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Quota vs Merit Selections - What the people say

Started by Devil's Advocate7 REPLIES802 VIEWS· 28 Jul 2017, 17:07
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DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
28 Jul 2017, 17:07
#1
28 Jul 2017, 17:07#1

I asked in another thread if it was racist to be openly against the quota policy that is forced upon so many sporting codes in South Africa.


Here is some interesting information regarding quotas, from a poll which was conducted last year.


77% of all South Africans that were polled, were in favour of players or teams being selected on merit and not skin colour.


From the portion of black people who were involved in this survey, 74.2% agreed on picking on merit alone and not skin colour.


From the rest of the people who voted, 87% of coloureds, 94.9% of Asians and 84.3% of whites were in favour of merit selections and not quotas.  


This survey was conducted in all 9 provinces


Back in 2010 some black rugby players were already requesting that players be selected for their performance on the field and not the colour of their skin.


Some might also remember when certain (players of colour) cricket players lodged a complaint directly with CSA that they wanted merit based selections put in place instead of quotas, as they felt embarrassed when selected to play because even they knew themselves that there were better players than them, but they were selected because of their skin colour.


Some may remember the SMS saga at the world cup regarding that same incident.


If you really want to see what a complete and utter farce this quota system creates..... read this article from last year regarding the Highveld Lions, who  where forced to get a fan from the stands, to play for them, because of the quota criteria they had to adhere to.  The link is below.


What a joke


Judging by the percentages above, if one is a racist because they are totally against quota systems in our current sporting codes, then South Africa has a hell of a lot of racists. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
28 Jul 2017, 19:00
#2
28 Jul 2017, 19:00#2
 Quotas has got nothing to do with AA, and all to do with revenge.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,259 posts
28 Jul 2017, 22:26
#3
28 Jul 2017, 22:26#3
Quotas are an opportunity for politicians to develop their own political careers by getting media attention.  
I am not sure why, because it seems from a few polls that most people do not favor this. Although, it is hard to say how accurate these polls are. 
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
29 Jul 2017, 08:37
#4
29 Jul 2017, 08:37#4
 Claudy... I'll happily support an all non white Bok team, if they were the best in their position.  Rugby people wants their teams to win. Some of the most popular players in SA in recent years were non white.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
29 Jul 2017, 08:40
#5
29 Jul 2017, 08:40#5
 
Black Empowerment Policies in the work place ... any form of Affirmative Action ... and of course quotas in sport ... is racist.

Anyone who says it isn't, is a racist himself.

I know it might be a little difficult for the snivelling coward to accept ... but there are more racist black folk in this country than white. A lot more. 

Some companies go as far as to only allow a certain population group (blacks) to own and buy shares in their company.

And we're singled out as racist? Bah!

Interestingly though, most white folk who support these policies ... who are also part of the finger pointing brigade ... the politically correct ... those you find mouthing off the loudest about what's unacceptable etc, have roots abroad. Dual citizenship.

They can flee at any time. Return their families to countries like Wales in times of war ... while the rest of us duck for cover.

Stuns me to think that they have the right to stir up dissention and flee.
 




 
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
29 Jul 2017, 19:21
#6
29 Jul 2017, 19:21#6
DbDraad
 
Status: Rugby Legend 
Posts: 5954RE: Quota vs Merit Selections - What the people say
July 29, 2017, 08:37:19

 Claudy... I'll happily support an all non white Bok team, if they were the best in their position.

 100% agree with you here Db
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
30 Jul 2017, 09:48
#7
30 Jul 2017, 09:48#7
 Has anyone questioned why quotas were introduced? 
If you personally had the power to choose an alternative to implementing quotas, what would you do?
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
30 Jul 2017, 10:39
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30 Jul 2017, 10:39#8
It is quite easy to understand why quotas were introduced. We were sitting with a large part of the population who were not prepared to accept that there was a need for a natural evolving of the make-up of the teams. Remember that the traditional black schools did not promote rugby and cricket at all. They immediately wanted representation in the national sides. There was an alternative though. They could have accepted the above and also have accepted that it takes time for a rugby player to become an international level rugby player. They should have introduced a program to introduce the game to kids at the lowest and earliest level. These should have introduced to the schools and the parents as well. Remember that almost each and every white and coloured kid's parents were also rugby fanatics and they encouraged and supported their rugby playing kids. The black kids' parents did not have same affinity to the game that the white and coloured parents had. What made rugby in the "white" schools such a big thing? The support of the parents. Nothing less. That, combined with male teachers who really knew the game and was as passionate about the game as well. Many of those teachers were actively playing the game while teaching and coaching rugby. The black kids had no access to any such luxury. White parents were filling the sports stands and they were lining up next to the sports fields at every game. They arranged and organised fund raisers and worked their butts off to raise monies for sports tours. The communities were involved in supporting the local schools' sports as well. Sadly, you had none of these in the black communities. Yes, I agree 100% that the black kids did have a raw deal in that they did not have access to the above but that is life. There was no quick fix to the situation but the fixes that SARU and the govt tried were doomed to failure right from the start. Rome wasn't built in one day. The govt and the people wanted as many as 50% and more black representation in the Bok side. Fact is that both SARU and the govt stuffed up. It has always been my opinion that I can understand why they introduced quotas, I just do not agree that there was a need for it. The real need was to start at the bottom with the black kids and make every effort to raise awareness and a love of the game both among the kids and their parents. Instead there was a constant animosity towards the national side and the white/coloured communities when it came to rugby and cricket. Maybe not so much towards the coloured community as such, I don't know. Having said all of that, what amazes me the most is the fact that there is no outcry about the fact that there is no Asian people involved in rugby. Not a peep.
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