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Please note Oaks the Mighty Stormers have the best loose forwards

Started by Beeno18 REPLIES619 VIEWS· 09 Feb 2018, 13:10
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Feb 2018, 13:10
#1
09 Feb 2018, 13:10#1

While the Lions blowhards like wee cc sound off and others boast about the shaks I see no comment about this:

BULLS

Among many intriguing calls, John Mitchell has placed firm confidence in versatile flank/eighth-man Nic de Jager, 25, to be the real deal for the Bulls this year, as he has been awarded the co-captaincy (with centre Burger Odendaal).

The coach must see something in him, as they say, both in leadership and playing calibre, because the former Saracens man has hitherto played little regular Super Rugby, although he skippered the Currie Cup side for part of 2017.

Stripped of Arno Botha and Jacques Potgieter this year (though both were injury-jinxed so much at Loftus anyway), it’s a fair sacrifice in loose forward experience, but Mitchell’s whole theme is gradual revival and his cupboard looks geared toward that - even as there seems no true world-beater at his disposal in the department right now.

A big point of interest will be to see whether fetcher Roelof Smit, after a lengthy layoff, finds the sort of form that earned him a 2016 Bok appearance against the Barbarians.

Smit excelling as a pilferer and astute linker would give the Bulls someone in the mould of Deon Stegmann, a yeoman (if penalty-prone?) servant at No 6 for many years in Pretoria, but nowadays plying his twilight-years trade in the less stressful landscape of Japan.

There’ll be sufficient physicality from big units like Hanro Liebenberg and Jannes Kirsten, but expect also some athletic exploits from men like Tim Agaba and Themba Bholi as Mitchell coaxes some his charges into trying to sidestep or out-sprint opponents rather than crudely mow them down in time-honoured, old Bulls style.

If the Bulls do find the right blend between guile and grunt at loose forward during the campaign, I might feel more inclined to hike the unremarkable, initial rating provided directly below ...

Loose forward pool of talent rating: 5/10

LIONS

Look, the Lions still have two-thirds of the potent, well-balanced loosie combo they boasted when big, rugged Ruan Ackermann (now Gloucester) remained their blind-sider and occasional eighth-man last year.

Still only 22, he’s a big loss to the Jo’burgers, but the heartening return of captain Warren Whiteley in time for the start of the new campaign counter-balances that quite nicely.

Whiteley will be a man on a mission, considering that he was just settling promisingly into the Springbok leadership saddle in the middle of last year before he was cruelly side-lined for many months.

The intelligence and skill set he brings at No 8 will be invaluable, and it won’t be long (March, reportedly) before another standout Gautenger at loose forward, Jaco Kriel, is back to maraud in tandem with him.

That still leaves, of course, the issue of plugging No 7, where ideally someone with a generous physique would serve as a suitable foil for mobile Whiteley and Kriel.

Cyle Brink, 24, is a fine talent with best years possibly still ahead of him, and puts his body on the line even if he isn’t quite in the Ackermann league for cranking the needle up on the bathroom scale.

Another option is long-serving Robert Kruger, who has a lock’s build but is equally at home on the side of the scrum.

For additional stocks in a more tearaway capacity, remember, the Lions can boast Kwagga Smith – huge interest countrywide in how he fares, now fully Sevens-free - plus young Len Massyn, who doubles as an open-sider and No 8, and another flair-oozing tyro whose name is worth memorising: Hacjivah Dayimani.

Loose forward pool of talent rating: 6.5/10

SHARKS

The Kings Park outfit have surrendered two proven, gnarly blindside-geared flankers - Jean Deysel and versatile Etienne Oosthuizen - to northern climes this year.

But if that’s the down side, the “up” one is that they continue to look comfortably healthy enough when it comes to broad loosie stocks for the long Super Rugby slog.

It’s an agreeable blend of youth and experience, too.

Competitors like untiring, 32-year-old Keegan Daniel (who knows and fits into the Sharks culture better than most), Philip van der Walt and Tera Mtembu combine natural leadership qualities with their rugby attributes -- especially useful when you go on tour.

But the up-and-coming arsenal isn’t exactly shabby, either: just for starters, it shouldn’t be too long before those barnstorming Bok twins, Jean-Luc and Dan du Preez, are reunited in the Sharks starting line-up (Jean-Luc is on the mend from an ankle injury, and expected back late next month).

But remember also that former Paarl Gym and SA under-20 star Jacques Vermeulen was finally starting to show signs of his fullest worth at first-class level last season, and another option for coach Robert du Preez is Tyler Paul being drafted into a flank berth.

Just turned 23, Paul, born in Duiwelskloof but educated in the Eastern Cape, cut his senior teeth with the Kings, but was a shrewd acquisition for the Sharks last year: whether at loosie or in the second row, you can generally expect an urgent, full-blooded shift from him and this could be his “big break” year.

Loose forward pool of talent rating: 6.5/10

STORMERS

Several of them haven’t quite “arrived” at Super Rugby level yet ... but that’s also what makes the current crop of loosies at Newlands so exciting, really.

At a rough guess, Robbie Fleck and his lieutenants will have available up to nine players (effectively three sets of them) capable of cutting it in the competition, a satisfying scenario given the ever-present likelihood of injuries both serious and short-term.

The most senior personnel, and early favourites for prime starting slots, are Springboks Siya Kolisi, the franchise leader who made such heartening strides in the 2017 Test year despite the broader green-and-gold gloom, and Nizaam Carr.

Cerebral eighth-man (or sometimes open-sider) Carr comes off an educative, clearly highly-valued stint with Wasps in the English Premiership, and at 26 it is far from a fait accompli that his own tally of Bok caps has come to a grinding halt.

He will have to be managed carefully, considering his almost non-existent off-season, but the Stormers are pretty good at that and, as mentioned, depth is hardly a drawback.

Other attractive No 8 options include the tearaway Sikhumbuzo Notshe - he doesn’t seem fully aware yet of how good he could be, mind - and Juarno “Trokkie” Augustus, the young wrecking ball from the recent SA under-20 ranks who begins on the crocked list, alas.

But the Capetonian cupboard is also brimful with promising flanks, some of them comfortable on either side.

Fit-again Steph de Wit (ex-Lions) will challenge for the stealing chore, and even bigger things are anticipated – albeit perhaps on the blind-side - of Upington-born Cobus Wiese who brings some “attitude”; useful with card-prone hard man Rynhardt Elstadt gone.

Kobus van Dyk, 23, and Jaco Coetzee, 21, are others whose stars should keep rising, whilst bear in mind also that Bok lock Pieter-Steph du Toit offers increasingly good credentials, should the need ever arise, at No 7.

Loose forward pool of talent rating: 7/10

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Koos KombuisClub Pro409 posts
09 Feb 2018, 13:56
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09 Feb 2018, 13:56#2
The Stormers have a better loose trio than Whiteley/Kriel/Kwagga?
Let's hear it then.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Feb 2018, 14:22
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09 Feb 2018, 14:22#3

Beeno

Do you really believe the hogwash in the above article?   He makes a big song and dance about Kolisi and Carr - yet the best three loosies are in fact Van Dyk, Wiese and Augustus,   Lets go back to last years performances.   Carr was sub-par in all games he played in and Kolisi was on and off in most games.   Neither of those two are factors in ball protection and recovery.

I like performers - not reputation players with a dubious reputation record in any event,

All of the Sharks, Bulls and Lions have better performance records than Carr and Kolisi - so lets leave it there.    


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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
09 Feb 2018, 15:48
#4
09 Feb 2018, 15:48#4

Haaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaaa!!

BeanDip has had a little too much broccoli again. My dear Beeno ... that stuff is toxic ... it causes all your innards to rust. Get a little protein in. It'll help clear up your confusion and put a little lead in your pencil. 

We are going to miss Ruan Ackermann ... and with Jaco still out injured, we'll probably see Kwagga starting at 6.

I see the Lions are rated as our top team. Not sure I agree with that. We've lost a lot of talent. I'd be happy with a mid table position this season. Can't see us doing much better than that.

BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
09 Feb 2018, 18:25
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09 Feb 2018, 18:25#5

...Bean Brain sad to hear about the water shortage hitting Capetown...you can tell by the delirious ramblings of some of the residents that chronic dehydration is setting in...

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Feb 2018, 22:45
#6
09 Feb 2018, 22:45#6

Oaks with Kolisi at 6 and Steph at 7 we have two of the three Bok lose forwards.  The other players are none to shabby.

Seems like the oaks are all at sea as usual.

Kwagga should be played center along with Rohan. Happy to help out the confused Lions.

Brycy the day zero story has been postponed to late May and by then we are n the wet season. II am getting all my drinking water from a spring and regret not doing this before as ts excellent water. As usual ou Brycy needs correction as his assumptions about Beeno once more are proving full of leaks.

That jelly baby wee cc appears to be throwing ion the towel already. Settling for mid table result. Come on cc  man up a tad oak!

Poor ou maaaike rather makes my point by claiming our reserve loosies are better than Bok Carr and Kolisi. You can be an unwitting help at time ou maaikie. Wonder how Notche will go this season. Should be better if he has been working hard.

We do of course need that man of steel Eben back ASAP to add to the terrorizing of the wee kiwis.

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
09 Feb 2018, 23:41
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09 Feb 2018, 23:41#7

...Bean Brain if you get real thirsty and being so close to the south pole, you could always get the SA Navy to tow an iceberg up from Antarctica for you to drink...that's jenius...



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3ku1Pro2,580 posts
10 Feb 2018, 01:04
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10 Feb 2018, 01:04#8

We all know the best loose forwaard combination of the comp are from the Canes. Shields, Savea, Fafita .

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Feb 2018, 14:16
#9
10 Feb 2018, 14:16#9

It appear 3 IQ thinks nz makes up the entire rugby world. No 3 IQ we all don't think that at all. Hahahahahahaha

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