Quotas reduced to below 40 % - Bok squad Announced ...

FORWARDS (20)

LOOSEHEAD PROPS.

Steven Kitshoff

Tendai Mtawarira

TIGHTHEAD PROPS

Thomas du Toit

Wilco Louw

Frans Malherbe

HOOKERS

Malcolm Marx

Bongi Mbonambi

Akker van der Merwe 

LOCKS

Pieter-Steph du Toit

Eben Etzebeth

Marvin Orie

RG Snyman

OPENSIDE FLANKS

Siya Kolisi

Francois Louw

BLINDSIDE FLANKS

Cyle Brink

Jean-Luc du Preez

Marco van Staden

Warren Whiteley

BACKS (15)

SCRUMMIES

Ross Cronjé

Faf de Klerk

Embrose Papier

Ivan van Zyl

FLYHALVES

Elton Jantjies

Handré Pollard

Damian Willemse

CENTRES

André Esterhuizen

Lukhanyo Am

Jesse Kriel

Lionel Mapoe

WINGS

Aphiwe Dyantyi

Makazole Mapimpi

Lwazi Mvovo

FULL BACKS

Willie le Roux

The 5 players of colour selected as part of the 20 forwards are all quotas ... including the elderly Beast who has had his ass handed to him by any and every decent tightherad this season.

We still have the useless Kolisi as our designated 6 and captain.

What a laugh.

I see Damien De Allende is not part of the mix ... instead we have the useless Mapoe brought in to make up the quota numbers. I wonder how many balls he's dropped this season? 

I am stunned to see the match losing Jantjies still making the grade. Surely Rassie watched him play this season? He must be very desperate to make up the quota numbers.

What has happened t o Nkosi?

Mvovo ?? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaaaa!!!

Cronje and his loopy pass makes the squad. Wow!! What ever happened to Shaun Venter?

The less said about Am the better.

Glad to see Hamburger Nyakane missing out.

What a mess!!

Nkosi has an injury. Hammie I think. 

No Duh Allende (yay) but Jantjies?? Sheesh. Swings and roundabouts I suppose.

Xavi

Before you get over-joyed - De Allende is out due to injury.   

Dumb Lande is not the best, but do we have many other options? It is not as if Esterhuizen was very good either against the English. Maybe an SOS for Jan Simpletein

Mapoe is a vastly better player than Damian. Mvovo, it's amazing how he still finds a place in the team. The Allende of wings, though Damian is by mature more of a wing. I had high hopes for him eight years ago. Physically he had everything. Looked like a real Bok wing. We can put a good pack together, but those backs are truly awful. Maybe 3 tests quality players. 

CC

That squad is made up of a large number of quota players who will never make any other international side.

I cannot see how Cronje and Jantjies could even be considered at this stage.   Am was useless recently and Mapoe is a joke in bad taste.   Mvovo is a never-has-been and his inclusion is also really funny.

As to the forwards - what the hell is Louw still doing in the squad.  There sis no breakdown specialists in the loosie combination and some of the lossies have butter-fingers.   Orie at lock  is a joke in bad taste too.

By the way I think Vermeulen ruled himself out of the series to play club rugby in Japan;  I think he should therefore be ruled out of contention - no player should be allowed to pick and choose when he is going to play and when not.

That is a squad made up of under-par quota players  and we must accept that the Springboks may beat the Pumas and loose the other four tests in the series.   

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Lurker

Mapoe has never ever played at inside center - so how dumb can you get  - stooge?   Am glad the useless Fat Fransie is not in contention anymore. 

Damian cannot perform one aspect of centre play to an adequate level. Mapoe has a better rugby brain, is much more of a centre. I'd play him ahead of Damian. We lose nothing. Furthermore, this has nothing to do with Frans. Damian is merely the worst centre I have ever seen. I have never seen a professional centre do the things he does. He is passive to the point of being clinically brain dead. Why do you back him so intensely? I just don't get it at all. 

Mapoe can't catch a simple pass. The amount of times he's dropped the ball before the line is infuriating.

He was poor once again on Saturday and yet he makes the squad. WTF??

Mapoe doesn't have a rugby brain ... in fact he doesn't have a rugby anything. The only thing he brings to the park is his rooster comb when he manages to hang onto the ball.

He looked totally out of place on Saturday.

Simply useless.

Much rather have the useless De Allende. At least he can catch a ball.

I didn't say he was great (I never backed his transition to centre in the first place), but I do rate him higher than Damian. If you want a ruck cleaner, Damian is your guy. He can win some turnovers. That's the only thing he brings to the game. Sometimes. He is the most technically flawed centre I have ever seen. Would Mapoe defend with his back turned to his man? Or walk out of alignment and leave his channel exposed and pile pressure on the rest of the team? Or make those weird kicks out of nowhere into nowhere? I will say this though, Mapoe wasn't merely poor against the Saders, he was entirely invisible. I can't recall anything he did. 

Rubbish!!

And what exactly does Mapoe bring to the pitch?

He is as poor on defense as De Allende is ... and brings nada on attack. De Allende can at least run right over the top of you and is difficult to bring down when he goes on his freight training runs.  In other words ... we at least get go forward out of him.

Mapoe creates nothing ... can't defend anything that isn't right in front of him ... goes to ground at the slightest touch ... and seems to be in the wrong position most of the time. He doesn't understand the first thing about center play ... much like JJ Engelbrecht and Jesse Kriel.

Rugby brain? What rugby brain? The amount of times he drops the ball has often made me wonder whether he thinks he's playing basketball.

Mapoe is a useless quota and should not be in the mix.

Damian's only attacking weapon is a strong leg drive through a tackler once targeting a weak shoulder. That's become less effective over the years. Running right over the top of opponents? That was said to be his thing, but Damian lacks the power to exert any authority head on. He is too weak. His distribution is poor and his sense of positioning the worst of all our centres. His ability to read the game is absolutely awful. He likes space, wants to beat you on the outside. He naturally leads to a more static and lateral game. He leaves his 13 isolated, on breakdown defence he ball watches and loafs around. Mapoe has basic skills and basic positional sense. He makes none of the structural issues Damian causes in ever game he plays. As I say, I'm not a fan of Mapoe. However, he is a better centre than Damian. Damian for some time was statistically the worst defensive centre in Super rugby, and at test level, has he landed one effective tackle? I can't recall one. He has directly affected the conceding of around 10 tries for the Boks, and affected the scoring of 2. This is a terrible return for the loyalty showed to him. 

What??

Haaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaaa!!!

That's about as desperate an attempt to discredit him as I've seen on this board.

I thought I could conjure nonsense about the man but you've mastered the art. I stand in awe.

You've missed your calling. Ever thought of taking your act to the stage. With that skill you're bound to dazzle the audience.  

You didn't answer my question. Tell us what Mapoe brings to the party and why he's so much better than De Allende.

Oh and try to stick to the facts if you don't mind.

Thanks.

CC

Just read Lurker's posts for entertainment - no rugby value at all.   He has a coach manual from which he quotes  regularly to appear as I he is knowledgeable, but he d oes not understand the practical implications so he goes bananas.

By the way he ranks Morne and Fat Fransie as rugby greats - so that is the level he can get to in his delusional condition.  .     

Lurker

You would not recognize a technical flawed center or any other player - if it hits you in the face.  The reason is you like Mozart and Pakie have  pet hate players and in the process to denigrate those players you invent BS and would never accept proven facts.   That is basically dishonest.

When I said Fat F ransie is a BS center I have recorded facts to prove my point - you have elusions and falsified information you use.   That is the difference between practical consideration of incidents and BS you spread on site..    

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaaaa!!!

Morne ... a great??

That's not the same Morne who stood so deep that he and the full back developed a special bond, is it?

Not that Morne who cost us the test against the Ozzies when he couldn't find touch, is it?

Not that Morne who had difficulty defending his channel, surely? The one who brought nothing to the pitch except his boot ... which by the way also backfired on him and subsequently caused us a lot of trouble at times.

Not that Morne?

Say it's not so!!!

Maybe he was talking about Morne Du Plessis.

Exactly...

Mvovo ?? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaaaa!!!

What in the hell!!!???

How does Travis Ismael not get he nob ahead of him? How about the mini Rosco Specman or even Sergeal Peterson. 

Oh yeah...because they're not black. We need African Blacks. 

Poor Combrink.

Pack your bags Ruan. You don't owe this racist fucktard nation anything.

Yeah ... Matfield was a real asset to Meyer's Goats. So was Gurthro and Bakkies and Jaque Fourie and Morne and and and ...

They made a massive contribution to our national team.

They were also very brave in their clash against Eddie and his potent Japanese side. 

Well ... at least we took the bronze ... and wasn't Matfield the man of the match that day???

LOL!!!

That's not quite true, KingCorn.

Kolisi isn't a test standard loose forward ... and has no idea how to play on the openside ... I take it that you know that ... right?

We have a lot better and they're all available ... except Rassie shot himself in the foot by playing the hero. Now he's stuck with a quota at 6 ... and as captain ... and there's nothing he can do about it.   

Kolisi was suppose to be the fill in captain till Whiteley returned. That was never going to happen. It amazes me that Rassie didn't realize what he had done by opening the door to this quota clown. Kolisi is here to stay boys. Come rain or shine.

Ecclesiastes 10 speaks of servants riding on horseback while Princes walk along side them.

The 6 jersey has been sold to a total retard and even the coach can't do anything about it. Haaaaaaaaaahahahahahaaa!!!

Just because Rassie selects these clowns doersn't mean we have no talent. They're all leaving our shores ... knowing full well that there is no future at home for them.

He has the anc's pecker in his hand and has no choice but to pucker up.

Mozart

I know you gloat about injuries to p0layers you do not like - De Allende is out with an injury and where the hell did you get the BS from about tackling.   Mapoe always was a defensicve sieve - BSter.  

CC

You apparently miss the Lurker preaching on how good Morne Steyn is.   His marvelous attacking play and getting the backline to function was unbelievably fluent.   

The way he initiated  backline play and especially attacks were marvelous according to Lurker - obviously supported by Mozart was so far removed from reality I started to wonder whether Lurker and Co suffered from hallucination.

They must really p rovide info on the things they use to get t that level of imagination.  

Haaahahahahahahahaaa!!!

Thank you, Mozart ... but I escaped.

Redneck is around under the names Koos Kombuis and Ndabaningi.

Doesn't sound like the names he'd pick to post under.

OK, so Pakie, you are on board with Rooi's alter egos too!

Ok Koos is definitely vintage Rooinek at his best...and Ndabaninging is just too good for words....this place is gold!

Clever Mike. You have nothing. You do have lies and twisted numbers. In fact, everything you have said, that I have read has been debunked. I don't understand why you keep harping on about Frans though. Do remember that, you keep bringing him up, not me! What I have done is temper your lies. I mean, I just made a mockery of your Sharks vs Stormers nonsense. 

I'll say this, list how many effective tackles Damian has made for the Boks. Tell me exactly where and when. Now, tell me how many assists Damian has. How many tries has he contributed and compare that to how many tries he has directly let in.

As for Morné? Show me another South African 10 who is more successful. I already did an analysis of his Super rugby success where he contributed to more than 50% of the Bull's line breaks. Clever Mike lied through his teeth. Morné has the second most points in Bok history, holds many world, Super, Currie Cup, Test and Bok records. He has the second highest points per test ratio in Bok history, has the highest try ratio of Bok 10s, is statistically more defensively sound than Dan Carter. He has 2 Currie Cups, 3 Super Rugby titles, Lions Series, Tri Nations, Junior World Cup and French Championship. He was a key member of one of the highest powered offences in Super rugby history, and the most efficient in terms of linebreaks to tries. He also had a 77% retrieval rate of tactical kicks. However, I'm now told that I must believe he is the worst 10 in Bok history and all of world rugby. How ridiculous. Show me a better 10 who is South Africa  purely on the basis of their CV. I never said he was the most gifted or talented, but I did say that he made it count. Whether you like it or not, he is an all time Bok great. 

There is one little snag here - Koos Konbuis joined the fantasy comp using the same name.and Rooinek joined the same comp using his old name The Lightbringers,   Why would he join the same competition using two different user names? .

I think you may be on the wrong assumption insofar as Koos Kombuis is concerned.     

Lurker ... I presume you no longer want to contribute anything regarding the brilliance of Mapoe.

I take it then that your silly comments about Mapoe being the better of the two centers was just a lot of conjured nonsense to a get a rise out of Michael? Right?

In other words ... you were talking sheeeat!!!

I do believe Mapoe is the better centre. I don't rate either of them, but I rate Mapoe higher. Damian is to flawed to be considered a pure bred centre. There is no other centre that I have ever seen who has a weaker tactical understanding of the game. His awareness doesn't exist, his peripheral vision is so poor he may as well be looking through straws. Mapoe is the better attacker and defender. His support lines and timing are sharper and more accurate. Damian, however, is the better breakdown presence. One of the best backs in the world for that. How can you back a centre who has let more tries in than he has scored or assisted? A centre who has yet to land one solid tackle. This is madness. 

Lurker

You are the one who wrote a report on how good Fatv Fransie was in 2015 when he was rated as the 32 rated center in Super Rugby and  how De Allende missed three tackles on him - and Fransie was marvelous on attack.

I am quoting the stats on that game to rove that you were lying as per normal.   

That was the stats of the match under discussion and is further confirming how utterly useless Fat Fransie in fact was.   He carried the ball 6 times for a 7 meter territory gain, - he made no line breaks - beat no defenders and off-loaded the ball and loss ball possession twice in that game - also giving away 3 penalties.   Pretty hopeless and you lied about how De Allende missed three tackles on him;

As to Morne there is nothing to argue about .   Morne was an accurate goalkicker and a shit flyhalf.    

I don't rate De Allende ... at all ... but claiming that the useless Mapoe is the better of the two is totally absurd.

The only time Mapoe scores a try is when he's given the ball to fall over the line. Other than that, he creates nothing, his running lines are non existent so I'm really not sure what you're on about there ... he's a poor defender when faced with an approaching attacker ...  (any idiot can tackle from behind if he has a little pace) ... and as I've said before ... he has absolute no understanding of what centre play is all about. 

If he had the simple basics of what a supporting player is supposed to do, we would see a lot more of him. He doesn't and as you said earlier ...

"Mapoe wasn't merely poor against the Saders, he was entirely invisible. I can't recall anything he did" ...

That is the most intelligent thing you've said all day.