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RAssie's school of physicality reaping dividends

Started by Beeno17 REPLIES190 VIEWS· 22 Mar 2012, 02:00
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Mar 2012, 15:12
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22 Mar 2012, 15:12#1

Ex Supersport

Friday night’s win over the Blues was impressive, but it might have been what followed the next day in Durban that best underlined why, during the short-term at least, the Stormers should continue the rise that started when Rassie Erasmus moved to the Cape in 2008.

The Western Province Vodacom Cup side only beat a strong Sharks XV by two points, but it was the elements that were similar to what we had seen at Newlands the night before that made the game noteworthy. Thumping double tackles, an organised defensive system, a strong emphasis on physical dominance at the gainline, aggressive play from the tight forwards, in particular a driving lock – they’re all what you could call the hallmarks of the modern Cape approach to the game. (Indeed the hallmark oftypical Bok rugby - which Jake at the world cup understood)

And they’re an advertisement of how successful Erasmus was during his time as director of rugby in his stated mission of changing aspects of the culture of the Stormers and WP game and getting all the teams that make up the professional arm of the union onto the same page.

The youngsters I interviewed at the WP Rugby Institute in Stellenbosch over the past two years always spoke about the important role that Erasmus played when he popped in to work with them. With many of those players also playing for the WP under-19 team, even some of the calls the team adopted were the same as those used by the senior team. Erasmus made it clear that he wanted the youngsters coming through the system, and who were part of his succession planning programme, to be able to make an easy transition if called upon to move up to senior level.

Last year the fact it was a World Cup year prevented the under-21 team from dominating their tournament as they had in 2010. The reason was obvious – the bulk of the age-group side ended up playing in the Currie Cup, leaving John Dobson, who is also in charge of the Vodacom Cup side, with an impossible ask.

But when the cream of the youngsters were playing for the age-group side we saw something similar to what was picked up on the televised evidence from Mr Price Kings Park this past weekend – the style of play they adopted and the strengths of their game made them seem almost a carbon copy of the senior WP and Stormers teams.

Some of the youngsters that have come through what you could call Erasmus’s school of physicality are now making their mark at senior level. Eben Etzebeth might have been considered to be behind the impressive Quinn Roux in the pecking order of under-21 locks last season, but with Roux injured at the start of this one, and Rynhardt Elstadt, another youngster who made his mark last year, also out, Etzebeth has taken his chance to confirm that he has immense potential.

And two players who came through the system to be blooded in 2011 are also showing they have learned from that experience, with both Steven Kitshoff and Frans Malherbe, props scarcely into their third decade of life, drawing high praise from Blues skipper Keven Mealamu.

The upshot of all this hard work done on bringing through young tight forwards and introducing a culture based around the physicality that used to be lacking from the WP game is that we may have reached a situation where the Stormers are now weaker at the back than they are at forward. With Johann Sadie now at the Bulls, there certainly isn’t quite as much excitement about the quality of the backs coming through as there is about the forwards.

With Elstadt impressing on his return to rugby in Durban on Saturday, the Stormers do have the sort of options in the tight five they would have only dreamed about a few seasons ago. They are even in the happy position of being able to think of resting Andries Bekker, with Etzebeth moving to No 5 lock, where he has spent most of his career, and Elstadt joining him in a formidably aggressive second row.

It’s still early days though and the potential of the young forwards is not something that is news to me. The Stormers coaches have done well to contract the four youngsters who have most impressed until 2015, but judging from the way he dealt with the issue at a press conference after the Blues game, head coach Allister Coetzee does appear to share my concern at the amount of hype being heaped on the young pack.

While the Stormers forwards have done well so far, the Hurricanes’ strength is definitely not at forward and both the Sharks and the Blues were severely depleted. The big test will come when they come up against a team that takes them on at their own game and has the players who, if they get in first, could themselves be the dominant force.

Last year the Stormers started well and then were shown up by the Reds and Crusaders, and it must be remembered that the current Stormers pack is young. That means a time will surely come when they will have the roles reversed on them, and how they react to that will tell us a lot about whether they are ready to assume the mantle of championship contenders this early in their development.

But you have to say that it has been a case of so far, so good, with the impressive feature of the last few games being the way the Stormers have managed to regroup and put in an extra effort just when the opposition look like challenging them late in the game. That was not something we saw in previous seasons.

Pretty good article this. Rassie has played a huge role in all this and is big big loss. provided we are not hit by injuries I think this pack with guys like elstadt burger and deon fourie added will match anybody.

It is true that things are looking more promising at forward rather than at the backs. However signing Frans would be huge. They must pull out all the stops to get him.

What however is now hapening to all that rassie began and put in place.  Are the youngsters still going to be arriving on the senior scene?

Looking forward t oseeing Quint Le Roux play. Etzebeth was second to him at under 21 level!

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
22 Mar 2012, 15:45
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22 Mar 2012, 15:45#2

Physicality? Definitely not. What the Stormers do well is tackle in numbers and, more importantly, cut out time and space for the attackers. Not detracting from them, as theses are highly admirable qualities, but genuine physicality is not there. The word I would use more is mobility. When faced with the directness of the Blues the Stormers did in fact cave in, so against more abrassive packs, that could be a bad omen.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Mar 2012, 18:41
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22 Mar 2012, 18:41#3

General consensus is that the Stormers dominated in the physical stakes unlike the bulle. I agree with that view.

Once Burger , Elstadt, Roux (125 kg) and even Deon Fourie are part of the forward mix they will be very good.  I would like to see that 940 kg pack I suggested playing against the crusties.

One thing for sure -  teams playing against the Stormers have in recent years found it hard to breach the advantage line. They are driven back. The Stormers win the collisions and the opposition  are on the back foot and this is a big part of their defensive strategy.

 

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
22 Mar 2012, 18:47
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22 Mar 2012, 18:47#4

The Bulls made too many errors that cost them too on the scoreboard. They then adopted a frantic running approach which backfired due to territorial inferiority and ref blunders at numerous breakdowns. Physicality wasn't the issue. The Stormers certainly were not more physical than the Bulls against the Blues. Like I say, stifling opposition backs and working in numbers at the tackle point has been key for them. Mobility in the oack has aided this.

While we are on the subject of physicality though. I would like to draw attention to Kolisi. A tremendous player and bringing in much more punch than Schalk. Unlike Burger he gets the ball beyond the gainline regularly rather than making a big thud that gets you nowhere. He is much faster (Particularly on defence) and has great hands. Not much of a presence on the ground, but I think he could be a Bok 7. Certainly worth a look in any case.
 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Mar 2012, 18:54
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22 Mar 2012, 18:54#5

Still a youngster but when you compare him to Marcell Coetzee I know who I would choose. Does not look like Bok material to me at this point in time but its early days. Kolisi 101 kg lighweight.Another Solly Tybilika?

What I like about Kitshoff is his stamina. He appeared to get stronger as the match wore on. He is genuine tight forward.

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
22 Mar 2012, 19:02
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22 Mar 2012, 19:02#6

Agreed on Kitschoff, Jannie's days look to be well and truly numbered! Irrespective of weight, Kolisi is giving you guys far more grunt than schalk! He was tremendous on defence last week... well, every week so far in fact. That's the kind of substance I look for.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Mar 2012, 03:14
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23 Mar 2012, 03:14#7

 Wrong Beeno - Quin Roux is a year older than Etzebeth, so he was never ahead of him at U20 level. Etzebeth was the star of the Bok U20's last year, Roux never played for the Bok U20's but by all accounts should have the year before Etzebeth did.

Quin Roux is a monster at 1.98m and 125kg - he has been staring for the WP Vodacom side, its time the Stormers brought him on board. Far better prospect that the average de Kock Steenkamp.

The Stormers have 4 world class locks in Bekker, Etzebeth, Roux and Elstadt - all 4 are better than any locks say a test side like England has

 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 Mar 2012, 10:37
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23 Mar 2012, 10:37#8

When you consider we have Carstens, Blauw, Kritzinger  Kitshoff  Harris and Malherbe , Four great locks, Liebenberg, Deon Fourie,Burger, Vermuelen, Kosner, Kolisi etc you begin to understand what a grea job Rassie did for us. WP were made to lose a guy like this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Card, Kitshoff is playing loosehead and Jannie is a tighthead. Can Kitshoff play tighthead. To me he loolks ideally built for  a tighthead. I would like to see Harris at loosehead and Kitshoff at tighthead. That said malherbe is coming along well.

The average Jannie looks set to lose his Bok spot on current form.

Dave me wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I was simply quoting the writer and accurately I believe re Roux.

If ou Alistair plays it smart there is no need for any pack member to be over worked. Last year Bekker and Vermulen were played into the ground. With Burger coming back and Elstadt capable at 7 there is no need to overburden Vermulen. Ditto Bekker or any front row forward. Allistair should get assistance from Prof Noakes who is right next door and hearken unto the wisdom this man can impart.

 

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