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Pollard a long term investment and future great

Started by Beeno112 REPLIES216 VIEWS· 09 Jul 2014, 14:29
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Jul 2014, 14:29
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09 Jul 2014, 14:29#1

Ex Suerpsort by Dr Brendon Venter (Ace rugby brain and so often on the same page as Beeno!)

Having scooped the IRB junior player of the tournament award (Junior World Championship) and enjoyed a confident debut for the senior Springbok side, Handré Pollard’s stock has risen exponentially over a short period of time.

Were we to conduct a poll as to which player should fulfill the Bok flyhalf starting berth with the impending Rugby Championship in mind, I believe Pollard would garner close to 100 per cent of the rugby public’s vote.

Having worked closely with Pollard at under-20 level, I can attest to the fact that the 20 year-old is a special talent. While I concur that he has the makings of a future Springbok great, he needs to be carefully managed.

For a player like Pollard to reach his full potential, I genuinely believe a measured process must be followed.

Just as Heyneke Meyer is what I would describe as a long-term coaching appointment (As I have explained Meyer is a builder he gets things right over time), in turn, Pollard is a long-term talent and investment. It’s therefore imperative that the player is not hurried in his development process.(Hoor Hoor)

I’m not saying that the former Paarl Gymnasium pupil should be omitted from the Springbok squad, but for now, I believe it would be in the player’s best interests to start from the bench and serve an apprenticeship. (Agreed)

While Pollard possesses an exceptional skill-set – a bullet pass, quick feet and the capacity to kick the ball a country mile - I would argue that his primary weakness, at present, is rooted in his game-management ability.(To be expected at his age but I cant think its that weak)

The definition of a good game-manager is a player that controls the energy of a match and is proactive in terms of positioning. Young flyhalves such as Pollard, still acquiring the skill of game-management, can be caught in no-man’s land. Tactically, at times, they are too shallow when they want to kick and too deep when they want to run and visa versa.

A number ten has to manage a game and dictate terms, thus work-rate and talent are simply not enough.

Moreover, flyhalf is a particularly unforgiving position – a number of tens have come through the system and are what one could term “one-test wonders”. While young and talented, one poor match effectively consigns said player to the ash heap. I do not wish the same fate to befall Pollard.

While it’s part of the learning process to make mistakes, my deepest concern is that a high-profile error against the All Blacks, for example, which subsequently loses the Springboks a test match, could prove highly detrimental to a young player’s development. Cue Gaffie du Toit’s performance against New Zealand in the 1999 Dunedin test, as a case in point.

For the time being, I believe it would be most beneficial to start Morné Steyn at ten with Pollard doing his Bok apprenticeship off the bench. In the process, the latter would come to learn the team culture and ethos. (PLEASE NOTE MIKE - YOUR TAKE ON MORNE IS UNBALANCED)

To draw a point of reference for Pollard, it’s useful to cite the Alex Goode case study. The England and Saracens fullback was 20 years of age when I joined the Watford-based side. Like all young players, he was naturally desperate to play for his country.

I said to him, “Goodie, let me offer you some advice. Take your time to develop your skill-set and game understanding by completing an apprenticeship in the Aviva Premiership. By doing so, you will be 100 per cent ready when an opportunity at international level presents itself.”

I’ve watched as Goode has matured beautifully and today, at the age of 26, he is a polished performer for both club and country.

When you’re young, you are physical, committed and motivated but, by and large, you don’t have a great feel for and understanding of the game. For example, at the age of 20, I did not boast the best game-management.

While I’m in no way comparing my skill-set to that of Pollard’s, the reality is that the chances of success are even smaller when one fulfills the flyhalf berth, owing to the very nature of a position which requires authority. (PLEASE NOTE DR MOZ AND HAVE PATIENCE RE GOOSEN AND LAMBIE AS THEY DEVELOP INTO FINE TEST PLAYERS - IT CRACKS ME UP HOW THESE KIDS ARE DISMISSED WHEN THEY HAVENT REALLY STARTED AND HOW SOME OLDER PLAYERS ARE WRITTEN OFF WHEN STILL PLAYING GREAT RUGBY - JEAN AND HABANA)

A 20-year-old Pollard simply cannot manage the flow of a high-pressure international test as well as a 30-year-old Naas Botha could, for instance, purely because the former hasn’t experienced enough match situations.

And If Pollard is picked as the Springboks’ main goal kicker and he misses a few attempts at goal, for example, having not previously experienced the above scenario, how will he react?

Ultimately, if we throw Pollard into the deep end and something goes array, where does he go from there?

Johan Goosen was hailed as the previous “big star” and where is he now in terms of his development?

Young players want to play at once and as much as possible at international level because their fear is that the opportunity may never arise again. However, the truth of the matter is that Pollard, for argument’s sake, will be much better prepared for the challenge when he has two or three Super Rugby seasons under his belt.


Oh that we had appointed DR Venter as Stormers coach instaed of ou Allistair. 


Brendon all I can say is great minds think alike. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Jul 2014, 18:04
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09 Jul 2014, 18:04#2
Moz was promoting Pollard while you dopes were still Goosening, Boshoffing and Jantjiesing. Listen to moz.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Jul 2014, 20:04
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09 Jul 2014, 20:04#3
 Nothing against Polly, but you guys are putting the cart in front of the horses. Brendon included. Sure the lad has got talent,  but to punt him as an all time great at this stage, is hopelessly premature. Think Gaffie. Give the laaitie a chance to first find his feet.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
09 Jul 2014, 20:46
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09 Jul 2014, 20:46#4
 The big difference with Pollard is that at last he is being managed properly. He was not thrown into the deep-end prematurely. He was spotted (by HM) at a young age and I might get spit at again for saying this, but his move to the Bulls was the correct one. Had he stayed at the Stormers, Coetzee would surely have fucked him up by now with the  constant crisis management that he's got going down there. Had Pollard signed with the Stormers he would definitely not have been played in the Varsity Cup and the Vodacom Cup for some time before having to make the step-up. He would have been straight out of school into the S15 and it would have been the end of him.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Jul 2014, 21:04
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09 Jul 2014, 21:04#5
 Doffies
If Pollard did not sign with th Blue Bulls - he would not have made the Springbok team.  One of Meyer's top requirements for selection remains the Blue Bulls contract.
That is why Lappies Labuschagne decided on going to the Bulls and not the Sharks - he knows that improves his chances of Springbok selection by 80%.
Pollard is a good flyhalf - because he is not a waste of space like Morne - he knows what is required from a flyhalf - and unlike Morne can read games and determines the best line of action at specific stages during games.    The reason for that is he was tutored by the WP under 20 coach (Dixon) in flyhalf play before he finally left for the  Bulls.   At the Bulls he would have lost it - like Morne did from early on.   Very good prospect - who should together with Goosen be considered for the Springboks no 10 position - we do not need a repeat of the Stade Francais Reject at 10.    
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MachiavelliClub Pro323 posts
09 Jul 2014, 21:04
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09 Jul 2014, 21:04#6
 Mozard did indeed, while some of the foul mouthed posters here and on 365 were punting the brother with stunted growth.Pollard is mature beyond his years but needs to be managed correctly.
The Stormers may be suffering the consequences of an inept coach but much (as is already evident) has and will change with the guidance of Gert.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Jul 2014, 21:07
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09 Jul 2014, 21:07#7
 Mozart Did?  He did not even know about Pollard until he saw him coming off the bench for the Bulls in Super 15 this year.   Pollard was a topic of discussion on this site since he played in the Under 20 WC in 2012 - and many of us pointed out that he has a bright future ahead of him.   
Mozart never follows Under 20 games he would not have known about him at all.     
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
09 Jul 2014, 22:03
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09 Jul 2014, 22:03#8
 
clevermike

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July 09, 2014, 19:04:03  Doffies
If Pollard did not sign with th Blue Bulls - he would not have made the Springbok team.  One of Meyer's top requirements for selection remains the Blue Bulls contract.
That is why Lappies Labuschagne decided on going to the Bulls and not the Sharks - he knows that improves his chances of Springbok selection by 80%.
Pollard is a good flyhalf - because he is not a waste of space like Morne - he knows what is required from a flyhalf - and unlike Morne can read games and determines the best line of action at specific stages during games.    The reason for that is he was tutored by the WP under 20 coach (Dixon) in flyhalf play before he finally left for the  Bulls.   At the Bulls he would have lost it - like Morne did from early on.   Very good prospect - who should together with Goosen be considered for the Springboks no 10 position - we do not need a repeat of the Stade Francais Reject at 10.    


  Help me out here. Are you saying that Pollard got his place in the Bok team purely based on the fact that he is a Bulls player? Think carefully because just like so many times before, this one might also come  back  to bite you in the arse.

Goosen will be Pollard's understudy after RWC 2015, if he is lucky. And I mean moerse lucky. I would also like to  reiterate that Pollard would have been stuffed  had he signed with the Stormers.

Now go try and figure out how to get out of the holes that you dug for yourself on the other threads.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Jul 2014, 22:19
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09 Jul 2014, 22:19#9
 hey dof doos windpomp go and read my thread regarding bulle we have heard it all before. I even highlighted a section for your specific education and enlightenment.
Pollard is in great danger playing for the bulle. How many youngsters havent they wrecked. Will he achieve his enormous potential or will be be moulded into what he is not uis the question.Anybody notice also how jaque potgieter improved on leaving th bulle. I have however to admit that Allistair is not the sharpest pencil in the box. However Smal has some sense so things have looked up.Note too oaks how this great talent was snaffled by the parasitic bulle.  They stuff up Sadie, JJ (a wing) and are even trying to turn Jan into a crashballer. Hougaard they tried to turn into a Fpourie Du Preez clone. Morne could paly inside center so he can run with the ball. They trained him out of that to a large degree.
Oh the shambles the bulle make of so many players. What a pity they get their grubby lucre lined hands, year after year, on the best young talent the country has and messes them up with an exception or two to prove the rule.
A boneheaded bunch are the bulle  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Jul 2014, 23:23
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09 Jul 2014, 23:23#10
The difference is OOM......you may have spotted him when he was U20. But I was calling him the next Bok flyhalf while you were still punting Lambie and Goosentjie. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Jul 2014, 02:01
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10 Jul 2014, 02:01#11
 Mozart
Very, very late in the day.  That was after he came on the scene in the Bulls games this year - more than a year after Saffex and myself wrote about him on this site.  
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
10 Jul 2014, 02:07
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10 Jul 2014, 02:07#12
 Jy lieg man. Jy aanbid  nog die heelty vir useless Goosen  met sy strafskoppe en geel kaart.
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sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
10 Jul 2014, 02:19
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10 Jul 2014, 02:19#13
When people first wrote about him on this website, it was when the Bulls signed him. Their was an outcry in WP that he was lost to Stormers, and the Bulls had poached him.
He is similar to Goosen in that they both had big reps from a young age, and anyone who had seem them play tipped them both as future boks. 
Like most I just got to see him play this year, as I dont follow the junior league. I think he scored a try with his first touch of the ball in SuperXV.
It does not count when Saffex talks up a young player, because he allways rates all the young players through rose tinted glasses. Saffex as a selector for his 30 man Springbok squad, would include over 100 players, many of whom are not even first choices at their respective provinces- even ones in Ireland, France etc. The likes of Quinn Roux, and that other player who sits on the bench for Ballymun. Most will likely still be eligible for the under 21 boks.
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