MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Dec 2018, 15:19#6
Yep and Luke Watson won player's player of the year. This is exactly what I would have predicted, hype has it's consequences. Fools believe it. But tell me Carbuncle .....did he also have 'huge upper body strength'?
LMAOFY&Y!
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Dec 2018, 15:56#9
Luke Watson was rabidly supported by Urinal and Dave among others....and massively hyped by the same media that is now hyping Stephanie.
He was undoubtedly better this year....but Rassie also assigned him as hard yards runner and first tackler. So he was very apparent and constantly focused on by the cameras.
He did his defensive duties competently, but no more competently than Mostert....and never in open field. As a runner he was secure, but largely toothless and died with the ball almost every time. His lineout work was at best competent and his lineout captaincy when Marx was imploding, was naive.
After almost 5 years Stephanie is finally an international player as he gets to his best years.....but he remains an awkward flank and an unconvincing lock.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Dec 2018, 15:58#10
See there you go Carbuncle thought Watson was the best 6 in the country....hype gets them every time.
Hence he got the award.....nothing I can do can ever change that you say......hmmm....read this:
'Due to his good form in 2006, Watson was nominated for awards as the Players' Player of the Year, Super 14 Player of the Year, and Currie Cup Player of the Year. Rugby journalist Mark Keohane reported that on the morning of Monday 30 October 2006 Watson had been confirmed as the winner. But the decision was overturned later the same day and awarded to Free State loose forward Kabamba Floors. Players' Association chair Piet Heymans said that Floors had won by 8 votes when voting closed at 5pm on Monday. Heymans' assertion was placed in doubt when SARU revealed that the vote had actually been tied, and that SARU president Oregan Hoskins had cast the deciding vote in favour of Floors to break the deadlock.'
You guys who never check their facts are such easy pickings.....beaten by that rugby giant Kabama Floors.....hahahaha. Watson lived off the turnover ball created for him by the massive work of Schalk Burger.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Dec 2018, 16:05#12
Are your older relatives still smelling Carbuncle?
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Dec 2018, 16:48#15
So that little bawling episode did it for you?
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Dec 2018, 20:10#17
Stephanie 44 tests/23 wins/52% win ratio....clearly no guarantee of a great Bok record.
Over the same period of time since Stephanie played his first test....the Springbok record without Stephanie.....12 wins/7 losses for a win ratio of 63%.
There is zero non subjective evidence that Stephanie adds anything to the Bok cause, a flank who does some of the work our locks would otherwise do....thus depressing their stats.
Case closed.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Dec 2018, 22:05#20
'Balls' ........ag no not that again, control yourself man
So individuals make no difference......tell that to Retallik who enabled the AB win over England....to O'Mahony who kept Ireland in the game against NZ, playing in roles Stephanie had during the season.
Only thing definitive I can remember Stephanie doing is conceding the penalty that got NZ back into the game in Pretoria. The rest just a bunch of process rugby.
When you have large samples ....like 64 tests....you should be able to discern trends provided participation isn't subjest to undue bias. Not the case with Stephanie.
It looks like he is a modestly negative factor.....those are the facts.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Dec 2018, 00:52#22
Now there's a lie..but we have exposed it completely already.....no he made no difference to the maul at all. He did , however get penalized against the ABs for lifting and then got Koch penalized by falling in front of him and not protecting the ball. Two penalties that lost the test.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Dec 2018, 07:15#24
Just watched the Wales test again....apart from his foot in touch to negate the try, he spills the ball on the Wales 5 metre line....and gets turned at minute 75 to kill our final chance. So many toothless, dead end runs.....four or five chances to make the turnover but pushed off the ball....the easy metres round his side of the scrum.....so much loosie work not done while he swans in the backline.....three turnovers conceded and two penalties.
The man is a slight lock, playing him at 7 is costing us every game.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Dec 2018, 16:49#26
No hatred of the player, but an intense dislike of the South African tendency to pick favourites and then see no wrong in the anointed. So I act as a counter balance.
Stephanie had a better season, he did some good things....but he was not a match winner, just an average member of the team, who was a big part of our losses to the ABs, England at Twickenham and Wales.
RORooinek
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RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
13 Dec 2018, 17:07#27
". . . the South African tendency to pick favourites and then see no wrong in the anointed. So I act as a counter balance."
What a conceited thing to say . . . especially from someone who can never see the wrong in his anointed Eben Etzebeth who is the most hyped up player in SA rugby history!
Nice try Moffie but we all know why you hate Pieter-Steph with a passion bordering on the obsessive . . . it's because you backed the wrong horse and Pieter-Steph has outplayed your darling Eben in every test match they've ever played together.
That's the truth.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Dec 2018, 18:34#29
Not conceited, what I say wont make a fig of difference. It's just one of thousands of opinions. As for Etzebeth vs Stephanie, I don't believe any international coach will pick Stephanie as their first choice lock over Etzebeth. You simply don't see what he does....just as you never understood Burger, who is still playing great rugby for Sarazens.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Dec 2018, 18:40#30
Now let's see, how many emotional words are there in that posting of your's Gomtok:
'Fault, favourites, pathetic hatred,desperately, exonerate, faltering, the useless, worthless, process (now an emotional word), discredit, pet hate, has beens, never-has.beens, Bster, egg mountain.'
Quite a 'queer' effort.
RORooinek
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RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
13 Dec 2018, 20:12#32
It's a conceited, hypocritical statement made by a self-important, stupid and childish little man.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Dec 2018, 22:15#33
Gosh....'conceited, self important, stupid and childish'. Bad news Gomtok, Startung has your number for insults in one, albeit clumsy, sentence.
Hilarious when the Mongs with no university education call PhDs stupid. LMAOFY!
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Dec 2018, 01:15#35
'Si I studied'....sure Gomtok, it sure sounds like it.