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Quade Cooper to start against Boks- other changes also likely

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
25 Aug 2013, 22:31
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25 Aug 2013, 22:31#1

 WALLABIES coach Ewen McKenzie has strongly suggested he will make changes to the team for the Test against the Springboks in Brisbane on Saturday week after the team lost the Bledisloe Cup series for the 11th consecutive year.

 

McKenzie remained faithful to the players who lost 47-29 to the All Blacks in the opening Bledisloe Cup Test in Sydney two weeks ago, but that faith has been tested by their 27-16 loss to the Kiwis in Wellington on Saturday night.

 

Asked whether he would make changes, McKenzie said: "It is a different team. There will be different strategies. The base game doesn't change. We will have a different focus. We'll go back and have a look at the team again for sure.

 

"I have to have a look at what the contribution was and whether guys are improving and understanding where they fit into the team and what we need to do against the Springboks.

"It is a different game completely, so we'll have a good look at that."

Fullback Jesse Mogg's neck is on the chopping block for the Springboks Test after another performance marred by errors, including not finding touch with clearing kicks.

 

Dropping Mogg would enable McKenzie to start one of the wingers Israel Folau or James O'Connor at fullback.

 

Folau and O'Connor have been the Wallabies' most dangerous attacking threats this year, but they have not been as involved as much as the Wallabies would like on the wing, particularly Folau, who scored the team's only try on Saturday night from an intercept.

 

"We'll look at everything," McKenzie said. "Last week James O'Connor was criticised (for his defence). This week I thought he did pretty well. . . . He didn't run as many metres.

"Folau topped the metreage. Obviously, the intercept makes a big difference. He was good off kick-offs. Got some balls back for us. We'll have a look and see what we need to do."

After coming off the bench for the first two Tests, mercurial five-eighth Quade Cooper is likely to start against the Springboks on his home ground at Suncorp Stadium.

McKenzie may have been protecting Cooper by bringing him off the bench against the All Blacks, who would have targeted him if he had started. Still public enemy No 1 in New Zealand, Cooper was booed every time he touched the ball, but he will be more comfortable in Brisbane.

"As good as anyone else's at this point," McKenzie said of Cooper's chances of starting. "I haven't thought about it."

McKenzie said rookie five-eighth Matt Toomua played more the way he wanted him to in Wellington than he had in Sydney. "The balance in his game was much better," McKenzie said. "He ran the ball. He took the line on. He kicked well. And he obviously passed."

McKenzie said the reserves bench was ineffectual, and indicated there could be changes. "I talk about finishers. You want guys to come on and improve the performance.

"It is no good if they come on and are knocking on and missing tackles and that's effectively what happened.

"Twenty-five per cent of our missed tackles came from the bench. That was disappointing. They are only on for the last 15 to 20 minutes. I expect more."

Reserve prop Sekope Kepu would have a scan on an injured hamstring, but loose-head prop James Slipper had recovered from the head knock he received while attempting to tackle All Blacks inside centre Ma'a Nonu.

While the Wallabies improved on their Sydney match, it was still too little to master the All Blacks, who outscored them two tries to one, with winger Ben Smith collecting a double after his hat-trick in Sydney.

The Wallabies achieved a better balance between running and kicking, but they made too many unforced errors and defensive lapses, particularly one on one.

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carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
26 Aug 2013, 00:57
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26 Aug 2013, 00:57#2

the aussie generally play much better with cooper at the helm calling the shots but i am very concerned with how we handle hooper at the breakdown. that might be the real deciding factor for me in this game. if the game is to up tempo expect louw and vermeulen to be 10m behind the 8 ball come ruck time. we will pip them in the forwards but this will be the real big test for us.

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
26 Aug 2013, 01:22
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26 Aug 2013, 01:22#3

Boks will be up against it. Suncorp only homeground advantage stadium Aussies have and coming of rigged losses involving 2x Saffa refs wallabies be hurting bad especially given the backlash re refs here. Don't expect good reffing as I think the time has come where refs determine outcomes more than players.... Remember it is a commercial enterprise and not just sport.....

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
26 Aug 2013, 01:28
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26 Aug 2013, 01:28#4

i dont know why so many saffas (and saffa wannabes) have such misleading titles on their threads.
despite the very warranted speculation, there is no truth to cooper starting this weekend.
FACT the wallabies team has not been named.

very smart move from mackenzie though if he does start cooper against the Bok, cos IMO he had no doubt the wallabies didint stand a chance against the mighty mighty All Blacks, so by letting toomua play in both tests, he has effectively let them cooped the blame for the wallabies poor performances and can inject his much preferred reds players against the Boks instead of the sending his queens landers to the slaughter like he did the brumbies.

i think mogg has proven very ineffectual at fullback, so has mowen who i rated highly during the spXV, both players need to go on the bench.

james slipper is a useless loosehead, owen franks destroyed him around the park and just heaped a world of punishment and pain on slipper during the scrums. scott sio needs to come in ASAP, hes a million time better at loosehead then slipper is on his best day.

alexander has proven to be a flop too, maybe slipper can slide down one, IMO tighthead is slippers natural position anyway.

horwil and genia were pretty shit, they have been all year, other then horwils solid showing last week, the two have had mediocre games all year.
genia has had the odd touch which was great here and there, but for a player who pretty much plays the bulk of the 80mins every game, hes been a big and huge yawn.
this is disappointing for the wallabies, as both are key players and a great barometer in judging how the wallabies are preforming.
 
folau was average against the All Blacks, a couple of good touches and an intercept that helped inflate his stats, but hes still to green for this level and the wallabies dont know how to use him correctly.
put him at fullback, the more times he has the ball, the worse it is for the opposition, its IMO really that simple.

have no problems with oconner out at 15, but hes going to be great anywhere, so i will leave him as is.

it could also free up the possibility of bringing in speight to the No14???

the bench were all kak, provided fresh legs but no impact, douglas and gill were ok, but the wallabies need more then what they brought to the table.

my wallabies team would be,,,
1 s sio, 2 s moore, 3 j slipper, 4 r simmons, 5 j horwill, 6 m hooper, 7 l gill, 8 s fardy, 9 w genia, 10 c leilafnao, 11 b cummins, 12 j oconner, 13 AAC, 14 p beteham, 15 i folau
16 s faainga, 17 b alexander, 18 s kepu, 19 k douglas, 20 b mowen, 21 n white, 22 m toomua, 23 j mogg

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
26 Aug 2013, 01:40
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26 Aug 2013, 01:40#5

 Sasuke- the original title was- 

 

  1. Quade Cooper in line to take on Springboks The Australian ‎- 7 hours ago WALLABIES coach Ewen McKenzie has strongly suggested he will make changes to the team for the Test against the Springboks in Brisbane ...     Agreed that it is not conclusive and was actually the thought I had. Also that it seemed if anyone is going to get cut it was Mog.   Although I do think Cooper looked better in the 1st test and is due a start especially as it is in Brisbane
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
26 Aug 2013, 01:47
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26 Aug 2013, 01:47#6

Red the level of ref bashing is directly proportionate to how pathetic yr team is playing.

And Redsman not even a thankyou for the try we gifted you on Saturday?

How ungrateful can you get?

 

I'm expecting more aimless kicking from OZ again this wek. A game of force back if you like as both teams seem to specialize in this along with whining about the ref.

Neither team has demonstrated any real flair , Try not to put us to sleep will you.

 

But ref bashing is just a diversionary tactic Red to divert the fans attention away from how useless the coach Colonel CLink or the team in yr case the Woeful Wobblies have been.

 

If losing upsets you so much. Simple don't watch it go walkabout instead like yr ancestors have done for a millenium

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
26 Aug 2013, 08:06
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26 Aug 2013, 08:06#7
The obvious cultural distinction between aussies and kiwis: is the belief and core value of aussie culture of giving one "a fair go". Something that individuals like Brycey know nothing of... and you probably live here too.... Re QC - I disagree I would prefer to see Toomua start @ 10 again as I think hes building and is more complete player than QC in terms of defence and kick. Folau needs to go to 15 - I would have liked to see this on the weekend as well - but Link being the loyal 'fair go' aussie bloke gave Mogg another crack - think Mogg destined for bench. On that note would have loved to see him run it rather than put bombs up all the damn time.......................
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
26 Aug 2013, 09:08
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26 Aug 2013, 09:08#8

Redsman how can you talk about culture when you tried to exterminate all the aborigines and their culture. by shooting them like dogs.

 

Why also if 'a fair go' is a core Aussie value is yr country being reported in todays paper as nastier than the Taleban. Makes a complete mockery of yr claim i think.

 

At least in NZ we are nurturing our indigenous culture and TeReo Maori is an official language which i am happy to converse in with you.

 

Face it Red life is'nt fair and fair dinkum is'nt a core value. It's just Aussie slang.

Just shows McKenzie up to be weak if he can't make the hard decisions and he won't last five minutes in the job if he does'nt get ruthless.

 

 

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
27 Aug 2013, 08:02
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27 Aug 2013, 08:02#9
Mundine brought it all on himself - as for QC's treatment in new Zealand that is reprehensible... and shows the type of character flaw in the fabric of society there... that's just plain vindicative, rude and lacking class.... re indigenous Australians - big topic that one - but you do realise that within the 'Australian aboriginal' culture there were / are some 50+ different languages/dialects.... which one would you like to see spoken and taught?? Furthermore as with kiwi maoris big social problems exist not denying it = you speak of redfern but I believe south Auckland the kiwi equivalent??? In both countries large % of this population have endemic social problems - but its the world we are living in. My point refers to the 'spirit of sportsmanship and fairness' something that kiwis obviously have way done the list on their values hierarchy.... I also would assume that you haven't travelled beyond the east coastal populated areas in Australia or you wouldn't make such a comment re Australia having no culture.................
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Aug 2013, 08:19
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27 Aug 2013, 08:19#10
Redsman Don't worry - whomsoever MacKenzie selects - will be better than any team selected form Meyer's bird-brained squad, I also do not rate Mogge Is there anything in that empty brain cavity Mogge is carrying around?
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redsmanPro1,710 posts
27 Aug 2013, 08:52
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27 Aug 2013, 08:52#11
Hey Mike - re Mogg - just young and inexperienced still - hes super quick 10.5sec for 100metres I just wiosh he use that like he did for the brumbies in early part of the season. To add to this his got a massive (for an aussie) left boot and can easily punt further than rest of aussie options. So Mogg was a decent choice but I think bench is it for him and PLEASE folau to Fullback - and say RUN boy RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WG
What's going on?Club Pro237 posts
27 Aug 2013, 09:07
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27 Aug 2013, 09:07#12

Red you dirty convict heres a good example of the great Aussie sportsmanship you're referring to i think.

Also reffered to as the most disgraceful moment in cricket history.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K65_spUU05s

RU
RugganutClub Pro183 posts
27 Aug 2013, 09:34
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27 Aug 2013, 09:34#13

Redsman- I think most Bok supporters are really fed up with Meyer. We see great talent being unearthed in S15 and this not being transfered to our national side.

 

I say this with a very heavy heart. I hope we get bashed sideways and loose by 30 points in both away tests. This is our only hope of getting rid of our clown ' Meyer'. If we manage to win one away game it will keep him in his job for the next 2 years which will set SA Rugby back 10 years.

 

SA Rugby has not been in a better place for some time but Springbok Rugby has not been in a worse place in the last 20 years. Springbok Rugby is seriously TOXIC.

 

IH
IhiClub Pro201 posts
27 Aug 2013, 13:56
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27 Aug 2013, 13:56#14
This is terrible news! Australia always play worse with Cooper, he does nothing, offers nothing. He tries to do everything on his own and gets repetitive and he still CANT tackle. Especially if you have Genia, you just cant play Cooper, we end up playing 10 man rugby with Cooper and Genia fighting for attention. On the plus side the Boks have a really good away record the past 5 years but New Zealand and Brisbane have to still be conquered. The Boks wont be facing such intense physicality for the rest of the season but the will be stretched hard and Willie and JJ will be exposed. I see Mogg is being trashed on for doing things that Willie has been doing in every game at 15, but the good he brings isnt being brought up, pathetic. Gurthro needs to start, he is really good around the park and your scrum is WAAAY better with him. It was the scrum that lost you guys a test in Australia last year, yep we nabbed 12 points from it. Boks substandard immobile forwards are going to be run ragged. Why is Meyer building a pack like the Sharks? Yeah its strong but is easy to stop because its so slw and blunt. Vermeulen really hasnt done anything better than Spies either. If Pienaar plays then its over. Australia by 9.
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