CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Oct 2014, 21:08#2
Sharky
I do think Coetzee was really on the road to nowhere halfway through Suiper 15, but when Gert Smal was made Dierector of Rugby. Whether the improvement is a result of Smal's efforts or the improvement by Coetzee is a really big question.
SHSharky54
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SHSharky54Club Pro247 posts
20 Oct 2014, 21:12#3
Mike - So you are happy to let him stay on ?
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Oct 2014, 23:16#4
No I think we should get in a real coach. Coetzee was a quota appointment to the Boks probably forced on Jake much like Loubsher the current Bok backline coach has been forced on Meyer. I have no time at all for these race based appointments. Let coaches earn their promotions by proving their worth. Loubscheer was the bulle Vodacom Cup backline coach with little experience. its ludicrous to have him on board
We had ou pdv foist on us and I feel the same way about Alistair. He flopped as a Bok backline coach and was rewarded by being made WP coach. That is typical SAracism which abounds in all spheres of endeavour. However after real coaches like Mallet and Rassie walked out of WP one wonders how long Smal will last. We shall see.
I do note that Alistair reports to Smal an indication that something was not working.
We pussy foot around th ese things too much. Away with race based appointments.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Oct 2014, 23:20#5
Coetzee is a poor coach he must go. Get Mallet o n board
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Oct 2014, 08:13#7
I think it is possible Alistair is more a sop to affrimative action. A figure head.
I think he is a decent enough guy but it's all quota stuff really. Like ou pdv he will never be offered an overseas appointment of any note.
Anyhow we hope that the Stormers do well next year and put to bed the injury bug which a more balanced style of rugby may help with. Thereafter it is about how many matches we lose because of bent down under refs!!! We need to be a lot better than the down under sides to get anywhere.
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Oct 2014, 09:52#9
Biltongbek please reform your allegiances!!! You do you support in anycase?
I think the change to a more balanced style of rugby is permanent. We have the players to attack with. No going back now. BUT we do not want ill conceived helter skelter rugby run it at all costs either. Good decision making and non predictablility are key concepts. I fear the Lions maybe a bit too helter skelter when it comes to Super Rugby. However one salutes them for a great deal of improvement.
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Oct 2014, 10:34#11
Biltongbek, with a little cutting off of the rough edges, an appreciation for the best we could make a Province man of you!
Biltingbek it's not good enough to not support a particular team. It's like sitting on the fence stuff. Fairweather friend stuff! Man up Biltongbek and select a team to support. I highly recomment SA's premier outfit to you!
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Oct 2014, 12:46#13
I am completely free of bias!! The two ar not necessarily linked can can be I grant you!
SHSharky54
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SHSharky54Club Pro247 posts
22 Oct 2014, 19:29#14
Lions smashed their way to the Currie Cup trophy in 2011 making the final against the Sharks look like a cake walk. In 2012 they came stone last in the Super 15. Not second or third last....LAST....
To repeat the age old cliche - Currie Cup rugby is not a reflection on Super rugby. Two different tournaments. This same policy can be associated or directed at any team (hint hint) getting over excited about their Currie Cup exploits....
BIbiltongbek
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BIbiltongbekClub Pro749 posts
22 Oct 2014, 19:33#15
Irrespective, Coetzee's men don't have a very good record in finals.
23 Oct 2014, 15:32#16
biltongbek ... you must please excuse Beeno.
Apart from the brain damage suffered as a child, he's severely henpecked ... and protein starved. This unfortunately hinders him and we're subsequently subjected to all kinds of gobbledygook because of it.
He means well but the poor dear can't help himself ... so please be patient with him.
Also ... for you to understand his posts you'll need to be fluent in moron.
The rest of us here have managed to pick up a few words over time and it has helped us a little ... however his dialect at times can be rather severe, to the point where even his fellow morons, like Mozart walk away shaking their heads.
I know it's tough but hang in there.
You'll be fine.
BObobbok...
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BObobbok...Captain10,129 posts
23 Oct 2014, 23:29#18
BBek, are you the oak blogging in the Aussie, 'The Roar' ? Anyway welcome aboard . Do you support SA teams during Superugby when they play OZ/NZ ?
BIbiltongbek
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BIbiltongbekClub Pro749 posts
23 Oct 2014, 23:30#19
Of course I do blobbok, I just don't have any favourites
BObobbok...
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BObobbok...Captain10,129 posts
23 Oct 2014, 23:53#20
I know of a NZ sporting journalist/author who claimed not to support any team, including national ones ........ blamed it on how he viewed his job etc.
BIbiltongbek
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BIbiltongbekClub Pro749 posts
24 Oct 2014, 00:00#21
No my reason is simpler. Professional players move around all the time, Habana has played for the Lions, Bulls and Stormers, how does one change teams when your players change teams?
So instead I just follow individuals, the journalist is correct however that it helps to be unbiased when considering players that should be Springboks, I don't care who a player plays for, if he is good I have no alterior motive when praising him.
BObobbok...
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BObobbok...Captain10,129 posts
24 Oct 2014, 00:13#23
Bias...must be a can- can move .
24 Oct 2014, 00:33#24
hahahahahaha Claydog did you read that from Beeno "I am completely free of bias" LOL & PRICELESS
BUT Biltongbek, Beeno is absolutely right - Pick a SA Provincial side mate and stick with it. It adds colour to the debate.
BIbiltongbek
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BIbiltongbekClub Pro749 posts
24 Oct 2014, 00:49#25
Nah mate, I bring sanity to out of kilter provincial rugby debates
CLClaydog
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24 Oct 2014, 00:57#26
BB we have Beeno to do that. Although maybe some assistance for him may be helpful. He seems very busy keeping the Kiwis in line.
24 Oct 2014, 00:58#27
its a full time job - the education of Beeno
BIbiltongbek
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BIbiltongbekClub Pro749 posts
24 Oct 2014, 01:09#29
I don't support overseas players or Frans (stywe kuite) Steyn.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Oct 2014, 01:14#30
So you wouldnt pick Goosen?
BIbiltongbek
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BIbiltongbekClub Pro749 posts
24 Oct 2014, 01:22#31
No, I am hung, drawn and quartered often for having this stance, but the way I see it, if you leave SA for the money, you give up you right to play for SA, those staying at home deserve it more as they are committed to strengthening our local rugby.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Oct 2014, 01:26#32
Actually I think all the players act in their own self interest....some see that as best served by staying at home. A fragile kid like Goosen has to be thinking of making some money in a career beset with injury.
My own sense is the domestic player gets the tie break...but guys like Louw have added a lot to the cause.
BIbiltongbek
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BIbiltongbekClub Pro749 posts
24 Oct 2014, 01:29#33
South Africa as so much depth, we don't need the overseas players if our coaches develop and expose talent timeously.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Oct 2014, 01:39#34
Can't say I agree. I think the pool of test capable players is quite small...particularly in the backs and in the front row. But if we go the domestic only route, it could have some positive consequences. We'll never know the answer to this one.
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
24 Oct 2014, 11:04#35
Players rightly so are self interested as who else will be for them. Hence they even go and play for the bulle (EG ex Free State captain Staruss) to make more money. However in this case their careers suffer particualry if they are backs. Hahahhahahahaha
The mistake Biltongbek makes is that because he cant remain objective about players if he supports a province others cant. I am the living proof of the error of that view - Moz is also staking a claim. We are notb all rooitwits here or kbbs!!!! Bwahhahahaha
In truth though I think oaks who write articles do not want to get criticised unfairly re bias so they don't DISCLOSE who they support. I am sure Biltongbek is a fervent supporter of a provincial team - if he has any class that is WP!
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
24 Oct 2014, 11:43#37
You have not said anything about the EP queens!
BIbiltongbek
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BIbiltongbekClub Pro749 posts
24 Oct 2014, 12:04#38
Less said about them the better, They remind me of the wannabies, want to play Super Rugby, want to play Currie Cup rugby, want more money, want to develop talent, but ultimately fail all the time.
SHSharky54
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SHSharky54Club Pro247 posts
27 Oct 2014, 18:44#40
So I am bumping this back up to the top.
Now that the hangovers have subsided (who knows, some celebrations may still be ongoing ?)
Do you guys think WP made the right decision with extending Coetzee's contract ? Seems a bit reactive to me.