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FO
ForeverArizonaClub Pro580 posts
31 Aug 2014, 20:51
#1
31 Aug 2014, 20:51#1

Can some one please bring some stats to compare Damien de Allende and Malikai Fekitoa

upon there Super rugby performances just so we can get a clear picture of what is expected of a genuine Outside centre. And don't come talk bullshit about the fact that we can not comp[are these two because one is actually and inside centre. and one is actually an outside centre.Currently employed by HM de Allende is our answer at 13.So lets have it let us see who is the better player so we can get a clear answer based on statistics of who is the real McCoy.


Cause honestly in my opinion Damien (s h it ba g) de Allende has done f u c k  all to this date in that jersey.I know we have a shortage of talent in the midfield but JJ Engelbrecht was a much better bet for me then this  f u c k I n g cart horse.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Aug 2014, 21:23
#2
31 Aug 2014, 21:23#2
 FA  
There is a problem though Fekitoa played mostly at outside center - while DE Allende played at inside center and wing.   That makes compariisons rther inconsequential in Super 15.   
Although statistics are useful to determine trends in performances and one match is not the Alpha and Omega of test performnces - there were one test where they both played at outside center and it is those two tests where compaisons can be made - but those may be unreliable as a total indicator:-
Fekitoa0/000/1/52500014/00/010/0
de Allende0/001/2/53311035/10/000/0
I took the second Argentina test as the indicator in this case.   
The reason why it is very difficult to compare those two players is because Fekitoa has played all his games for the Highlanders at 13 - while De Allende has had his firast game in that position since school years against Argentina in the first test
There are bot positives and negatives attached to  De Allende's performances.  Hiis ball carries were strong and he did cover more terriotiry than Fekitoa did.   However, because there were inadequate ball protection by the Springboks in tackles on him there were three tuurnovers in possession afterr De Allende was tackled.   
Basically - despite all the shouting and screaming on this site -  De Allende did not have performance as bad as some of the posters oin this site has made it out to be in either of the tests he played in.   There is obviously room for improvement - but that is certainly going to come with more experience playing at 13.     

FO
ForeverArizonaClub Pro580 posts
31 Aug 2014, 22:08
#3
31 Aug 2014, 22:08#3
 I said don't come and compare them the fact remains is that currently he is the Springbok 13 and will most likely face Fekitoa on the field.So I wane know does this carthorse stand a chance against the likes of Fekitoa because let me say this I think de Allende is out of his depth by a few sea miles LOLOLOLOL
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Aug 2014, 23:03
#4
31 Aug 2014, 23:03#4
 FA please try and not be too daft. The guy is new to test rugby and is sett ling in. He has huge potential and will be far better than JJ who is so obviously a wing.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Aug 2014, 23:10
#5
31 Aug 2014, 23:10#5
  FA
Bew de\finitely is not a carthorse - has played omn the wing at times and that is not the position foor a carthorse.   You think - that really is a huge surprise.  
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Aug 2014, 23:47
#6
31 Aug 2014, 23:47#6
 LOLOLOLOLO
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Aug 2014, 23:49
#7
31 Aug 2014, 23:49#7
De Allende's defensive positioning already cost us a try against the. Bargies. It's not looking good.  
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Sept 2014, 00:36
#8
01 Sept 2014, 00:36#8
 Mozart
You are indeed a liar.   What try are  you rtalking about - the one where De Villiers went out of line?   Stop talking KAK.
FO
ForeverArizonaClub Pro580 posts
01 Sept 2014, 01:36
#9
01 Sept 2014, 01:36#9
 Oh Mike dont you worry,there is nothing what so ever wrong with my thinking capacity. I think about all those tries that Fekitoa score so lavishly in both the super rugby season.I think about all those defenders beaten and I think about all those running meters and I think about how Fekitoa is also new at test level but my word he is miles ahead of Carthorse de Allende. How many tries did Carthorse score this season?How was he really more outstanding then any other 13 in South Africa?Lets be honest the only 13 that looked good to me was Siburu Sithole.but he will develop and with time we will see.By no means am I earmarking him just for the record.But Carthorse has done nothing impressive for me.Did he score a try????Did he put in a Pieter Muller style tackle?????Is his vision that far more advanced then Fekitoas? Thing is if this was the case then we all would be talking about how good he was and all his achievements to date.But there is nothing to talk about....I know Fourie is old,but my word that try he scored at Twickers where he chased a kick from F Steyn and knocked Sacky of the ball and pushed Armitage around like a rag doll...Now c'mon,will Carthorse do anything like that??? Yeah I think a lot.I think about how Fourie tackled Nonu till his face bled.I think about all the tries he scored and I think about his passion.Now I see a misplaced out-of-depth cart horse that wont achieve much.Mark my words.That you can take to the bank.
FO
ForeverArizonaClub Pro580 posts
01 Sept 2014, 01:38
#10
01 Sept 2014, 01:38#10
 Beeno...try not to be to passive.Springbok places are not a luxury.This kid needs to wake up fast or he is going to be schooled by Fekitoa on how to be a super star.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Sept 2014, 01:43
#11
01 Sept 2014, 01:43#11
Look at the Bargie left wing try. Up comes our defensive line. But instead of de Allende being a pace ahead of Jean to close off the outside...he is two frigging paces behind. Which gives the Bargies all the space they need to work the left wing in at the corner. Pathetic defensive positioning.  
FO
ForeverArizonaClub Pro580 posts
01 Sept 2014, 01:46
#12
01 Sept 2014, 01:46#12
 What a pure Carthorse move....How did HM ever think him a good selection option. Save us now please!?!?!?!?
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Sept 2014, 01:53
#13
01 Sept 2014, 01:53#13
 .Mozart
You are impossible - Jean went out of limne there and you want DE Allende to be ahead of him - what a load of crap- that is typical Mozart BS.   The ,mmianreason why a person can never believe what you write about performances on this site.    
Juast as an aside - if De Allende was ahead of De Villiers - you would have blamed him for the try being scored as well.   What a joke!!!!!!!!    
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Sept 2014, 01:53
#14
01 Sept 2014, 01:53#14
 .Mozart
You are impossible - Jean went out of limne there and you want DE Allende to be ahead of him - what a load of crap- that is typical Mozart BS.   The ,mmianreason why a person can never believe what you write about performances on this site.    
Juast as an aside - if De Allende was ahead of De Villiers - you would have blamed him for the try being scored as well.   What a joke!!!!!!!!    
FO
ForeverArizonaClub Pro580 posts
01 Sept 2014, 02:00
#15
01 Sept 2014, 02:00#15
 Carthorse is the real joke.What a flop by Meyer.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Sept 2014, 04:25
#16
01 Sept 2014, 04:25#16
Jean jumped out of line and so did Hendricks....only de Allende was in a line of his own...do they make them any dumber?  
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
01 Sept 2014, 04:57
#17
01 Sept 2014, 04:57#17
I think Delande should move to 12 with Jean at 13. 
I think with Morne starting their is going to more familiarity in the backline, so it is worth trying Delande at 12. 
When Jean set up the try for Hendriks, it looked like he was standing in the outside centre position. 
JE
JeromeVClub Pro492 posts
01 Sept 2014, 14:14
#18
01 Sept 2014, 14:14#18

 I'm a fan of De Allende although from what I observed is he hasn't had the best of matches in his starting tests. Given the fact that he is still a new recruit in the bok setup I wouldn't be too critical of his performance than others. Meyer should give him time to adjust to the different requirements/ Game plan and then I think he will improve in the latter stage. Furthermore having De Villiers on the inside doesn't make it any easier for him. De Villiers wasn't at his usual standard, there is no doubt the backline was better in the June tests with Serfontein at 12, hence why I'd rather prefer the combo of Serfontein at 12 and De Allende at 13. 

What also shouldn't be ignored is that De Allende has been selected due to his impressive performances in the past Super 15 matches/ currie cup where he was better than any other 13 in SA, so I wouldn't say he does not deserve the starting spot. It is obvious that he's got potential and that he can fulfilled the 13 role with his abilities.  

 

FO
ForeverArizonaClub Pro580 posts
01 Sept 2014, 23:29
#19
01 Sept 2014, 23:29#19

 Previously players would burst on to the scene with heaps of talent.Let us look at a few examples.Willy le Roux the most recent.For about two years before he was selected one could easily tell that he will be a big player in the Bok team.Rightly so.Before that Bryan Habana.Scroed so many tries in the super rugby seasons that not the selecting him would have been career suicide for any coach.Stefan Terblanche,another that had a great season scoring tries all over the shop in super rugby,Paulse,Andre Joubert....


What I am saying is everyone knew these players were excellent.Now looking at Fekitoa and his accomplishments is de Allende in the same calibre???I can assure you he is not.


I did not see anything special from Carthorse de Allende in the super rugby season.Did he break lines and run past many defenders to set up tries and was he talked about all the time on every chance given by sports pundints.NO!!!!


Carthorse de Allende is selected because honestly there is no one better at the moment.Who else would be play in 13???


and again I say this rubbish about he is actually an inside centre in not good enough.STEP UP OR STEP ASIDE!!!!!The Boks needs people that are willing to take ownership of a jersey not F$%£k about and hope for the best.

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