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possible All Blacks team minus all injured players

Started by Monkey D Luffy15 REPLIES330 VIEWS· 19 Aug 2013, 23:34
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
19 Aug 2013, 23:34
#1
19 Aug 2013, 23:34#1

All Blacks
1 t woodcock
2 a hore
3 o franks
4 b retallick
5 s whitelock
6 R McCaw
7 s cane
8 k read
9 a smith
10 t taylor
11 j savea
12 m nonu
13 c smith
14 b smith
15 i dagg

16 k mealamu
17 b franks
18 c faumuina
19 l whitelock
20 b sheilds
21 t kerr barlow
22 c slade
23 r crotty

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
19 Aug 2013, 23:35
#2
19 Aug 2013, 23:35#2

should the injuries that the All Blacks are facing at the moment all rule them out for the upcoming test, then this might be one possible team.

with shields and luke whitelock being test newbies i doubt they will start, instead pushing McCaw over to 6 with s cane starting would be the most logical scenario considering the level of the test.
i wouldnt expect luke whitelock or brad shields to get any serious game time either unless injuries kick in. if the game is tight, they will be lucky to get any gametime at all, a 5min cameo if the game is locked up and at best a 10 min appearance if the All Blacks opened the floodgates early.

tom taylor should probably get the nod ahead of slade, IMO hes in the better form even though slade does have a few test caps under his belt.

having both taylor and slade in the team means that crotty would prob get another run on the bench, as slade can also cover for fullback if required.

not a bad team, but definately not the strongest. playing in NZ is a big help, and i think this team would still beat any combination the wallabies could come up with.

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oimateyPro1,870 posts
20 Aug 2013, 07:11
#3
20 Aug 2013, 07:11#3

Sasuke -  No Luatua? is he hurt as well? 

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
20 Aug 2013, 10:54
#4
20 Aug 2013, 10:54#4

@oimatey,

he was battaling an injury, but it looks like hes going to pull thru.

team was a worst case scenario, ;o)

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Aug 2013, 11:07
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20 Aug 2013, 11:07#5
Sasue Thanls for that one. Hope Luatua can play - he was by far the best loosie of the All Blacks last Saturday - I watched the full game yesterday and although you may scream murder - the generous penalty supply of McCaw put me off. I am supporting Slade ahead of Taylor - so I think he would start - he seems to me judged on Super 15 form - the better of the two players. Hansen is going to do his ordinary - he prefers even one previous test cap to none and like brycy says - he is a Crusaders addict. Slade moving to the Crusaders may clinch the deal. LOL
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SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
20 Aug 2013, 13:26
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20 Aug 2013, 13:26#6

and if Nonu gets done over who then? Smith to inside? 

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
20 Aug 2013, 14:10
#7
20 Aug 2013, 14:10#7

@spoony,

if spmething happens to nonu, then crotty will slot into 12, its why crotty was originlly called into the squad after saili was injured and carter who is the first 12 back up.
but we also have the added bonus of tom taylor, hes the crusaders 12 and in both good nick and form.

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SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
20 Aug 2013, 14:37
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20 Aug 2013, 14:37#8

was reffering to Ben Smith cause we all know the AB need a bloketo smash at 12 to get the go forward mate

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Aug 2013, 16:01
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20 Aug 2013, 16:01#9
Sasue Now for a real juicy discussion - who are the All Black players most likely to be red-carded in games against the Springboks:- Red Cards - 1 Nonu. 2 Retallick Yellow-carded - 1 Nonu, 2 Retallick, 3 McCaw, 4 Whitelock. Joubert was very accommodating as he allowed the All Blacks too many contraventions without carding them. As to serial offenders two penalties and a warning - the third one a yellow card - the forth one another yellow. After his second penalty - McCaw should have been given time to go and cool off - after the fourth penalty Whitelock should have been red-carded after a second yellow. Players should not contravene the laws continuously and use unprofessional measures to stop attacks by opposition teams.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Aug 2013, 16:44
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20 Aug 2013, 16:44#10
Cloudy With respect - I always trust my notes and objective viewing of games as a basis for assessment of performances by players. If there are then arguments about any issue - I check the statistical records of the game as well. Insofar as the actual performances of the four locks are concerned - I left out Romano since he only played for 17 minutes - the position was a s follows a per ESPN Scrum statistics:- * Simmons 0/0 0 0/2/13 23 0 1 0 1 6/0 2/2 2 0/0 * Horwill 0/0 0 0/0/12 28 0 1 0 0 7/1 3/0 0 0/0 * Whitelock 0/0 0 0/0/2 2 0 0 0 0 13/0 2/0 4 1/0 * Retallick 0/0 0 0/2/5 9 0 0 0 0 8/0 1/0 0 0/0 * I will help you a bit with the above interpretations. Between the AB locks they carried the ball 7 times for an 11 meters gain in territory. They made 21 tackles, which is very good, they won 3 line outs - which is atrociously poor for locks. Whitelock gave away 4 penalties and also a yellow card. Bad news that one. Now for the Aussie stats. The two locks carried the ball 23 times for a net gain in territory of 51 meters, They made 13 tackles - missing 1. They took 6 line out balls - two on AB throw-ins. They gave away 2 penalties. There is one component only where the AB locks were better than the Aussie ones and that was defence. However, the more frequent carries of the ball by their opposite numbers could account for most of their tackles. The Wallaby locks took six line out throw-ins - two of which was on AB throw-ins. and they gave away 2 penalties and no cards. From the above - it is evident that the Aussie locks outplayed the AB twosome comprehensively and I stay with my argument in the relevant regard. My initial reaction coincides with yours - Hansen should kick heir butts and tell them to wake up. I am sure they will do better in Wellington.
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PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
20 Aug 2013, 17:12
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20 Aug 2013, 17:12#11
Slade can play exceptionally well, showed so great skill in a losing team during the SR. Can crack under pressure at times. I back him to get the job done. Whats the deal mike you seem self conscious about the bok locks and forwards comparing them to the AB constantly. We will find the truth soon enough my friend. Don't wear yourself out with stats and player profile. It can all blow up in your face come game day. When the player and team exceeds all expectations.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Aug 2013, 17:21
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20 Aug 2013, 17:21#12
Cloudy To be quite frank - I participaye in fantasy selections and my first lock selections are always Whitelock and Etzebeth. That shows what I really think of Whitelock - I rate him highly. I am not so enthusiastic about Retallick though - to my mind he has serious limitations and it is a constant point of disagreement between me and Sasue. However, I am sure he will improve on Saturday and they will put up a better display. Let me go into one further issue - since Saturday I watched the game three times and the main problem I have with the Wallabies was ball handovers while they were actually in possession - sometimes even when they were attacking. That lead to at least two converted tries by the All Blacks.. I would say that if the Wallabies showed better ball retention - the game would have been much closer. That worries me about the game on Saturday and the loss of Cruden is bothering me as well. I hope the players like Nonu, Dag and Read up their game considerably - they were not contributing enough on Saturday. Even then - I think the All Blacks would beat the Wallabies - but I think the margin will be narrower than it was on Saturday
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
20 Aug 2013, 18:43
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20 Aug 2013, 18:43#13

@spoony,

All Blacks dont need a player to smash through in 12, but they would definately prefer it. and if u thought thats what they needed, then why would u suggest ben smith??? o_O
if ben smith goes into the centers it will be for conrad, not nonu as hes an outside center. ive got no problems with him at 12 though, in fact the more i think about it, the more i love the idea of him at 12, but with crotty in the squad it wouldnt be an efficent use of players.

still, nonu despite playing well is on borrowed time, or should i say SBW time, lolz, :oP

@mikey,
its true that retallick and whitelock won three lineouts between the two of them, but they had 8 lineout totals and only 4 were thrown to the locks witht he bulk being thrown to read.
IMO the All Blacks were looking to counter the huge hieght advantage the wallabies had and mix things up a bit, which is why our locks didnt get as much lineout ball, but two from three aint bad.

i wouldnt attribute the number of tackles made by the locks based on the number of ball carries their counterpart makes, LMAo, :oD
i dont beleive for one second u really believe that either, its more down to the fact the wallys simply had more ball then the All Blacks, 60% more ball which is huge.

like the All Blacks as a whole, plenty of things for the team and players to work on, which is scary consdiering the smashing they gave the No3 ranked team in the world,

and papamoa might have a point aye bro??? could lady elizabeths poor performance against the All Blacks in sowetto have u a little worried about the Boks loss coming up in NZ, i mean Boks test match coming up in NZ, lolz, :oP

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Aug 2013, 21:36
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20 Aug 2013, 21:36#14
Sasue I am not worried about Etzebeth - much more so about Alberts - he did nothing in Soweto and is too slow to be a loosie. However, we are not dealing with last year - we are dealing with the present scenario. I do believe that the lock and hooker positions are problematic insofar a the All Blacks are concerned. Those are the two real weak points in the game set up of the AB's Hope it comes right though. .
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
21 Aug 2013, 00:10
#15
21 Aug 2013, 00:10#15

@mikey,

of course ur not worried about lady elizabeth, ur a saffa, lolz, :oP
but for the record, both alberts and lady elizabeth did nothing in sowetto, actually, the both did nothing in dunedin too, with alberts just as invisble and lady elizabet being suspended for not acting like a lady, LMAO o_O
but ur right, were not dealing last year, so lets move on, :o)

the hooker is an area of concern for one reason only and thats the RWC, as far as the RC/4nats is concerend and the immediate future for that matter, our hookers are just fine and ive got zero worries in them what so ever.
we do need a contingency plan for the future though, cos both hore and kev might not last to 2015 either by being dropped or injury, IMO most like the latter thhough.

as for our locks,,,sigh,,,the same ol dance again, lolz, :o)
but have u ever noticed how no kiwis are worried about our issues with the locks??? i cant recall one kiwi here saying weve got problems and while theres been a influx of kiwis here lately, there have been pelnty of kiwis before then and none have even come close to voicing concerns about our healthy lock situation, cos the relaity is that we dont have a problem.
IMO whitelock, romano and retallick are easily in the top 5 locks in the world at the moment, with lady elizabeth and horwill rounding it up, but each to their own and im sure the b oys will come through in fine style again, the same they did last year when the showed lady elizabeth and bekker whose boss, :o)

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
21 Aug 2013, 09:55
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21 Aug 2013, 09:55#16
@ Mike - Im glad you reference the repeated infringement by McCaw and co... The fact the card came out @ 79mins was simply to even the 'stats' for yellow cards received by kiwis in TNs tournaments. Joubert IMO (and many not-so-biased aussies) was definitely favouring the kiwis and the fact he never ONCE reviewed a kiwi try even though many were at least worthy of a second look. The penalty to the kiwis in the 39min? for offside???? where / who???? I have seen a pattern emerge with Joubert and that is he is going the way of Kaplan - favouring any team other than Aussie side. Having said all this - I don't believe he was the reason the aussies didn't win - as you correctly posted above re repeated infringements @ the breakdown - also look @ the subtle leg in the way at the base of the ruck that kiwis have no doubt practiced to the art of perfection... This slows halfback down and ultimately those extra seconds? / milliseconds allow kiwi defence to get up.. Joubert has fallen from top spot after this showing IMO coupled with 2011 RWC final and Bulls v Reds this year - his performances are becoming less and less consistent and more anti-Australian..............
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