Possible Bok starting XV v England (team to be named on Thursday):

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ossible Bok starting XV v England (team to be named on Thursday):

15 Willie le Roux/Warrick Gelant, 

14 S’bu Nkosi, 

13 Lukhanyo Am, 

12 Damian de Allende/Frans Steyn, 

11 Aphiwe Dyantyi, 

10 Handre Pollard, 

9 Faf de Klerk, 

8 Duane Vermeulen,

 7 Jean-Luc du Preez, 

6 Siya Kolisi (capt), 

5 Pieter-Steph du Toit/Franco Mostert, 

4 RG Snyman, 

3 Trevor Nyakane, 

2 Bismarck du Plessis, 

1 Tendai Mtawarira.

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That is the team listed by Houwing,   I bet you Jones will be very happy to see Mostert and Dat Frsnsie playing for the Springboks.   Mostert is a lighweoeght forward recently playing at 7 for the Lions and Fat Fransie a serial flop for Momtpellier - where the injured Serfontein for most of the season was Montpellier's preferred no 12.  

Sure Fat Fransie was a serious flop when he cane off the bench for the Springboks last year.  We are discussing the team for Saturday and certain possible selections shitbrain - and not the past.  

He did come off the  bench in his latest appearance for the Springboks  and after running about 50 meters he was totally out of breath - Shit brain.   In any event I want him to start or be on the bench for the Springboks to flop as in Plumtree's words he is no center at all and Shitbbrain may learn something about rugby at last.   Desperately needed in your case.   

That side is based on who was left behind. I somehow think it'll include a few of the chumps that just had their asses handed to them.

Jantjies will be in the mix and so will Ralapelle.

Heaven help us if that's our starting front row. Two geriatrics in Beast and Bismarck ... with a "Big Mac" at 3.

There's been so much talk about the tactical brilliance of Rassie Erasmus and yet I saw none of that on Saturday. Some folk have expected our best players to feature ... and yet, I've seen none of that either.

Why would he bring a spent force like Bismarck and Duane into the mix when in all honesty we have an assortment of better options available?

Perhaps it's because he isn't the rugby genius he's been made out to be. Let's face it ... selecting Stick as his assistant was a foolhardy thing to do ... a poor decision, based on racist principals ... a bad start to his term as Bok coach.

The Goats were pathetic on Saturday. Poor selections ... no game plan ... they looked like a poorly coached side ... without direction, no leadership ... headless chickens.

That result was inevitable.

I'm afraid he isn't the messiah we were hoping for. He could turn out to be even worse at the task than Alisterr Coetzee. I never thought that that was possible.

Well, I'm not the huge Rassie fan that Beeno is, but he did send a good prepared team to the 2011 RWC. He had the team for a few weeks before Snôre took them over to NZ.

As for the weekend? How much can anyone do in a week, travel to WDC included?

I hated the bloody scrummy box kicks with the ruck extensions.... that should be banned ASAP! Thought we saw the last of that with Hougaart's departure.  Abomination of note!

So what you're saying, Draad is that we can expect a better performance against the Poms, right? ... or will it be case of "how much can anyone do in two weeks, traveling back from WDC" blah, blah, blah ... laid out as an excuse if we lose?

Why are we constantly looking for excuses? Either he's a good coach ... or he isn't. Either he's going to live up to Mike's hype ... or he isn't.

Usually a good coach will make good decisions right from the start.

So far we've seen him select a quota as his backline coach, who by the way was fired a year ago for incompetence. With his appointment came a whole lot of justifications in support. Things like "He's not a backline coach per se, but rather one who brings a different set of skills to the mix. Getting off the mark quicker etc". That's what he sold us. Did you see any of that on Saturday? I didn't.

We have also seen him select a host of undeserving players. Guys like Ralepelle, Bismarck, Beast, Nyakane, Oupa, Kolisi, Jantjies, De Allende, Kriel, Vermealen ... man alive ... does the list ever end? That doesn't fill me with confidence at all ... especially after what I saw on Saturday.

He also took an out of form blindside flank and gave him the captaincy. He's busy teaching him the trade of how to play on the openside now ... a crash course so to speak ... and has every intention of playing him there against the Poms. 

Rassie said that the team he sent to face Wales was not a "B" side. They looked more like a "D" side to me ... played like one too ... and then after the dust settled ... they returned home with another Bok loss.

He's supposed to be our Messiah ... according to Mike anyway.

Nah ... let's accept the fact that what we have here is another Coetzee type ... all mouth. 

Draad and CC

I do not think one should judge Erasmus  purely on what happened on Saturday.   However, there are bad signs too ad I agree with you about selection. of real duds - but maybe this was done to keep the politicos happy.   He can for instance then claim that e gave the players a chance to play - but they failed.

I do think that Erasmus  may have specified box kicks as an option to be done by players - but they overdid it and ended up handing possession over to the opposition constantly.   After halftime hey did less of those kicks - but am sick of that type of game plan.

There will always be disagreement as to selections.   However, we will see what happens on Thursday what Erasmus has in mind.   The other indicator would be who is to be dropped who is to be dropped from the initial squad.   Those 15 plyers will give us an indication whether he is serious about getting what he regards as the best available players against the English together.

I still think Erasmus would be an improvement on his two dud predecessors. .        .       

As you said, Mike ... it is early days.

Also ... he has a difficult task ahead of him. There are so many injuries to key players ... and some of those players next in line are light years behind. Let's face it ... the chasm between a Eben Etzebeth and a RG Snyman is vast ... or a Malcolm Marx and a Chiliboy Ralepelle ... or a Ox and a Kitshoff. There just is no comparison.

Throw the 50% quota mix in (which he's keen to implement) and suddenly his task becomes a nightmare. It's all of his own doing and I'm very curious to see how he handles it.

I certainly hope Rassie isn't inclined to be so treacherous. Setting a team up to fail just to prove a point is totally unethical. I somehow don't think he would be that devious. His quest is to promote the black man. I can't see him shying away from that.

Come hell or high water, we are going to see a quota riddled side. Our only hope is that he selects the best of the sorry lot ... and ... that all the white boys he includes are the very best we have. We cannot afford to have guys like Jesse Kriel, Bismarck, Vermeulen and De Allende in the mix. They have to make up the short fall ... not be liabilities themselves.

Wth rooitwits unfortunate demise wee cc is pusging hard to be the oak who gets it wrong! Hahhahahahahaha hilarious of course! Note the following and oh my aching sides!

here's been so much talk about the tactical brilliance of Rassie Erasmus and yet I saw none of that on Saturday. Yep wee cc expects it all to come together ar once -amazing ignorance.

Some folk have expected our best players to feature ... and yet, I've seen none of that either. Who the heck are these clowns expecting to see our best players feature!!! Seems wee cc has no clue whatsoever!!

Why would he bring a spent force like Bismarck and Duane into the mix when in all honesty we have an assortment of better options available? Such as? Marx is out and Akkers could well start. Chill Boy is a quota. 

Perhaps it's because he isn't the rugby genius he's been made out to be. Let's face it ... selecting Stick as his assistant was a foolhardy thing to do ... a poor decision, based on racist principals ... a bad start to his term as Bok coach.Heard of quotas wee cc?

The Goats were pathetic on Saturday. Poor selections ... no game plan ... they looked like a poorly coached side ... without direction, no leadership ... headless chickens. Wales wee as bad and they had no quotas etc

That result was inevitable. inevitable you say, when and how dd Wales finally win the match and by how much and you say it was inevitable. Bwahahahahahhaahhahahahahaha

This post has to be one of poor cc's worst efforts and one hopes he apples those few lonely brain cells before posting such drivel. Also one hopes wee cc stops uses computer assisted help when playing chess! Dense vs setting him a bad example! 

Also ... he has a difficult task ahead of him. There are so many injuries to key players ... and some of those players next in line are light years behind. Let's face it ... the chasm between a Eben Etzebeth and a RG Snyman is vast ... or a Malcolm Marx and a Chiliboy Ralepelle ... or a Ox and a Kitshoff. There just is no comparison. 

Throw the 50% quota mix in (which he's keen to implement) and suddenly his task becomes a nightmare. 

It's all of his own doing and I'm very curious to see how he handles it.

So the injuries are Rassie's fault and so are enforced quotas. Ou cc is cracking up!!! By the way cc what do you think wi ll happen to Rassie if he doesn't take the quota story seriously?

Well, BeanDip ... we've all seen how fervently you've supported Fleck these last two seasons ... and yet you poor dears aren't doing so well under him ... are you?

Yeah ... I know. You guys don't really care about your log position ... and all the thumpings you've received are simply chalked down to a team learning for future seasons.

LOL!!

It's a relief to hear that we don't agree on most things. I would be really concerned if my views were on par with yours ... so thanks for setting my mind at ease.  

He will be in breach of his contract.

You tell me ... what usually happens to those in breach of the contracts?

Hmmmm ... ?

Ummm ... BeanDip ... Rassie is in favour of the quota mix.

He's taken it upon himself to right all the white man's "wrongs" ...

A black capt playing out of position ... a black assistant coach ... extensive quota selection for the coming season. None of this was forced upon him.

Try to keep up will you.

A dismal future - but in line what is happening all over the show to Whites in SA.   The only Whites who will remain in SA are those above 50 who cannot find work in other countries.  By 2025 the White population in SA will number less than 1 million as things are going downhill fast.  .