Plum should apologize on site for his Anti-Erasmus and Springboks campaign

This thread is based not on t he dfiction he started before the Rugb championship in which he forecasted that the Springboks would lose the following matches:-

1. both tests against the AB's;
2. the test against against France; and
3. the est against reland.

So out of 4 tests played he was wrong by 75% based ont he fct of playe selection by Erasmus.

The same applie to Mozart - whose hatred of Erasmus was never based on a dreamed-up fact he knows nothing factual about. Nobody knew until recently on what caused his petty hatred of Erasmu ever since 2018. He recently admitted it stems from an incident in 2007 - when the under pressure White brought him into the coaching set-up in 2007. After a disastrous history in 2006 White was on the point of being dismissed in 2006 and his only reason for not being sacked was he imminent 2007 RWC. Erasmus was roped in to be part of the 2007 RWC caoching set-up. However, Whte since 2007 proved that he ws a coach who never listen toa nybody and has his won concept of coaching . It invovled a system that real coaching depends entiey about what White himself hinks and in his career since 2007 he was known for being totally dicttorial as a coach. No assistat coach was ever listened to by White and as was proved in subsequent jobs White was an impossibl to wirk with leading to especially his conduct int hat regard,

Because of that tendency - without speaking out about it left the coaching set-up in 2007 in a situation where his rpesnnece wa sof zero value, Erasmus never mentioned publicl why he left the coaching set-up, What came out subsequently in his coaching career was that -

1. conmfirmed that White became a coach disliked by the Springbok players in 2007 - comfirmed by playes like Smit and Matfield - who publicly stated it clearly in public and confirmed that White never based his coaching on proepr player mangeent with no game palns at all;
2. White was in 2014 fired afer a coaching and player "revolt" against White; and
3. A similar situation int ehc ase o the Bulls this year.

In all the above cases it led to White's dismisals after the 2007 2007 RWC - in 2014 by the Sharks - in 2025 by the Bulls, In all cases he situation was the same and in the case of Erasmus it was obviusly based on the fact that Erasmus saw no reason for him havoing in rality no role o play in any capacity in the 2007 coching set-up. Erasmus never menioned it in subsequent comments aa to why he left the White coaching set-up in 2007 - but that was enough for Mozart to start spreading unlimited BS about Erasmus on this site, Based on sunsequent evidence in the case of especially the case the Sharks and the Bulls - where aasistant coaches had zero roles to play and it became clear why Erasmus left the coaching set-up in 2007.

Times to stop the site BS is clear, When it come to critcism of Erasmus and the Springboks is justified it should be based on real evidence and not BS.

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Matfield speaks out: After Tonga took an early lead, Matfield, along with several other key players, was brought off the bench to help turn the tide. Following the match, Matfield spoke to BokSquad, stating that he and other senior players had previously discussed whether some of them should have been in the starting lineup.

Public support: As the captain, John Smit publicly supported his coach, Jake White, during the 2007 World Cup.

Team unity: Smit played a key role in unifying the team and accepted White's decisions, despite any potential disagreements.

/// So Mattfield was sour for being benched, vs Tonga, shame. And John Smit, never spoke out against White.

Which Player/ Coaching revolt happened in 2014, against White?

I could not find any prove of that on the internet.

Bending the truth again, Hey uncle BS? :)

Mike, I'm very happy that Boks won three games that I predicted they would lose.

The French and second AB game being the gems of the year.

We left permenant scars on the ABs, which is great. We then humiliated France...which I'm still in a fantastic mood about. And then we slapped Ireland around in what was, for me, a highly entertaining affair. I was beaming when we kept selecting scrum after scrum.

I won't apologise, but I will say that I'm happy I was wrong.

PS I only read the first couple of sentences of your post...cos your spelling gives me a headache.

It's incredible to me how people still don't see that criticism against the Boks and certain players is not because we want them to lose - it's because we see the lost potential and we want that to be realized. We want them to be even better. A game like Saturday's is frustrating to watch because the Boks are so much more than just a scrum. Shit, the Kriel thing I highlighted in the other thread? Never mind the overlap we had, just get the ball to Sacha and he's got a 50% chance to score himself there what with that deadly handoff and acceleration he has, like he showed when he had JGP eating his palm. But we need to get the ball to these players, and to the Kolbes and the Moodies instead of just booting it into the air or choosing the contact when there's something on. This is what it's about. There's no derangement either - didn't we all immediately give DDA credit for his break that set up the first try on Saturday? And it's easy to understand, but some people just can't get out of the cheerleading mindset. For them it's either swing your pom-poms and pretend all is perfect, or you're a traitor. There's no in between.

Mike I think Plum is basically a good guy but if you keep bad company it affects your judgement. Mozzietard is quite skillful in pulling the wool over people's eyes.

Poor Mampara Pakster is now whining that he and the other Mamparas are being called out. It's unfathomable why a never ending stream of criticism and negativity against the Boks, Rassie, Du Toit and Allende should be called out they wail.

The Mamparas Union live in a tiny bubble where they egg each other on to increasingly absurd views.

Their bias against the Boks is massive and the reasons are obvious. Rassie has rubbed their long noses in it time and again and they are hopping mad. Their Rassie Derangement Syndrome is out of control and threatens to reach TDS levels if not stopped.

Thankfully posters are calling out their anti Black bias.

Pakster of course is now claiming to be the victim. All he is doing is offering valid criticism as he wants the Boks to do better he complains.

Unfortunately for him and other Mamparas their unhappiness at this virtually unprecedented Bok success is very obvious.

Their only hope is that the Boks start losing. That they think would vindicate their absurd criticisms of Rassie.

Mamparas maybe Rassie will be successful until he steps down what then? What if Rassie wins a third RWC? if you thinks think thigs are bad for you now they could get worse.

Bwahahahahahaha.

Best pay close attention to sane posters, learn the game and get treatment for your RDS.

Unfortunately, Beens, I wouldn't change the company I keep.

Not until such time as I no longer value objective analysis and honest thoughtful opinion...and actual sense of humour.

It's tough having a fundamentalist brain that can't handle nonconformity.

Its hard to deal with people that based their facts on fiction . In the end they believe themselves as the only real auhority on rugby issues.

For some reason they believe that Erasmus is a fool that knows nothin g about rugby.

Mpower

Incdentally I saw the Tonga match you mentioend above in real lfe, The amtch wa an indescribable emss from the wod go. The was no conceivable game plan - zero. The balls won by the forwards neve went past the flyhalf and got kicked away aimlessly - normally straight at a Tonga player who counte-attacked, It was one of the poorest teams in the series - but the Spring bks played like programmed zombies,

The truth about White as aa coach came out in Smit's book in which eh confirmed that White enver had any game plans for amtche the Springboks played in. He referred specifically to the world cup final and said there were no plan for th scorin g of a try. It was aas clear as daylight, Rememb er the match lost a gainst Glasgow in the 2024 final. That was exactly a replica of what happened in the 2007 final.

S o what Ihave found is that any team coached by White would reach semifinals or even finals - but some how never win. The ecception wa the 2007 RWC final, The En glish team as made up of rugby geriatrics who were retired from test rugby or nearing retiement, D uring the final the English played better rugby - even their scrummaging was better than the Springboks, What won the match for the S prin gboks were senseless mistakes older players made during matches, and 5 such kicks were converted, I have seen similar conmduct many times and the first time in my life is by a Springbok prop bby the name of Chris Koch who were playing in a test match where he would be the porp with most caps ever. He fucked up riyall and gave away two penalties to the AB's and they won the match - I saw it in the 2007 match against Tonga - I sa it in the Japan disaster in 2015. I aw it in the case of White this year and super - by Wille's mess in the AB test this year and the slillness by Kolbe this year in teh Argentina test in London. I saw it in the deadhead conduct of Kriel on Saturday.

Players who have reored must never be brought back to play for the Springboks, Even Erasmus brought back F rans Steyn to pkay in teh RWC - but he was wise he onluy allowed S teyn to play in matches already won by the S pring boks or against wak teams.

Erasmus is human - he amkes oo many selections based on oyalty and not sense, Above all he is too loyal to the players and read them the riot act in private not in fromt of the media As loyal as Erasmus is to the players - so loyal are the player to him. I ahve never heard over the last 7 years that players complain about him as a coach.

In essense I criticize Erasmus team elections - but I am always base my comments on facts, Kriel is not the player he was seven years agp and there is real proof - not pejudice - and was hoping that Erasmus picks Hoope rto playa at 13m - to my mind hat si where Hooker will be best palyer in thatposition.

Pakster you are being ‘called out’ …lucky you! Four centuries ago HasBeen and Clever would have been lighting a bonfire with you on top. Isn’t is incredible how little progress humanity has made despite it’s genius.

Don't feel. Left out Mampara power you are one of the daftest members of the Mamparas Union.

Mampara Plumster you are aligned with daft hatters who have consistently trashed the Boks, Rassie, DuTout and Allende. These hatters have consistently beliited and smeared the coach and players.

Yet you call this objective analysis and humour. You are losing your connection to reality.

Bad company effects judgement.

All the sense of humour on this board is concentrated within a very small minority.

Love the way Moffie and his Servile Gimps have now progessed from "useless" to "just lucky" and now to "we could be even better".

Every poster who has ever used one the following childish terms . . . "Dr Lucky", Eluckmiss" or any of the other silly little "lucky" terms that all dismiss Rassie's success as mere luck . . . every one of those posters is dumb and naive enough to have bought into Moffie's pathetic little campaign. And why? Well, because, with each new success and new achievement, Moffie has been running out of places to hide . . . so he had to run to his last refuge which was basically to say "I must have a lot of egg all over my face after all my daily diatribes against this incredibly successful Springbok coach . . . so let me just write it all off as luck. That will save face and my Gimps will still applaud everything I say."

LMAO!

Now that the "luck" myth has run it's course . . . because let's face it, if Rassie had such an enormous share of the world's luck the rest of us would be forced to read every Trad post or listen to Moffie's golf schedule for the rest of our lives . . . so, now that "luck" is no longer a viable option, where next for the biased and ignorant fools who jumped all over this stupid bandwagon?

Seems it's evolved now into "It's admittedly good but it could be so much better". This is the tripe that the egg-faced fools are now trying to promote.

Bokke, you just keep doing what it is that you're doing and ignore the losers with egg all over their stupid faces.

The box kicks and aerial contesting may not be what the Rassie-haters want to see but it's winning us test matches and extending an unbeaten run that stands at 7.

Who would you back . . . the egg-faced and hopelessly biased Rassie haters demanding that aesthetics be added to test victories or the coach who is at the coalface, making all the right calls, providing the gees and generally handling himself and the media a heck of a lot better than he used to?

Well?

"All the sense of humour on this board is concentrated within a very small minority."

Depends on you point of view Plum...some prunes on your side too...and those "sides" are convenient constructs to hide from certain issues...your "side" is not squeaky clean...nor is the other...and am I really on a side, or on the fence ...or just refusing to be forced in a stupid box?

Talk about group think....

What on earth are you on about, Draad?

And Rooi, there is nothing sudden or new about the idea that the Boks could be better. There are a great many posts here, dating back years, where people talk about it and what they feel are the factors holding the Boks back.

"What on earth are you on about, Draad?"

Don't be coy, you know...some's homor is another's snark petulance.

". . . where people talk about it and what they feel are the factors holding the Boks back."

Buttplug, I'm not normally in the habit of responding to any of the Servile Gimps but in this case, I'm going to throw you a bone and let's see what you come back with . . .

So, we've just beaten the top two NH teams, we've just the won the Tri-Nations (or whatever it's called these days), we are the #1 ranked team in the world and we've won the last two RWCs.

Please articulate what it is you think we're being held back from achieving.

Like I said, let's see what you come back with. My guess is you won't answer the actual question and you'll deflect like crazy . . . but feel free to prove me wrong.

lol again? What on earth are you on about?

Crack a joke once in a while, it won't kill you

Bingo.

I won't be attempting that again!

"Holding the Springboks back".

LMAO!

Chat sums up the missed opportunity of having one of the best talent pools ever and one of the weakest NZ teams ever, thus:

The Springboks are an all-time great team judged on results, but they aren’t mythologised like the great All Blacks because NZ dominated for decades, played a more “beautiful” style, controlled the global rugby narrative, and built a longer, uninterrupted tradition of excellence.

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So fans who judge everything on results may be happy, but the moment the tables turn and they will eventually, the team won’t be remembered the same way great NZ teams are. Brown ball, Lucky’s attempt to change the narrative is failing because the coach inherently doesn’t understand or trust backline play.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha!

So Lucky hired Brown because he thought our backline play was state of the art and he himself could coach great backline play? Sorry to pop your balloon but hiring Brown was an admission of underperformance, which unfortunately hasn’t been fixed despite the hype.

How to sum this up...

As someone that attended a top school in JHB, where we had rugby teams up to an E team in every age group, I understand fully how much wider our selection pool in SA is than any other country.

Forward play is largely about power. All things being equal, a wider selection pool will see you being able to select stronger players than those with narrower pools. That's predominantly why the Boks have generally featured in the top 3 in the world since for ever.

To rely mainly on that feels like opting for the low hanging fruit. Despite our two WC wins, and the RC successes under Rassie, I don't think that at any point under Rassie, the Boks have reached the level that Hannsen's ABs played at. But I think we easily could.

You could perhaps argue that all a side needs to do is win WCs and that stands as proof of them being better than anybody else. You could say that the scoreboard alone matters.

But I say that the first 20 mins against OZ in JHB and the second half of the game in Wellington is what makes a side good. And I think we could be making those kinds of periods of play a regular thing. Just like Swys made it a regular thing for his Lions.

Now, you could, as you have already, opt for the low hanging fruit in this discussion and claim that this means I'm unable to enjoy the Bok's successes. You could call what I'm talking about window dressing, but you know that the Boks have the ability to dominate like they did in Wellington much more regularly and you know that you'd like to see it as much as I would.

Draad will puff out his chest and talk about grinding the Irish into the mud and "job done" but I'd have wanted that plus putting down a trio of tries in that second half. And I don't think that's a crazy want. Not when we have, hands down, some of the best backs in the world.

I predicted the Boks would

1. Lose the first game against the All Blacks
2. Win the 2nd game against the All Blacks
3. Lose to France
4. Beat Ireland

My predictions were probably the closest. France was weakened, and we did not face many of their top players.

sharkbok

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Aug 05, 2025, 13:27

AB1 - Boks lose by 5

AB2 - Boks Win by 7

France - Boks lose by 3

Ireland - Boks Win by 5

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The Irish are not as good as they were, hence why I thought the Boks would win.

The first test against the All Blacks was at Helmsdeep, so I had doubts about this.

For those interested in reading further, please refer to the original ButtPlug Thread on Predictions.

The win against France was the gem this year for me.

Nah, it doesn't get much better than giving NZ a hiding in NZ...France and Ireland a closel second.

Under normal circumstances, I would agree, Draad.

But after their fan's antics at the WC and the Olympics, that win had a large measure of justice baked in.

...and the fact we did it with 14 men damaged them psychologically, which is the icing on the cake.

They know we are better than them, but because we did it with a man down, they're worried about how much.

Congrats to Rooitwit for schooling Mampara Plumster and for ripping away the mask.

Face facts Mampara Mozzietard has had a campaign running against Rassie going on unrelentingly for 10 years.

That ou Plumster can't see this is astonishing.

Of course every side hope to improve. But give credit to the improvements made and the remarkable achievements. Otherwise lose all credibility which is what has happened to the hapless Mamparas Union.

True and sane Bok supporters have had a bellyful of their drivel.