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Players who ruined their reputations in Super 15 in 2013

Started by clevermike10 REPLIES199 VIEWS· 06 Jan 2014, 12:56
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Jan 2014, 12:56
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06 Jan 2014, 12:56#1

There are a few players who have failed in Super 15 last year and who have a mountain to climb this year in getting back to top class form.


Jaco Taute


Virtually got no playing time because of the poor performance of Jantjies and he will have to start afresh this year to prove that he belongs in top cass rugby.   Was out injured for the rest of the year.


Francois Steyn


Grossly overweight, slow and not really match fit 2013 was a bad year for him.  Also out with injury - likely as a result of physical condition.   He will have to sharpen up by about 100% or he will go farming sooner than he expected. 

 

Francois Hougaard 


Something has gone wrong in this guy's top storey.   He was putrid as a scrummie in 2012 and showed no improvement in 2013 - besides the fact that he was also injured for a substantial number of matches.   If there is not a huge improvement in performance - Piet van Zyl would be the Bulls first-choice scrummie.


I expect no improvement in performances in Super 15 in respect of the normal under-performers - namely amongst others  Jantjies and Alberts,  

 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jan 2014, 14:40
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06 Jan 2014, 14:40#2
Yawn  
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
06 Jan 2014, 15:23
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06 Jan 2014, 15:23#3
 Brand O'Connor, Beale, Slade
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Jan 2014, 17:13
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06 Jan 2014, 17:13#4
 ou maaaikie can one truly say a player has failed when he got virtually no playing time (Taute)You harp on about Frans - the guy was injured and couldnt run and train! Suspend your judgement un til we see what Jake gets out of him. 
Hogaard has head problems and the problem of a bulls team looking for another Du Preez. Van Zyl would progress better playing for the Cheetahs?
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jan 2014, 17:38
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06 Jan 2014, 17:38#5
Jordaan, Lambie (big time), Mvovo, Jantjies (big time), Daniels, Deysel, Rhule, Taute, Hougaard, Greyling come to mind.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Jan 2014, 17:56
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06 Jan 2014, 17:56#6
 Jantjies and hougaard were poor. With Rhule it was a case of being rediculously overrated. Still a young player but can he cut it with the big boys. 
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sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
06 Jan 2014, 18:03
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06 Jan 2014, 18:03#7
Jaco "creatine Crashball" Taute, only confirmed that he is a one dimensional selfish player that allways tries to take on the whole team by himself. 
Jantjies confirmed that he is a Curry Cup player, with a few good touches at the higher level. He is predictable once you get to know his limited game.
Lambie was a basket case for much of the SuperXV and the 2 best back line performances by the Sharks were when he did not play at 10.
Hougaard was hopeless. Although I just think he lost some form, and will get back into the picture at some point. His Bok performances in 2012 were mostly poor as a result of his clearance at the rucks. Although the Boks have improved vastly at the rucks, and he would now offer the Boks a good impact player at 9 where he could make breaks around the rucks from quick ball. He will never offer much as a kicking Scrumhalf, but he does have a Joost style of play when given quick ball from the Ruck.

Fat Steyn hogged every ball like it was his last meal. He did improve before getting injured as he got fitter and moved to number 13. 
Kankowski was utter crap after returning from Japan. He was dropped from the squad. 
Deysel proved he is just a brainless brute that is just an injury waiting to happen.
Wee Daniels should have been a backline player, and unless his pack is dominating he is of no effect. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Jan 2014, 18:33
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06 Jan 2014, 18:33#8

 Mozart


I did not try and make a list of all players - but only those who was in the Sptringbok team.  Of those the worst cases were mentioned, but it is obviously not a full list.  To the list of Springboks should be added De Jongh (hopeless in defence).


Your attack on Lambie is not justified at all.  They repeat-showed a lot of matches of the past year during the past month and in looking carefully at his performances he was noy bad at all and the haring was carried in by the Morne Steyn cronies who tried to justify the dumb selection of Steyn.      


   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jan 2014, 19:17
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06 Jan 2014, 19:17#9
Look Mike, it's very simple, I did the numbers for you before.....Morne beat more defenders, gained more metres and made more breaks than Lambie in the S15. And he controlled games way better. It's not a debate. Lambie utterly failed to impose himself at 10.... He had no model for success. Going forward there is a good chance history will repeat itself.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Jan 2014, 22:40
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06 Jan 2014, 22:40#10

 Mozart


You did not prove anything by your garbage.   Morne made more meters - but did not beat more defenders.   He never made a line break and that is a fact.  The only thing he did better was kicking at goal.  He also caused the Bulls to lose the Semi- where he failed badly.  


Does it not enter your prejudiced mind that Morne is second grade as a flyhalf - Stade Francais  found that out quickly enough.


Watching the game again Lambue did a hell of a lot more positive things than you will ever admit.         

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2014, 00:54
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07 Jan 2014, 00:54#11
There you go again....we are having a civilized debate and you throw in  insults like "garbage" and "prejudiced". And you are dead wrong....I have posted all the details in a dedicated string on Lambie.
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