Pollard for Bok captain

" Take quotas out of the equation and Moffie makes a decent point but having a black captain who's not that far off deserving his starting spot is more valuable to us right now.

Sad but true Rooi, it shouldn't be,but it is what it is...who would have thought we could agree on something!?

Boks aside for a second, I was quite impressed with Ruben van Heerden as well today for the Sharks, big effort making 18 tackles, strong physically and always looking to get involved.

JL Dup probably had his best game that I've seen and was a big improvement over the average Jacques Vermeulen. Nkosi was brave and accurate under the high balls after spilling an early one, and also much more secure in his tackling.

And Mozart believes that the following represents "tractoring around" amd I ove also the stats fopr his wonderful Esterhuizen:- 

                                     De Allende                Esterhuizen

Balls passed                         14                             15

Balls Carried                        14                             12

Meters gained                      71                             37

Clean Breaks                         1                               0

Defenders beaten                   5                               2

And then the Bulls would have won if it was not for Libbok not passing the ball  - that is what one calls supreme BS,   The Bulls was losing by 23 - 15 when Pollard missed a kick at goal and all the Stormers had to do was to kick the ball out of touch and the game would have been over.  They tried to make a run for a bonus point win and  won by only one point because of the fact that the Bulls defense was piss poor.   Never a chance of winning.    

Problem is despite all his faults Du Plessis today out-performed from a defense perspective the pedestrian Pollard.   So now Pollard should be the Bok captain.   Why - he was captaining the losing team?

And the Snyman myth continues unabated - also since h\the only positive was falling on Du Toit and getting nothing in return.

How much BS can one take from the normal source?                    

Mozart 

You really are totally incoherent.    Clumsy and fairly useless is what Snyman was and that is a fact.    Snyman dominated nobody - anybody who states that is a  fool.

If there was a dominant lock today it was Wiese.- not  Snyman.    By the way when did Du Toit play at lock today?

Exactly Mozart - when a team is ahead  and one man up -- you go for a try rather than make an uncertain kick at goal.   I say uncertain because from what I have seen the wind was problematic.   Fact is they missed two of those kicks.        

The Bok squad is one big compromise. All so that the tearful black folk can be brought into something that they've never earned the right to.be a part of.

They cup their hands and we give them handouts ... if we don't, they thrash about on the floor, calling us racists .. "Boo hoo .. it's all so unfair .sniff .. sniff".

Have you ever heard of this absurdity anywhere else in the world?

The nonsense that Kolisi is almost a merit pick as an openside flank and captain is laughable. He's simply not good enough in either aspect and never has been. Anyone who claims this, is either desperate to see undeserving black faces on the pitch or a complete rugby noob.

There is absolutely no value in fielding an incompetent captain who needs his handy held with the simplest of on field decisions ... nor is there any value in selecting a player who has no clue what his role is on the field. He simply gets in the way.

And then the Bulls would have won if it was not for Libbok not passing the ball  - that is what one calls supreme BS

The incident in question happened about 8 - 10 or so minutes from full time (I'm going on the time I called it on the live commentary, I don't have the exact match time stamp) when the Bulls attacked down the left, Libbok only had to draw Willemse and pass to Rossouw for a certain try, but instead chose to break inside. Had that try been scored and converted the Bulls would have been within 1 point with 7 or 8 minutes left to play. Absolutely would have put them in with a chance to win it.

You should pay attention to these key moments in games, Mike. You keep beating on other people for knowing "nothing" about rugby, but then you can't even identify the obvious moment when the Bulls were one pass away from putting themselves right back in it.

Far more than stats like meters made, these are the isolated moments of decision and execution where games are won or lost. Libbok's stats say he made 100m in just 23 minutes on the field, beating 4 defenders and making 2 clean breaks - but he couldn't make a critical scoring pass when he needed to.

I'm not convinced that Kolisi makes the starting lineup, at best he is mediocre......makes the odd burst and nothing more. What it means is that the player with favorable pigmentation just has to be an average or mediocre player to achieve national honors. The bar is set low simply because the powers that be a) have lower standards and b) have a political agenda. Have a look at the way the country is run as an example. 

The Bok is dead, get over it, call it anything else but Springboks.

Arsehole ... you've been a supporter of the blackman over your fellow Caucasians for many moons .. calling on them to be included in everything ... don't pretend otherwise.

It's typical of your kind.

Being aware of quotas and accepting it is two totally different things.

I suppose you sing their national anthem with passion too, huh?

Spineless as ever.

You should really consider packing wifey dearest up and going back to where you guys come from.

Vermeulen is only good for the first twenty ... then he's done. He also seems a little injury prone. That's usually what happens to the old.

Why waste a spot on this elderly man when we have a perfectly good 8 in Dan Du Preez. He's had a cracker of a season and is by far the best 8 we have.

Just because he's an ex Freestater doesn't mean he qualifies for Bok duty.

Use your head, Shezza!!

Papier has a very long way to go. He shouldn't be considered for national duty till he's ready ... if ever.

CC

I took a careful look what Vermeulen was up to.   In  a game with a substantial number of ball carries  the stats for the number 8's in the game was as follows:-

Vermeulen      -      6  tackles  -   2 missed tackles

Van Dyk         -     14 tackles  -   1 missed tackle

Vermeulen since his return to Springbok rugby - other than the first two tests in June last year -has been consistent in one respect - his extraordinary low work rate.    Taking the above into account there is enough evidence to suggest he plays for only about 30% actively in games - even when he is on the field of play for the full game.   

Two incidents that really happened in the whole match suddenly became the norm for the match  as a whole - indeed  funny stuff and total BS about that Mozart term "process tackles".    If you do not know by now that it is BS then you will never know.   But then you know what Alberts and Matfield routinely did and now try and ascribe it to other players is really funny.

So the magnificent contribution  of Vermeulen did not prevent the Stormers from having 65% ball possession as against the 35% of the Bulls.   Why don't you think before writing tripe on site?        

OK  I was wrong - but then what did that 58% represents?   2 tries  - one that should never have happened because he Stormers wanted to try and make a run for a fourth try and fouled it up - knowing full well they were 8 points ahead after the time for the match was up.    No Mozart - the Bulls were thoroughly outplayed and Vermeulen did not produce anything that gave them a chance to win.

I have looked at Vermeulen's contribution for the Bulls in all matches played this year and he was always a low production player.    There are two things virtually totally absent from his game and those are  -

*    passing the ball; and

*    becoming involved in attacking play other than crashballing.- in the last game he carried the ball 13 times for an 18 meter gain,  not even a 1,5 meter per carry gain.   

The above argument has two sides - the one a dream of performance that never happened - and the cruel fact that Vermeulen is not producing the goods he did 5 ears ago,  

Mozart

How did Snyman dominate opposing locks?   He took line-outs and  when du Toit was near him he knocked on the ball and fell clumsily on Du Toit.   Before and after that zero else.   Open your eyes or better still open your closed mind and maybe you would be regarded as a logical contributor worthy of debating issues.,      

 Ek was the oue dat het geseen Pollard, and JJ- die beste since Gerber. Yussie, ek veet nie vat die vok ek degoen naby Stad Frances. Ons so me nie maak the quarters ekse. Weet jy if ek kan maar a job kryne na Alister Coetzee in Japan?

... and I thought BeanDip was the only one fluent in Moron.

We need an 8 that's all over the park, all the time ... not one playing in spurts of 10 minutes and gasping for breath the next 10.

Vermeulen was an awesome player ... in his day. Those days are gone.

He has had ample time to work on his fitness this year but it seems he's been assured of his spot in the Goat mix so why bother. The hunger we saw in him when he was younger is also a thing of the past. He's just winging it now ... waiting for the big payday ... eager to claim another world cup under his belt ... like Matfield ... without contributing anything of value.

Some even say that we should wrap him up in cotton wool ... save him for the WC ... limit his time on the field ... to prevent injury. My response to that is ... if he's the answer at 8 then why is it necessary to protect him like that?

I'll tell you why ... he's old ... a spent force ... with a body that's taken a beating over the years ... a body that can't anymore ... tired ... in need of a little lie down.

It's time to move on.

Mozart ... you tried your best to have us believe that Matfield was the star of the show under Meyer ... I suppose we can expect the same from you regarding Vermeulen.

Regarding the capt. What options are there?

Beast is not a natural leader ... he tends to take things personally and this results in a sulking, capt the rest of the match.

Eben is just too damn dumb ... besides that ... we need him to play the enforcer role and being the diplomat just doesn't suit his style of play.

Kolisi is a moron ... constantly in search of a helping hand. He shouldn't be anywhere near the Goats.

Marx doesn't have enough experience to lead a side.

Lood seems a little injury prone. We need a capt on the field.

Jaco Kriel won't make the mix ... the quota is assured of the 6 jersey.

Whiteley is also injury prone. Besides that, he's not the best in his position.

Vermeulen is just too damn old ... and also not the best in his position.

That leaves us with ... Pollard.

CC

Have you seen that load f utter garbage Mozart came up with about Du Toit and his happiness about the injury to Du Toit caused by the clumsy Snyman.

Do I understand it correctly - a shoulder injury prevents a player from walking?????????

I have seen virtually limitless hatred of players - but the above BS takes the cake.     

I think that Pollard is not an inspiring captain - he was the captain of the 2013 Rugby WC team and in the final lost the plot.   Maybe I should be less harsh and say that we should be patient with him on that score - after all in that game the clueless Esterhuizen knocked on a ball with an open tryline in front of him that would have won the game for the Juniors,   

I stated before that Pollard is the best flyhalf we have - my reservations are about his captaincy,   I think Pote Human is not an idiot.   He handles his players very well -  for example Nyakane dominating Kitshoff on Saturday - but he does not see Pollard as a captain and used everyone else besides him before he ended up with Pollard,   Why?         .    

Mike ... Mozart will never say anything positive about Du Toit. If he did, it would mean that you were right and he was wrong.

What are the chances of that EVER happening?

His reaction above is a little over the top ... but that's because you ruffled his feathers. His emotions got the better of hm and he tried to be hurtful.

As for walking properly with a shoulder injury ... haaaaahahahaha ... unless he's walking on his hands, it shouldn't be an issue. Maybe Mozart enjoyed a little too much wine with his lunch and saw things that weren't really there.

He's a strange one.

I don't like Pollard as a captain either. Nothing about him inspires one ... but who else. He is the best in his position and so should be a starter every match. 

Jaco Kriel brings a brotherhood to the mix. The boys under him would give their best for him and that's what you want.

Who would you suggest, Mike. Lood? You really think he'll be able to inspire his boys more so than Pollard?

I dunno.

We don't really have a stand out captain, do we? I guess anyone will do ... just s long as it's not that damn fool Kolisi.

Rooitwit way back when I was insisting on merit selection I was called by nutjobs like you a nazi etc. 

Today you say you want merit selections! It all goes to show what a profound effect I have had on you.

I would go for Eben as captain. He commands huge respect and clearly is far smarter than that halfwit wee cc thinks. 

Rassie needs to say to Vermuelen show me what you can do for 80 minutes. 

I suspect Vermuelen is coasting. Probably learned the art from the haplles pap Matfiled. 

Cioetzee is the best number 8 I have seen this year. 

Steph the best 7.

CC

I was watching what happened in team discussion on the field on Saturday and noticed one thing in particular,   The person that did the talking was Du Toit - not Kolisi.   That indicates to me that the effort of players was enhanced in what he told them.   It was not only in that game the case - but in virtually all the games this year.

Fact is I would prefer him to be captain ahead of Pollard - but am afraid Erasmus is using Kolisi as captain to get past some other ridiculous  quota selections like Am and co.