Rassie Erasmius getting award

This will not go down well with some members - but I have to quote the following from News24:-
"Rassie Erasmus was named PRO12 coach of the year at the competition’s annual awards ceremony in Dublin on Sunday night.

Erasmus’ team, Munster, were the big winners on the night, with six of their players named to in the PRO12 Dream Team after finishing on top of the regular season standings.

Another South African, Ulster scrumhalf Ruan Pienaar, claimed the try of the season award.

Pienaar, who has finished his tenure at Ulster, was also included in the PRO12 Dream Team, alongside countryman Jaco Taute, who plays for Munster.

The PRO12 is an annual competition involving 12 professional sides from Ireland, Italy, Scotland and Wales."

Most members of the site are lukewarm about Ruan Pienaar and the fact is that he is already 33 years  of age and definitely not a future prospect.

One of our members dislike both Erasmus and Jaco Taute intensely and the awards to those two would not go down well with him - but it did happen.

Perhaps Rassie should get the Springbok coaching job if Coetzee as expected fail again against the French in June 2018.

 

 Mike I have listed Rassie's achievements before and told the ignorant oaks frequenting this board that Rassie is a genuine rugby brain.  That Chartered Accountant and Bok tighthead Cobus Visagie said Rassie has the most brilliant rugby brain he has ever encountered.Of course it takes one to recognize one and ignorant oaks like dense denise, wee cc, ou rooitwitterbug and the confused JW ( not to mention Brycy ab ASS and warped DUD) can only marvel at how Beeno just keeps getting it right!!! Not 100% as only God achieves that!
Beeno humble but getting it right unlike these very ignorant folk mentioned
The best SA coaches are not coaching SA sides. Typical shoot yourself in the foot SA approach.

Oh yes the Jaco Taute for Bok fullback move. I watched the match against Saracens and Taute is the same slow sieve he always was.....5 runs for 5 metres, 6 tackles attempted 2 missed. Suits the Stampkar rugby Munster play perfectly. The funny thing is the same chaps who laud Munster despise the traditional Bok game Munster play under Rassie.

 That has zero to do with Rassie being a great coach. Look what he did for Free State and Stormers.

What exactly did he do at the Stormers? Did he modify the playing style the way Ackerman has done, did he deliver a Super title like the Bools have done? Or did he fiddle a bit and then leave for greener pastures?

 Mozart
As per expected your comments are negative on  Erasmus.  It must be mentioned clearly that this is NOT a Munster award - it is a reward in respect of all the PRO12 teams - so going for him as coach based on one match you have seen is indeed questionable.  Maybe the people involved in making the decision knows slightly more about rugby coaching than you do.
Beeno has explained in the past what happened in the case of the Stormers and he definitely does not agree with you about what happened in that case.
I originally criticized the decision of Meyer to start Taute at center and has since realized that he is not test material.    However, again it was a competition decision and not a club decision about giving him an award.    

Oh and you weren't fishing for that response. Look you had Taute pegged as the Bok fullback, inevitably it turned out to be wrong....live with it. Just another bad call Mike, just another horrible misconception.

 I saw Taute playing at full back for the Lions.  He was exceptional - but then he went to the Cape where frequent injuries and a wretched coach destroy whatever he did at the Lions.   He lost speed and I have never really been supportive f him after Meyer's escapade using him at center - which he never was.
I have not seen in which position played for Munster and I do not actually think that he is all that good - anyway not good enough to be selected for he Springbok team ahead of the horrible misconception represented by Kirchner.    I cannot remember when I wrote of him as Springbok full-back - must be in 2012 - since then I never once mentioned his selection in that position other than to criticize Meyer when he selected him as center.

 
Rassie has now received some small award. Good for him.

Pity he didn't do much good back home. He had a good spell at the Cheetahs and that was about it.

What other achievements qualify him for the Bok coaching position or is it anyone will do as long as it's not Coetzee?

I'm all for getting rid of Coetzee ... but lets not drag some unqualified wannabe into the mix.

 White, Mallet, Rassie and Venter  have big names overseas. They are genuine coaches. Rassie is a great coach as his short time also with the Stormers showed.
Wee CC stop blabbering away. You know that you haven't a clue about rugby! What a clown ou cc is!

 
You wanted Kolbe as our Bok 9 ... you also wanted Koch to play at hooker ... you rate Fleck as a super coach saying that he's doing a fine job ... even though the team he's coaching leaked more than 150 pts in 3 matches ... and have an average of 7 trys scored against them in the last 4 matches.

Now Rassie who has no international coaching experience ... hasn't achieved much at all as a coach anywhere apart from with the Cheetahs ... to be the next Bok coach.

How stupid are you, BeanDip?

In future try to limit your posts to once a month if you don't mind. We already have idiots like Chop and Dense on here ... there isn't any need for you to join the two stooges.

 CC
Not entirely correct about Erasmus - he was the coach for a while at the Stormers and then cross swords with the Stormers top lot in administration.   He then became Stormers Director of Rugby with Coetzee as coach.  As long as he was around the Stormers did well enough - since he provided the leadership in the team, which Coetzee lacked totally - eg the Stormers was in the final in the 2010 RC.  
Erasmus was then appointed in various positions in SARU and Coetzee's Stormers went on the slide under Coetzee.   SARU realized they lost a top achiever when Erasmus left and has been trying to get him back without success.  
Indications are that Erasmus will take over the coaching of the Irish in two years time.  

 
Yes, Comrade ... I am aware of all of this. You speak as though I have no clue.

Still, what has he achieved?

Please tell me of his amazing successes that qualify him as coach of our national side?

Did he lead the Stormers to a SR title? How about the Cheetahs?

Has he coached an international test side yet?

What successes did he have at test level? 

Did he coach a junior Bok side or it's international equivillant before?

What successes did he achieve there?

I can answer for you if you like, Comrade.

Nothing ... no ... no ... nothing ... no ... nothing ... in othere words ... NADA, F0K0L, ZIP, SQUAT, NIX S!!!!!!!!!!!

He isn't qualified. He knows nothing about test match rugby and you want him chalked up as Bok coach?

He may be an excellent adminstrator but that's as far as his qualifications go. Behind the scenes sitting at a desk ... pushing a pen.

It's as absurd as you wanting Lappies to be the Bok openside flank.

We need a Jones type. Even Jake White will do for now.

Now before you lecture me on Jake not knowing how to coach a backline ... blah, blah, blah ... take into account that you've posted that very statement a thousand times before ... and I really don't feel like reading it again.

 CC
You are a bit rough here.   I do think that our best option as Springbok coach is in fact Ackerman - but my second choice would definitely be Erasmus with Du Preez coming on nicely insofar as coaching is concerned.   The latter will have to gain a lot more  experience and show a lot more proof in years to come before he can be considered for any higher post.
Personally I would prefer a proven coach from NZ to take over from Coetzee in the event of Ackerman not be appointed.   Since the gap is really wide after that.   Matter of fact the Bulls will surely have to replace Marais and I would really want Rennie or Plumtree taking over there and also be candidates for coaching of the Springboks, since I do not think that Coetzee would survive after the French series.
However, to find a foreign coach in the mad SARU political environment will be virtually impossible - they would not accept anything  but merit selection.    

 
As expected ... you have no relevant comeback and so prefer to duck the question.

In other words, Comrade ... Rassie is simply unqualified ... as is Ackerman ... and Du Preez.

I repeat ... we need a Jones type ... not a home grown chump.

 Wee CC where did I ever say Fleck is a great coach. Stop lying wee cc. Being a rugby mampara is bad enough.Also I did say I wonder how much Fleck's selections were quota requirements. Well Mallet has also said Kolbe would make a great scrummie.  Proves again your abysmal ignorance you halfwit.Koch is very mobile and not quite strong enough for tighthead. He could have been made into a very good hooker. You simply have no idea wee cc. Dumbass!Keep on like this cc and you will be a rival to that well know mampara dense denise! 

 
I'm not lying. You are!

Tsk, tsk ... and you call yourself a Christian!!

Doing the sudden 180 doesn't change what you said.

It is on record.

No matter ... bozo's like you usually develope a sudden case of amnesia when exposed as ignorant twats.

It's nothing new. Your ignorance has followed you all the way from the Super Sport rugby board.

Same old Beeno.

 CC
Please you are very touchy today - calm down my friend.  
I definitely would prefer a foreign coach - but frankly cannot see how Plumtree or even Rennie and Mitchell would accept the poisoned chalice that would be the SARU requirement.    Mitchell and Plumtree had really had poor treatment as coaches in South Africa due to -
*   the shenanigans of Strauss and Jantjies at the Lions where Mitchell tried to instill discipline into  a notorious squad of under-performers; and
*   the complete idiocy strongly supported by some on this board - especially Mozart - by the totally inept John Smit.
For instance Mozart went ballistic because Plumtree would not accept the total collapse of Fat Fransie as a center  and Plumtree told him to lose weight and get fit - which he repeatedly failed to do.  
I do not think we will win anything in the June tests and the firing of Coetzee would be forced by public opinion - in that I am pretty sure you will agree.   But where to then remains an open question - both Ackerman and Erasmus would be better options - but I would still prefer a foreign coach.
Incidentally the one SA coach who will be supported by Mozart, Beeno and Denny would be White - but after his recent history - especially at the Sharks - and his total lack in backline  coaching and player development I have serious reservations about him.  We want players to remain in SA - but they would flock to Europe even faster if White is appointed.    By his notorious favouritism  White caused a player revolt at the Sharks and most players refused to renew their contracts with the Sharks if he remained as coach.   Just imagine what will happen if he has a higher position in SA - it would be a disaster beyond repair .

  

I'd want a foreign coach about as much as I'd like a foreign fullback or a foreign hooker.

I'd even take that incompetent fool Joke White before a foreign coach.

  CC
Please you are very touchy today - calm down my friend.

 
Yes, Comrade ... we know how you feel about White. You've told us a thousand times already.

We know you have an opinion on his backline coaching. That too has been stated by you over and over again.

Is it really necessary to post the same horseshyte over and over again? 26 000 posts later and that's all you can contribute to this site?

Bring something new for a change, Comrade ... or shut the fcuk up.

CC 
Even if I agree with you and motivate my agreement you want me to shut up?  

 
It would be nice.

Would you mind?

 Sure I do mind and do not allow others to prescribe what I may write on this site.   

 
Thought as much, Comrade.

It was worth a shot.

Preach!

 
Haaaaaaaahahahahahaaaaa!!!

Rassie Erasmus is one of the better SA coaches- especially at the moment. He build good teams at the Cheetas- and then the Stormers. He is proving at Munster that he knows what he is doing. 
Jake White, Mallett and even Meyer are good coaches- even though they all have less understanding of how to use a backline on attack. 
Erasmus, with a New Zealand skills coach,  as well as Jaqu e Nienabaar on defence would be a solid combination

 Rassie almost did the job for us in 2011. It was a much improved team that went to the WC, but stupid pride and Bryce Lawrence rained on that parade. I'm not a big Fan of Rassie, but he's no fool and would have made a much better Bok coach.

 
He nearly did a lot of things.

He nearly claimed a SR title ... once ... but in the end it wasn't to be.

He nearly became Bok coach at one time as well ... but that too wasn't to be.

You guys are so desperate for a coach other than Coetzee that you'll take any chump no matter his credentials.

He is an administrator. A good one I'm told. Until he proves himself out on the pitch he remains just another man behind a desk pushing a pen and that I'm afraid does not make him a good coach.

 CC  Not too long to wait - he is likely to be appointed the Ireland coach in 2018 and we will still be stuck with Coetzee.   

 
That will be a relief.

We have no need of pen pushers taking over the Boks.