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Pollard, Louw, Frans, Faf and Mostert extract the win.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Oct 2019, 18:29
#1
27 Oct 2019, 18:29#1

After the Welsh evened the game up with an easy try round our blindside flank... .....the game was slipping away at 16 all and momentum was with Wales.


Enter Francois Louw.....who makes the crucial turnover, the game winning turnover. And after another penalty Pollard makes the money kick....how would you have liked Jantjies to be kicking that one?


But Wales still had time, only a penalty away....we needed a territory buffer.....provided by excellent kicks by Faf and Frans. And then insurance, Mostert makes our only lineout steal  of the match.


Experience off the bench is a good thing.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Oct 2019, 18:49
#2
27 Oct 2019, 18:49#2

So what another load of farcical BS and total ignorance as well.   First thing Louw did was to give away a penalty and then happened to be in site when a Wales player was tackled and that resulted in a return penalty.  -1 + 1 = 0 not so? 

Fransie made one tackle and never touched the ball - so what contribution marvelous contribution did he make??????? 

And obviously dimness never realized the contribution made by Du Toit and De Allende contributed anything positive to the game/  Happy Ignorance and Prejudice Day to you.   

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Oct 2019, 19:08
#3
27 Oct 2019, 19:08#3

Wrong Frans put an excellent kick  through and made the follow up tackle that pinned them in their 22. Get your facts straight you fool.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Oct 2019, 19:22
#4
27 Oct 2019, 19:22#4
Is that all Fransie did?   Sure - it is enough for a flowery flattery song  by you.   That means that you remain the idiot you always were when it comes to rugby.   I said he made one tackle and that was it,  
The 9 tackles made by  De Allende and the try he scored obviously did not contribute to anything neither did the 18 tackles made by Du Toit.   Wonderful thinking by the most prejudiced idiot ever on site.       
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Oct 2019, 19:27
#5
27 Oct 2019, 19:27#5

Well he was on for just a few minutes....pinned the Wallies in their 22 though.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
27 Oct 2019, 19:33
#6
27 Oct 2019, 19:33#6

Yes, he made a kick. There are no individual kicking stats on the section of ESPN where this game is logged currently. There's not even a column for it.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Oct 2019, 19:33
#7
27 Oct 2019, 19:33#7

So Fransie pinned the whole Wales team in their 22 all on his own?   Much like your tale about Alberts pushing all the forwards of opposing teams off the ball all on his own when he was at breakdown points and in fact did bugger-all at all.    LMAO

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Oct 2019, 19:33
#8
27 Oct 2019, 19:33#8

Duplicate

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Oct 2019, 19:38
#9
27 Oct 2019, 19:38#9

No he kicked ahead shrewdly into space in the middle of the field and was up to make the tackle.....one of the few times we followed up a kick properly. There now you are educated.

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
27 Oct 2019, 19:40
#10
27 Oct 2019, 19:40#10
Nothing quite as biased or as ignorant as the decrepit old fool Moffie. He lists his stars of the day but somehow manages to ignore the real top two performers Pieter-Steph du Toit and Damian de Allende because of his childish and petty prejudice against these two players.
Here's a less biased  ranking of the players . . .

Willie le Roux: 4.5

Dangerously erratic … heard that one before at this tournament? Linked well once or twice and showed courage in contact, but also guilty of some poor tactical kicks, jittery handling and leaking a slightly needless (duly goaled) penalty for offside play.

S’bu Nkosi: 5.5

Perhaps understandably, the Cheslin Kolbe replacement didn’t look too sharply-versed in current Bok first-team defensive alignment; was caught out a couple of times. Still, he exhibited good leg drive and chasing commitment.

Lukhanyo Am: 7

Desperately little ball-in-hand activity on front foot. But another showing marked by his admirable alertness on defence, vigour over the ball at breakdowns and general willingness to help tidy up situations.

Damian de Allende: 8.5

Dan Biggar may have recurring nightmares of De Allende roaring toward his channel. High on confidence at present, and a vital, regular source of go-forward for the Boks. He sucks in defenders like under-couch popcorn to a vacuum cleaner, and his strength and conviction were stunningly to the fore as he swatted off three or four red-jerseyed foes for his 57th-minute lone Bok try.

Makazole Mapimpi: 6.5

Got around the park impressively, looking to contribute. Contested grittily in the air, too, even if not always winning the ball back.

Handre Pollard: 6.5

Many of his best strengths currently muzzled by the box-kick-heavy game plan. Far from flawless or fluid in general play, but his place-kicking was importantly right on the button here (100 percent strike rate) and he produced some fine lead-up play to De Allende’s dot-down, including a once trademark, middle-field bust-through.

Faf de Klerk: 6.5

The array of mixed feelings about what he brings to the party would not have changed in this one. Made his share of overly frantic, unforced errors and some kicks reeked of pot luck. But then there was the good stuff: a key ankle tap on George North, a clever blindside snipe … and a deft touch-finder late in the game that probably, finally broke the collective Welsh spine.

Duane Vermeulen: 8

Cometh hours like these, cometh the combative guy. Vermeulen was positively ferocious as a ball-carrier from start to finish: ask Welsh tighthead Tomas Francis, unceremoniously bowled over and forced to exit nursing a rib issue after poor body positioning in trying to halt “Thor”. Unusually turned over once in contact.

Pieter-Steph du Toit: 8.5

The strong-engine blindside flank was especially vibrant in the first half, as Boks set out their physical stall, covering oceans of space and flattening ball-carriers with his no-nonsense tackles (almost 10 before halftime alone). Mobility barely waned throughout game.

Siya Kolisi: 7

Solid workhorse at close quarters. The Bok captain stuck to his task admirably for 69 minutes, making drive-back challenges, one electric charge, and communicating deftly, I felt, with controversial referee Jerome Graces.

Lood de Jager: 7.5

Probably the best lock on the park, and only solidifying his reputation as an excellent World Cup player. Always at the fulcrum of the Bok pack effort … plus sound kick-off receipts and clever reading of play when needed.

Eben Etzebeth: 6.5

Still we wait for that true, snarling “Eben of old” at the event. But that didn’t mean he wasn’t influential: helped Bok bossing of scrums, steered some maul drives decently and once held up Leigh Halfpenny to force a Bok scrum feed.

Frans Malherbe: 7

An increasingly compelling tournament as Bok scrum-time anchor. Bossed his duel there with Wyn Jones and continues to up his work-rate in open play.

Bongi Mbonambi: 6

Will be irked that Boks surrendered their first lineout of the tournament on half-hour mark, though his throw didn’t seem hugely to blame. Busy and made his tackles … though penalised for one off the ball.

Tendai Mtawarira: 6.5

Less conspicuous than usual in general exchanges, though you couldn’t whinge about his scrummaging in a 48-minute shift.

Standout substitute:

Vincent Koch: 7

While another reserve, Francois Louw, made a manna-from-heaven steal late on, Koch was perhaps the most consistently hard-grafting of all the impact men. Only added to the scrum mastery, and his blond head popped up in plenty of other places.


Much more accurate than Moffie's biased and delusional garbage . . . just not sure how anyone could score Moffie's hero Willie le Roux anything higher than a 2 for his pathetic effort. How this bungling clown is still a starter is beyond me. I can only think he has some photos of Rassie doing unspeakable things in the barnyard.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Oct 2019, 19:47
#11
27 Oct 2019, 19:47#11
Those ratings are spot on I had PSDT, Vermeulen and Lood as our best forwards de Allende my MOM
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Oct 2019, 19:55
#12
27 Oct 2019, 19:55#12

Puleeze....Allende was given a back rub by Biggar and Stephanie most culpable in the Wallies try.....there will be much bleating because as usual the fools never saw what actually happened.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Oct 2019, 20:10
#13
27 Oct 2019, 20:10#13
Moz what we saw was the massive contributions by both - they were huge Because you hate them so you only focus on the negatives, no player plays the perfect game- it’s very sad but more than anything makes you look a little silly. Louw made a great steal on the ground and Mostert in the line out Why do you hate PSDT and de Allende so?
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
27 Oct 2019, 20:21
#14
27 Oct 2019, 20:21#14

Harsh about the Welsh try, Moz. I think it's a combination of Am/Faf.

Steph had Williams comfortably covered, but Am had already come inside onto Williams due to Faf jumping on Moriarty and thereby taking himself out of the equation with regards to defending in the line (I think he should have left him alone). Am should have stayed on his man as Steph would have had Williams - a typical Am spot tackle on J Davies then could have stopped the move. Wales had two more support runners coming round so they may have outnumbered us anyway. Am might have been trying to cut off the pass for this very reason, or he might have been trying to cover for Faf. Either way, it was a big defensive failure for the Boks and one England will take notice of.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Oct 2019, 20:40
#15
27 Oct 2019, 20:40#15

Dave

Mozart has a problem that goes back years,  Du Toit in 2013 posed a real threat to the selection of Matfield and De Allende kept Fat Fransie out of the Springbok team all these years,   So they mu st be under attack by him for years.

Note that he never admitted that Du Toit scored a try against the AB's in the round robin game and when forced to he credited Etzebeth with the try and claimed Du Toit scoring the try was nothing important.   The same happened with the De Allende try today.   He never mentioned it and when it was pointed out he claimed that it meant nothing because he beat only Biggar and the scrummie to score the try.   According to Mozart not worth anything at all.

Then there was another piece of utter BS - blaming Du Toit for the Welsh try.   Always the same from him - he is just a silly fool.              

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,246 posts
27 Oct 2019, 21:04
#16
27 Oct 2019, 21:04#16
The Welsh try was down to the backline overlap. The Welsh were able to draw and pass, until the winger was able to walk in the try. 
The loose forwards could not break, and the Welsh had wheeled the blindside of the scrum, giving the Welsh scrummie acres of space to snipe around the base of the scrum. 
First, he ran away from the scrum, then the Welsh eightman broke from the scrum and passed. Steph Dutoit was not able to unbind from the scrum until the ball left the scrum- so there is no way that he could have cut of the attacking line of the scrumhalf who had already run to the left.  
Willie Leroux was nowhere on the cover defence...

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Oct 2019, 21:56
#17
27 Oct 2019, 21:56#17
PSDT had nothing to do with the Welsh try in fact we should have been awarded a penalty from that scrum
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Oct 2019, 01:40
#18
28 Oct 2019, 01:40#18
What I saw Pakie suggested Stephanie was slow to shift from scrumming to defence. In looking at it again, that's still my point of view.
Faf takes on Moriarty, who has picked up at the base.

Moriarty appears to take the ball back  into the scrum....Dave may have a point that the Boks should have had a penalty.
Nonetheless Faf is draped all over   him and the Welsh scrummie is open  next to him. There was nobody else who could have shifted onto the scrummie but Stephanie.
As Moriarty passes to the scrummie, Stephanie steps back rather than moving towards the tackle. He is scarcely ahead of Vermeulen and Am sees he has a huge gap to run into outside Dud. So he decides to cut in and do a smother tackle....he doesn't get there in time and the overlap takes care of the rest.
......Point is once Faf was out of commission the flank on that side of the scrum had to take the scrummie....Stephanie was too slow to react and Am felt he had to make the tackle. If he didn't Tomos Williams would probably have beaten Stephanie to the line.
Harsh? Maybe.....but a flanker like Hooper or Curry would have been two steps closer to Williams. That's the downside of a lock at flank. The backward step sealed the deal. 
A natural flank would have stayed bound but shifted to the outside of Faf, to preserve his defensive line. Instead he got trapped behind Faf and actually had to step over him, which cost more time, leaving Am no option.


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Oct 2019, 03:55
#19
28 Oct 2019, 03:55#19

Shifty Schiff-Strzok

Your twisted view is utter BS as per normal.   I knew in advance you would find the impossible and blame Du Toit or De Allende for the try of the Welsh.   That has been the case all along because you will find out something that consist of utter BS as per normal to blame Du Toit for the try.   

This description consist of the same type of BS you spouted about the Goodhue try and is even sillier than most of your other twisted descriptions.

Are you not ashamed of yourself about coming up with the BS you apparently specialize in and is the only twisted stuff you constantly lie about?    

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Oct 2019, 05:15
#20
28 Oct 2019, 05:15#20
The description is accurate, your response is hysterical.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
28 Oct 2019, 06:13
#21
28 Oct 2019, 06:13#21

It was Mosterdt who gave away a soft penalty which gave the Welsh territory to go for the try. I almost threw a beer bottle at the TV. Mosterdt almost cost us the match. He made good afterwards, bat that was a huge blunder.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
28 Oct 2019, 06:14
#22
28 Oct 2019, 06:14#22
Oops!
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Oct 2019, 06:36
#23
28 Oct 2019, 06:36#23

Not before you had finished the contents by the sound of things! In any case, what's with the Mosterdt (sic) thing.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
28 Oct 2019, 08:12
#24
28 Oct 2019, 08:12#24

Mozart as ever, desperate to promote the cause of his elderly and the useless.



PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
28 Oct 2019, 10:15
#25
28 Oct 2019, 10:15#25

CC as ever, desperately trying to promote his opinion which is, as ever, useless.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
28 Oct 2019, 10:52
#26
28 Oct 2019, 10:52#26

"Not before you had finished the contents by the sound of things! (I finished more than one, and contrary to what I said, I actually don't throw things at the TV or anything else. I'm very much in control of myself at all times...even after having a few beers.) In any case, what's with the Mosterdt (sic) thing." (sic)

It was Mosterdt who gave away a soft penalty which gave the Welsh territory to go for the try. I almost threw a beer bottle at the TV. Mosterdt almost cost us the match. He made good afterwards, bat that was a huge blunder.

Mosterdt is apparently the archaic spelling... I wasn't aware that the prevalent spelling is without the "d", will correct in the future. I have no beef with Franco. Great player, but I think Rassie changed the locks too soon.

TT
The_TruthClub Pro471 posts
28 Oct 2019, 11:14
#27
28 Oct 2019, 11:14#27

PSDT had nothing to do with the Welsh try in fact we should have been awarded a penalty from that scrum

Bullsh!t!

Law 19 (36) c

If you want to comment about rugby, then go learn something about the laws first!

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Oct 2019, 11:18
#28
28 Oct 2019, 11:18#28

Louw buggered up giving away a penalty.   He contributed to a crucial penalty against Wales.

Mostert did the same.

So Mozart find it easy - ignore what they did wrong and write hat they did right,  That in itself is just normal with him.

The other part is the story about the line-out turnover,  Fact is that the Welsh jumper knocker the ball on and that caused a scrum to be formed,  That is really not a turnover in the normal sense f the word.

The third Mozart allegation that Du Toit was too slow to get to the scorer of the Welsh try.  As is normal with Mozart he makes things up totally disregarding physical possibility.   In this case the fact is that even if he was able to start his run before the scrum breakup  allow for it, he would still not have been able to get the try-scor er   He would have to be faster than the speed of the two passes by the Welsh player to reach the try-scorer and tackle him.   I have never seen that one in the past - unless it is a slow looped pass far out - not in the red zone.   For Du Toit to make it to the try scorer and tackle him he would have had to get wings to try and fly to do what Mozart claims he should have been able to do.            

 

  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Oct 2019, 16:21
#29
28 Oct 2019, 16:21#29

No Muck......Dud could never have got far enough across to tackle the try scorer.....that's not what I said. But he could and should have come off the scrum quickly enough to have blocked the path of the Welsh scrummie. That would have allowed Am to stay on his man and prevented the overlap.

This was goal line defence, everybody had to be alert and ready to react instantly. Instead our defending flank stepped back and was painfully slow of the side of the scrum.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
28 Oct 2019, 17:17
#30
28 Oct 2019, 17:17#30

...just no...???

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Oct 2019, 17:21
#31
28 Oct 2019, 17:21#31

BS again dimness as per normal.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Oct 2019, 17:27
#32
28 Oct 2019, 17:27#32

Sometimes 'no' says it all.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
28 Oct 2019, 18:10
#33
28 Oct 2019, 18:10#33

I'm finding myself a bit isolated. I basically expected the result (and how it would be achieved ) of yesterday's game....and I'm content with it...even happy with it. 

We did just enough to win, without too much worries...we looked in control the whole time. The single Welsh try being the only real slip, but we corrected the error soon after.(All that with Jerome reffing)

 I think we have quite a bit left in the tank. We know we can defend. We know how to beat the Poms..., we know what to expect from them...and we are the underdogs...

Rassie created the perfect storm...the Boks can just go out and play. England  has a great team, but if they think they can only pitch up to collect the trophy, they're in for a rude awakening. 

I'm saying the Boks will be competitive. 


GO BOKKE!!!! THERE ARE NO SUCH THINGS AS BORING WORLD CHAMPS. DON'T LISTEN TO THE HATERS!!!

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Oct 2019, 18:58
#34
28 Oct 2019, 18:58#34
The Poms will be expecting us to kick so we should hit them with an all out attack after say the first 10 min of kicking. Resort back to kicking when the time calls
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Oct 2019, 19:25
#35
28 Oct 2019, 19:25#35

'Haters' geez Draad do we have to have that left wing lingo on here.....next you'll be calling us  'deniers'.


I prefer the term 'realist'.....so far we have beaten Japan, Italy, Canada, Namibia and a very poor Welsh team sans it's two best players. We were comfortably beaten by NZ who were thrashed by the Poms.


It's been an arm chair ride. But we now have a great chance....WC finals are nervy affairs which should level out the  quality advantage the Poms have in the backs and at flank.

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
28 Oct 2019, 19:30
#36
28 Oct 2019, 19:30#36

You guys are deluded. This Bokkies team is crap. We got stick for our world cup route in fifa world cup last year but you guys got thr same thing but even easier then that! Your a fake a sham a total lie. You talk about how crap we are and how better you are but look at the facts pal we are nunero uno and nobody who knows anything about the game would say differently. Bokkies always with the puffed up chests thinking this is 1955 where you actually had something to be proud of. I see that shit all the time. Well your going to get it on Saturday! Of course you'll try to kick and slow thr game down, bring some thugby into it and pray for thr refs to punish us for insolence against kiwis and to keep club South relevant. We'll crush you anyway. We beat the 16th man against two of your brethren and he won't save your assed next up. Time to die! 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
28 Oct 2019, 20:41
#37
28 Oct 2019, 20:41#37

"We were comfortably beaten by NZ"

Not that comfortable at all...we weren't trying to win that at all cost...in fact, a statistician like yourself should know that a victory in that match would have reduced our chances of beating them in the finals...and they were clear favorites to reach the final.

So Moz, if the Boks win it's Rassie's luck, if we lose it's a fair reflection of how poor we are?...Looks to me like youre spreading the odds and want to cover both sides of the tab? Yet Jake White is still regarded as some rugby genius on the back of 2007?

To me the glass is more than half full. We are in the final. The Boks did what was needed when it was needed, without too much effort...and they did it less than 2 years after a 57 - 0 loss to NZ.

The naysayers seems to be implying that the Boks had a free ride into the finals...it's our fault that all but the 6N grandslammers nosedived? 

To top it all, England are suddenly the all out best team in the world by such a margin that the Boks will have to rely on luck to beat them?

South Africa has fairweather supporters indeed.


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