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Problem with the 2015 rugby world cup draw

Started by kingcorn6 REPLIES244 VIEWS· 24 Feb 2014, 16:33
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KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
24 Feb 2014, 16:33
#1
24 Feb 2014, 16:33#1

I just had a look at the draw and for the life me I can't help but think that this draw is flawed. Firstly, how can you seed teams 3 years before the world cup. If the IRB had a proper international window in place and ensure that the test matches count towards the seeding at the world cup, we would probably end up with less of joke teams being sent to the southern hemisphere. If they had a proper league, teams can be rated accordingly. Internationals should be only scheduled at the end of each international window to ensure that all teams play each other enough to get an accurate ranking. There actually only 10 test teams so I don't see how this can be a problem. You only need 3 tiers. Tier 1 NZ, SA, Aus, Eng; Tier 2 Wales, Ireland, France, Samoa; Tier 3 Arg, Scotland, Fiji, Tonga. 


There is a 2 and half year cycle to get all of these rankings in, I have included the Brittish and Irish tour which mean we only get half a season. In a world cup you probably don't want to have any rankings and probably want to enable your team to prepare for the tournament with non-ranking games. Probably the only year when weak teams can be sent. Needs more thinking, but it can be done, but I'm leaning towards tours. Home and Away with 2 test matches.  


Back to the world cup draw 


It looks like New Zealand and SA are destined to meet in the Semi's. England, Wales and Australia have been drawn in the same group, but none of them are world beaters at the moment, but if you have to go on current rankings, 3 of the top 6 teams are in the same group. 


The winner of group A seems to have an easier run to the Semi's and finals as they would only need to face France. So it looks if England were to win their pool it will be a Semi between France and England.


France have by far the easiest run to the finals. They have Ireland and Italy in their pool, face off with Argetina in the Quarters, unless Argetina can beat NZ which is highly unlikely. That leave France to either play, England, Australia or Wales in the Semis. Pretty much a clear run to the final. 


South Africa has the easiest pool but a hard quarter final that could see them face Wales / Australia or England. 


New Zealand also has a easy run to the Semi's, they only have to worry about facing Ireland or France in the Quarters. 


Ultimately you want to see the best two teams play in the finals and at the moment it is NZ and SA


My pools would be based on current rankings


A) NZ > Samoa > Tonga > Georgia > Uruguay

B) SA > France > Fiji > Canada > Russia

C) Aus > Wales > Scotland > Italy > USA

D) Eng > Ire > Arg > Japan > Romania


Q1 Winner A vs Runner-up B

Q2 Winner B vs Runner-up A

Q3 Winner C vs Runner-up D

Q4 Winner D vs Runner-up C


S1 Q1 Winner vs Q4 Winner

S2 Q2 Winner vs Q3 Winner


Finals


I think that France is a better team and if the rankings played a factor, they probably would have played better.

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
24 Feb 2014, 17:13
#2
24 Feb 2014, 17:13#2
 The rankings does come into play, KC, but I thinkit would have been the rankings at the end of 2012. I may be wrong but I am sure that I read something to that effect somewhere.

Edit:

Found it.

The first round, or pool stage, sees the 20 teams divided into four pools of five teams, using the same format that was used in 2003, 2007 and in 2011. The pool stage draw was conducted at the Tate Modern on 3 December 2012 at 15:00 GMT, and divided the 12 automatic qualifiers into three bands according to their place in the most recent IRB World Rankings.[29][30]

The bands are as follows (Note, in brackets are pre-seeding rankings:[31][32]

  • Band 1: New Zealand (1), South Africa (2), Australia (3), France (4)
  • Band 2: England (5), Ireland (6), Samoa (7), Argentina (8)
  • Band 3: Wales (9), Italy (10), Tonga (11), Scotland (12)
  • Band 4: Oceania 1, Europe 1, Asia 1, Americas 1
  • Band 5: Africa 1, Europe 2, Americas 2, Playoff winner

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
24 Feb 2014, 22:31
#3
24 Feb 2014, 22:31#3
 I Still think that it stinks, everybody builds up to the World Cup and only decide to pitch at the World Cup. If there was a global league nobody would dare to send week teams. 
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
24 Feb 2014, 22:32
#4
24 Feb 2014, 22:32#4
 I Still think that it stinks, everybody builds up to the World Cup and only decide to pitch at the World Cup. If there was a global league nobody would dare to send week teams. 
FI
FirstFiveRookie75 posts
25 Feb 2014, 03:03
#5
25 Feb 2014, 03:03#5
Agreed KC the seedings back then were still NZ1 and SA2. But the draw is flawed in that all Bands are randomly drawn into a pool, and hence we now have the expected outcome of a semifinal being NZ vs SA. It should be done a la tennis where the Band 1 (top 4) sides are preset at opposite ends of the draw. The rest of the pools can then be drawn at random.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
25 Feb 2014, 04:22
#6
25 Feb 2014, 04:22#6
It seems like the Northern Hemisphere have a major hand in creating the tournament, and it is always slightly bent to make sure the Southern Hemisphere do not totally dominate the tournament, which in many cases should be the case.
 
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
25 Feb 2014, 10:53
#7
25 Feb 2014, 10:53#7
 I think if the Northern hemisphere got their clubs in order we would not see this rubbish. They are completely club led. Look at France and their 6 nations. The guys play two test matches, go back to their clubs for one week and then back to the 6 nations. France has the highest paid league but probably produces the worst international team in comparison. 
That is why we should have an international window, probably in September / October. Same as the world cup. Play home and away over that period, we will see the best rugby as per season wise the weather is better up north but not warm down south.
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