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Started by Mozart20 REPLIES1,103 VIEWS· 07 Jun 2018, 15:16
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jun 2018, 15:16
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07 Jun 2018, 15:16#1
England: 15 Elliot Daly, 14 Jonny May, 13 Henry Slade, 12 Owen Farrell (captain), 11 Mike Brown, 10 George Ford, 9 Ben Youngs, 8 Billy Vunipola, 7 Tom Curry, 6 Chris Robshaw, 5 Nick Isiekwe, 4 Maro Itoje, 3 Kyle Sinckler, 2 Jamie George, 1 Mako Vunipola. Replacements: 16 Luke Cowan-Dickie, 17 Joe Marler, 18 Harry Williams, 19 Brad Shields, 20 Nathan Hughes, 21 Ben Spencer, 22 Piers Francis, 23 Denny Solomona. Some real weaknesses as well....Brown on the wing, Ford....the locks and flanks aren't that impressive. This match could turn on Pollard vs Ford.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jun 2018, 15:34
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07 Jun 2018, 15:34#2

Mozart

Stupid is spelled Mozart nowadays.   He does not realize what bs is in the Springbok team..   They have 8 poor selections and  2 newbies in the SA Team and only 5 reasonable  players.

The Engllish team will win enough turnovers since none of the SA loosies can be accused of being good in ball protection and recovery.   

This will be a disaster for Erasmus and he will have to accept that quotas inevitably will lead to disaster - even more so because the White player election is also really weak.   With that team watch us drpping further in the rankings soon.   

     

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
07 Jun 2018, 15:55
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07 Jun 2018, 15:55#3

Maro Itoje and Nick Isiekwe...excellent Saracen locks both were included in NZ Lions tour...the latter good line out man and Itoje amazing agile as well and capable to run through the wide channels and get turnovers in the ruck.

The front row also good and all 3 were in the Lions tour as well.

The newly selected Boks will struggle against these combos...cannot see Boks winning much ball and our backs are weak in defence.

I think we are in for a big fright sorry to say.


CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Jun 2018, 16:06
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07 Jun 2018, 16:06#4

Yes, I agree.

Throw in a Billy Vunipola and what we have is a lot of go forward and front foot ball for the Poms.

Ford is a good player and so is Owen Farrell. Ben Youngs is also a class act.

We are in for a torrid time.

I love it.

BO
BokBFClub Pro421 posts
07 Jun 2018, 16:18
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07 Jun 2018, 16:18#5

The only place that we potentially have parity is at 9 and 10. Home ground and altitude will count for a bit but not enough. 

This has the feeling of a whitewash.       

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,255 posts
07 Jun 2018, 16:25
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07 Jun 2018, 16:25#6
They have good players, but some positions are pretty weak. The outside backs dont look much of a threat
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Jun 2018, 16:33
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07 Jun 2018, 16:33#7

Jonny May & Mike Brown are seasoned players with oodles of experience. I wouldn't discount them.

We can be assured that they will at least get a lot of ball.

Everything dies with De Allende.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jun 2018, 17:10
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07 Jun 2018, 17:10#8

Whenever you can bring in De Allende you will - must really hate the guy.   He is by some distance the best inside center n SA - has proven it in Super Rugby this year,    

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jun 2018, 20:26
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07 Jun 2018, 20:26#9
Allende is the same centre that put the final nail in the Boks'' coffin at RWC15.....by failing to close down the AB space and enabling the winning try by Barrett. He has no feel for the game, no pass and is a poor tackler.
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
07 Jun 2018, 20:44
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07 Jun 2018, 20:44#10

Preparing for excuses already.


As a reminder, WA head coach saw 3 0, the british press see 3 0.


Two squads under pressure to perform, one is SA, the other is depleted. Going to be a SA involved typical rugby game, that is poor game.

French championship final was shockingly poor, massive SA player involvement, up to now, the worst game watched this season; WA SA was a close on, abyssal stuff, gave headaches .


SA should focus on trying to beat their own record of poor games. They are large favourites to be world champion in that category.

XA
XaviPro1,924 posts
07 Jun 2018, 21:49
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07 Jun 2018, 21:49#11

Saw this on another Forum and thought it was too good not to share.


"My approach to every game in recent times:

1) Pessimism and moaning with my mates for months.
2) 2 weeks before a game the media spin gets me a little excited.
3) Couple days before I'm feeling quietly optimistic
4) Two hours before the game and 6 beers down, I loudly pronounce "Bokke by 20"
5) We lose.
6) Get sad drunk and watch the 1995 World Cup, go to sleep on a bed of tears."
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jun 2018, 23:22
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07 Jun 2018, 23:22#12
It doesn't sting quite like it used to do...these teams since the 2015 WC aren't Springboks and I don't get as frustrated when they lose. That said, wouldn't it be fun to have a team one could wholeheartedly support......nevermore Miranda, nevermore, only the high peaks soar, and the Liesbeek's a torrent at the door.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Jun 2018, 01:19
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08 Jun 2018, 01:19#13

Like losing against Japan  after losing all three RC matches in 2015 .   Pick a better example stooge. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jun 2018, 01:59
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08 Jun 2018, 01:59#14
Tora, Tora, Tora......bereft of ideas to refloat the sinking Bok ship, Commadore Pervert barfs up Japan again. But he will never admit the game was actually lost by Kriel, thankfully now totally axed from the Bok team and the Coenmeister who stupidly got himself carded.
BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
08 Jun 2018, 08:22
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08 Jun 2018, 08:22#15
I have also picked up a habit of not watching the moment things start going South for our teams. Which means I watch a lot of 20 minute rugby matches! As unhappy as I am with quota s and politics etc, I still really want my team to win, and seeing them throw it away is so disappointing. I'd rather stop watching and have just that moment of disappointment, than endure another 60 minutes of it. My hope is always that I'll hear later on that we staged a fantastic comeback and won. This eventuality has basically not happened all year. 
Unfortunately this boils down to me watching less and less of my favourite sport. 
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
08 Jun 2018, 09:18
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08 Jun 2018, 09:18#16

Yeah ... we will look back at the days when we only had 3 or 4 quotas in the side.

The momentum's picked up dramatically under Rassie. Won't be long and we won't see a single white face in the mix at all.



WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
08 Jun 2018, 10:05
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08 Jun 2018, 10:05#17

Meh I reckon your lads can still get the job done ,the Poms heads have been deflated somewhat during the 6N.

Good luck to the Boks ,Aussies Argies and ABs tomorrow !

Kick some NH butt ,it is ever so deserving.

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
08 Jun 2018, 12:04
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08 Jun 2018, 12:04#18

Xavi, that's become the order of the day in SA...hopes dashed...the little spark of hope that occassionally appears with blind and insane optiminism gets snuffed out time and time again.

Quite honestly even the 1995 WC was the more I think of it, interfered with by some hidden dark power that I suspect...I was proud too...Joel Stransky went to my old school so yes it was a red-letter day but when I go back and think more...there were out of the ordinary co-incidences...as if SA just HAD to win...a hook or by crook situation...actually much much bigger than rugby itself.

The semi-final in Durban...the water polo match, I was there...that disallowed French try was NOT short according to honest observers and indeed a very unfair call taking that field was waterlogged...well sometimes the truth hurts too much so I had better belt up.

The AB's poisoning was not a myth but for what motive...gambling syndicates...could be but really we ordinary folk will never know.

Thank goodness I still have my fishing but even that is being limited...you cannot go surf fishing on our beaches after dark.

I'm truly sick and tired of this banana republic.

It still has natural beauty but how long that will last, no one knows...I once went to Kenya...and I lived in Rhodesia for a short time...Africa is like a very beautiful woman who neglects herself and goes to seed...it is a tragedy.


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jun 2018, 14:23
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08 Jun 2018, 14:23#19
Well I think Ireland would slaughter us....I'm sorry to say. But this Pom team is hardly intimidating. Hell they were second last in the Six Nations.....and this team is worse than any team they fielded in that tournament. They are playing at Ellis Park. To me this is a 50/50 game. The breakdown and the front row (hooker and tighthead) is the biggest concern. But the Poms rely heavily on Farrell and we have Allende.....go Tractor!
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Jun 2018, 16:20
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08 Jun 2018, 16:20#20

Mozart

That lie of yours about the Barrett try in the WC has been exposed and dealt with before.  That was not De Allende's mistake at all - but Pietersen not covering the outside recipient of the ball.   You must stop lying about incidents in games - it is getting tiresome to correct your BS all the time.      



CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Jun 2018, 16:27
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08 Jun 2018, 16:27#21

By the way  the  main problem is with the loosies - I have no faith in Kolisi and Vermeulen.   Kolisi under-performed for the Stormers the whole Super Rugby series and Vermeulen did not have a single reasonable game since his injury in 2015.  That lock combination is a nightmare as well.   The line-outs will be a farce with Snyman and Mostert.    I have no f aith in the Hooker and props as well,   

Backline defense will be a problem - Jantjies is atrocious in that regard - Pollard has his own tackling problems  and is by some distance the worst defender in the backline.

We will see tomorrow what happens.    

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