Promising new players

I agree, let's hope they can make the next step up.

The Currie Cup, certainly the games I watched, were poor. It's like Serie C compared to Serie A. It's obviously an important step for players, but the leap they take into super rugby is enormous. From there into test rugby is almost as daunting, if not more so. We can't make so many of these rash proclamations based on so little. 

Mozart and AO

You both see minimal rugby in SA and your assessments of player performances prove that.   

It never hit home yet that the last year under Meyer was a disgrace and you find all kinds of excuses but never was prepared to really discovered why it happened.   Whatever you came up thus far is total and utter BS.

Now back to the CC.   Just a  question is there a difference in the quality of rugby played  in the CC in the period 2014 and 2015 compared to the quality this year.   There is substantial proof that the present season was much better than what was played in 2014 and 2015.

The cc is the feeding ground for SR - where all bar a few  will beat the NH club teams.   There are virtually no players who do not perform well on CC that do not play in the  SR series and who in the end becomes Springbok candidates.  

There is a difference - unlike Meyer whose selection norms rarely contains reference to performance.   It was al about anything but - while Erasmus norm is based on performance.

Mozart and AO

You both see minimal rugby in SA and your assessments of player performances prove that.   

It never hit home yet that the last year under Meyer was a disgrace and you find all kinds of excuses but never was prepared to really discovered why it happened.   Whatever you came up thus far is total and utter BS.

Now back to the CC.   Just a  question is there a difference in the quality of rugby played  in the CC in the period 2014 and 2015 compared to the quality this year.   There is substantial proof that the present season was much better than what was played in 2014 and 2015.

The cc is the feeding ground for SR - where all bar a few  will beat the NH club teams.   There are virtually no players who do not perform well on CC that do not play in the  SR series and who in the end becomes Springbok candidates.  

There is a difference - unlike Meyer whose selection norms rarely contains reference to performance.   It was al about anything but - while Erasmus norm is based on performance.

Give it less than two years and most of these hot prospects will have bellied up.

Not an issue for SA rugby tale mill, as SA keep pushing out way too many wannabee rugby players relatively to the market, a new list will be issued.

Rinse.

Repeat.

Mozart

Another covert attack by Mozart on Erasmus.   The negativity has its origins in the hubris  so adored by YOU - the madness called the Meyer era.

No Mozart

What you wrote above is quoted:-

"I think Rassie has been spot on tactically, shedding the laughable 'expansive rugby' you support, for a balanced game including tactical kicking. He has been less clear in his selections and blundered with the bench in the last test. 

The "expansive game" I support has never been something you knew anything about.   It entails in the main using of all 15 rugby players in both defense and attack and requires variation in attacking or even defending mechanisms.   The story about kicking was also misrepresented - I believe in strategic kicking as a variation - you never understoo d the meaning of that term,  Recently you even queried whether there is anything like "aimless kicking".     

After years of preaching by you to the effect that 90% of the functions of flyhalfs relate to kicking of balls and the BS we suffered under Meyer and Coetzee - Erasmus is doing exactly what I have been advocating for years and you have been opposing for years. 

Still smarting about being caught out iro the replacement of Le Roux?   

I hope to see Nkosi starting  next weekend. If not for his injury I think he might have been the talk of the town rather than just Dyantyi. 

Agreed.

Mike, stop embarrassing yourself. The Boks are playing exactly the brand of rugby you said was backward doff rugby. As I showed in the stats comparison between this year and last, there is a significant drop in ball-in-hand rugby this year. All those aimless kicks, Steph at flyhalf, all that defending. No, Rassie is making a complete mockery of your devotion. I love it! 

AO

If you cannot read and understand English - please do not come up with nonsense,   I never said anything about the brand of rugby that Erasmus is playing other than praising it.

The rugby I criticize that was dof was the BS we got used to under Meyer and Coetzee - which was totally different from what the team under Erasmus produces    

You wrote some daydreams of the game plan of Meyer - if there indeed was one - that was never seen on the field of play in the last two years of his coaching.   What you wrote was indeed BS in buckets.   

There are zero similarities between what Meyer's teams produced and the rugby played under Erasmus, Whereas I criticized both Meyer and Coetzee for having coached players to play a game plan that could not produce 15 man rugby and in the amin centers around 10 or 11 man rugby, you two cwas in all-out support of the BS dished up.   Now suddenly you two are the ones who claim you support the rugby game plan of Erasmus - something both of you were vehemently against in the past.   

IT IS REALLY FUNNY TO SEE HOW DESPERATE YOU ARE TO TRY AND DISOWN THE BS YOU WROTE IN THE PAST.      

Mozart

Are you really serious in crediting Meyer with any such game plan?  Fact is Meyer had a game plan that strictly forbid playing a ball in hand game.  He was  the one who said that the Springbok backline players do not have the skills to play such a game,   He also picked loosies some of whom were totally incapable of ball protection and recovery.

His so-called territo ry game consisted of two many aimless and possession turnover kicks and his selections from November 2014 and the EC squad was crazily based on reputation players without regard to performance,   Some of hiss elections for the WC squad did not even play rugby for up to 18 months before the WC.  Meyer himself said that reputation was the norm for his selections and the unfortunate part was that those players were incapable of playing the rugby you  describe as  equivalent to what the Springboks played this year.

No Mozart the story about defense is another issue that can be due to a vast improvement I the tackling by especially Du Toit at loosie.   Players like Louw, Vermeulen, Burger  and Alberts never made more than 10 to 12  tackles a game.  For that reason you invented the mystery term  "process tackles" in a n effort to cover up for the deficiencies of your favoured players.

What you and AO are totally silent about are the try-scoring issue, because it put pay to all the myths spread about Meyer and Coetzee coaching terms.   That on its own showed in 2018 more of a 15 man game with most of the tries actually scored by backline players.

The one topic that started sliding backwards as early as 2014 was the issue of the effective usage of driving mauls in tests. You tried to sidetrack discussion on that issue coming up with really trivial issues and OA ran for cover.  That remains the key poor element Erasmus inherited from his predecessors and he has not solved as yet.   

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Maxwane has been doing the damage again today with another double. Fast , elusive and can bust tackles.. One of the Cheetahs standout players.