Bulls backline coach and Hougaard 9the elder) their kicking coach - whist their attack coach is Van Graan. Hougaard should get specialized coaching by experts - it may help him. Best thing he could do would be to move to the Cheetahs and play together with decent loosies - and you will see a major change - or ao I believe.
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
30 Jul 2013, 19:06
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30 Jul 2013, 19:06#7

 Good thing Reinach is showing promise, gunning for him for a Bok test cap come RC!

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oimateyPro1,870 posts
30 Jul 2013, 20:43
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30 Jul 2013, 20:43#8

 Appears that Hougaard is open to a different position than scrummie - see here

 

CleanCut - agree on Kockott, but he resigned with Castres last month. Decent kicker, so would be a good handcuff.  Think he was very unlucky not to get capped by the Boks.

 

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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
30 Jul 2013, 21:05
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30 Jul 2013, 21:05#9

 I think that Hougaard's thought process may be if that if he gets any sort of form whether that be wing then he'll be able to convert that to form while playing Scrummie. Or he could just see the opportunity to take the Bulls wing as his own, then further on take the gap at Bok wing!

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Jul 2013, 00:31
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31 Jul 2013, 00:31#10
And so the Hougaard experiment comes to it's logical conclusion.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
31 Jul 2013, 00:41
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31 Jul 2013, 00:41#11

I really do not get what the issue is with Hougaard at 9, he has been fine all S15, no better or worse than any of the other 9's. Makes perfect sense to sign v/Zyl given Vermaaks departure.

 

Hougaard just needs to rediscover his attacking mojo and all will be well. I dont want to see him on the wing as he is no wings backside, but then again nor is useless Basson, who's only strength is competing in the air. The lad is not physical enough for a test wing, not even close

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Jul 2013, 01:26
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31 Jul 2013, 01:26#12
Dave Hougaard is the same height and within a few lbs of Habana's weight. He is plenty fast, and as we saw in his early tests.....a great stepper. I know you don't agree, but I'm convinced his best test interludes have been on the wing. If he was back there to stay I think there is a chance he could recover his former form, which as we saw against Wales in the RWC, included a dangerous roving role. - Basson by contrast simply doesn't have the upper body strength for test rugby....especially given he insists on tackling high.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
31 Jul 2013, 02:06
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31 Jul 2013, 02:06#13

I dont recall Hougaard ever making much of an impact on the wing. I do recall some sublime breaks from 9. I just cannot begin to believe that a player can lose the art of playing 9 having played there all his life.

 

I concede he is not the attacking 9 we saw a year or so ago, but injuries have played a part in that as have incompatible gameplans. Its not like he has been poor in his last few outings, he has been solid, if he had been poor, Vermaak would have been starting ahead of him.

 

I really do not get the issue that some have with him. For me his service has been great, the rest of his game will follow. The art is investing and trusting in his talents. We need him sparking at 9, not wasted out of position on the wing. The guy is only 24 or 25, he can't have lost it already.

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
31 Jul 2013, 09:56
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31 Jul 2013, 09:56#14

am odd move cos i think piet van zyl will be the No2 halfback at the bulls behind hougaard. cant help but think that he would get more game time in 2014 if he stayed with the cheetahs.

the article which oimatey posted a link too dosent reall get into too much detail reagrding hougaards change of attitude in being a hlafback and galfback only, so i wouldnt hold too much stake in it just yet, cos i cant see hougaard not being the incumbent 9. hougaard has played rather well for the 2013 season, still room for improvement, but a decent season none the less.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Jul 2013, 12:25
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31 Jul 2013, 12:25#15

Very annoying to see Van Zyl going to bulle. The bulls  live off the talent developed by other provinces. I cant see how Van Zyl will improve as a player there. Greedy bulle have done it again.

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BuzzClub Pro175 posts
31 Jul 2013, 14:22
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31 Jul 2013, 14:22#16

I get a distinct feeling that Beeno1 has a long white cane and dark glasses, From what i read he is a western Province fan, albeit a rather bias one. Turning a blind eye to his own Unions shopping list. It makes interesting reading, alot of products from up north.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
31 Jul 2013, 15:34
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31 Jul 2013, 15:34#17
Spot on Sas, Hougaard has been good the S15 and has struggled to gain momentum given two interruptions with injury. He is doing the basics well, in fact better than any other 9 in the country. I loved his crisp service in the semi to Morne, it was spot on. Give him more time to find his mojo and we will have Hougaard back to his best. He is the only 9 in SA that poses an attacking threat with ball in hand. On song, he is second to none. At 25, he is yet to hit his prime. If I was the Bok coach, I'd be instructing him to believe in himself, secure in the knowledge he is my number 1 and to trust his instincts on attack, forget the worthless box kicks and just get on with his natural game. Hougaard looks far too measured when he is playing these days as he is under pressure to be the Hougaard of old. Give him the freedom to express himself
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Jul 2013, 18:18
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31 Jul 2013, 18:18#18
Saffex Meyer was fully justified to move Hougaard away from scrummie - despite what you say, he just did not make the grade. However, due to the latest operation he is likely to be out for the year - so e will have to wait for the Super 15 next year to see how he shapes up. I agree with Mozart and other critics though -his performance this year was not really good enough - even though I accept that injuries could have affected the said performances - to merit inclusion in the test squad and hope for better next year. If he shapes up and prove himself during that series - there would be no problem standing n his way. One thing is clear to me - we need a scrummie badly - Pienaar this year was not really up to standard - both for Ulster and for the Springboks - and we badly need a younger replacement.
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