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RC/4nats team of the week

Started by Monkey D Luffy10 REPLIES328 VIEWS· 18 Aug 2013, 21:40
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
18 Aug 2013, 21:40
#1
18 Aug 2013, 21:40#1

1 tony woodcock
2 adriaan strauss
3 jannie du plesiss
4 eban ezebeth
5 james horwill
6 steven luatua
7 micheal hooper
8 duane vermeulen
9 aaron smith
10 aaron cruden
11 bryan habana
12 JDV
13 jj englebrechet
14 ben smith
15 willie le roux

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
18 Aug 2013, 21:40
#2
18 Aug 2013, 21:40#2

some position were just easy with players being standouts with no equal this round, icluding ezebteh, cruden, aaron smith, ben smith, willie le roux, luatua, hooper.

then there were some positions where it was very close and if others pick anothe rplayer who was clos,  it wouldnt bother me at all
this was especially true with the props where beast could have been picked ahead of woody and franks ahead of jannie , very close there and the new laws playing on their mind might have been a factor.
JDV/leilafano at 12 was another position, so was jj/conrad/AAC, with ultimatley jjs error free game giving him the nod ahead of AAC and looking the more threatning ahead of conrad.

i know some might say level of opponent is a factor, but IMO its not, a team of the week is who preformed better that week and thats what i based my team on.

interested to hear ur thoughts or who made ur team, :o)

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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
18 Aug 2013, 21:59
#3
18 Aug 2013, 21:59#3

 To be fair I think my team would be the same but I agree the JDV/Leilafano is up for debate.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Aug 2013, 01:06
#4
19 Aug 2013, 01:06#4
I find the team odd in one respect and that was the issue of Genia. I do believe Genia was better than Aaron Smith. For the rest I am not sure whether as Shezza stated that the Leiilafano - De Villiers case is debatable. I find it also funny that only four All Black players were in the line-up - whilst the team as a whole played so well. However, looking at the issue as a whole I have expressed some fcriticism of the AB players and I think the penaltoies and one or two handling errors cost McCaw nomination. Read was not very visible and the line out performance of the locks were questionable. In the backline I am a bit surprised by the omission of Savea and Conrad Smith - they had good games - but I am not surprised at the omission of Nonu - he really was not up to standard. Hooper should perhaps be included in my Foxsport selection LOL .
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Aug 2013, 02:58
#5
19 Aug 2013, 02:58#5
Genia for sure, but a few more minutes on the park and Fourie would have gotten my vote. JJ was hardly error free....he was the cause for the Bargies try. I'd take AC, his break was better than just running onto a chip. I don't think Habana had a very good game, he seemed a little frenetic. Cruden played pretty well apart from being totally gassed by Genia...man did he look slow! Ben Smith had a cracker. - The pack looks pretty good, but not Hooper....he lost the ball twice and made only 4 tackles while missing one.
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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
19 Aug 2013, 05:41
#6
19 Aug 2013, 05:41#6

One must put the games into perspective when selecting the sides. Taking all into account and Sasuke's team, I might change a few around simply based on level of opposition. Not that Argies were bad because you can only play as well as your opposition lets you play so some credit must go to the Boks but the Argies just really were not up to it.

 

1 tony woodcock
2 adriaan strauss
3 jannie du plesiss
4 eban ezebeth
5 james horwill
6 steven luatua
7 micheal hooper      x   Richie McCaw
8 duane vermeulen
9 aaron smith            x   Fourie Du Preez (Even Genia was better than Smith)
10 aaron cruden
11 bryan habana      x   Julian Savea
12 JDV                         (If we look at the games in perspective, I think we might have to go for Nonu.)
13 jj englebrechet    x   Adam Ashley-Cooper
14 ben smith
15 willie le roux        x it will have to be Willie but simply because no 15 was outstanding this week

 

Jean was great, Serfontein had like 3 runs for 3 clean line breaks, Willie had the freedom of the park. Habana played shit considering the opposition on the day. A guy like Ben Smith or Digby Ioane who looks for work in the centres would have had many more tries on the day. Habana was not his usual self and it looked like he was prepared for a tought test that when it opened up so quickly, he was not prepared and panicked. He tried to force himself into the game and onto the score sheet instead of being his usually self and just being in a try scoring position and letting it happen!

We could select the whole SA team and be justified in it after this weekend. I also think Juandre played pretty well. My point is that Nonu's performance for the AB's on the night was much more instrumental in his sides performance than Jean's. We could have beaten the Argies with Serfontein, Howard, Heimar Williams or little Vusi the 13 year old soccer player from Soweto at 12.

 

It is easy to look good when your opposition are just plain and simply not interested in tackling. I hope for SA's sake we get tested this weekend. Its nice to have a great confidence builder..That has been had now.. Now we need a "test match!" We can not go into an AB's game with a false sense of just how good we really are because one thing we can be sure of is that the AB's will be interested and they wont give an inch.

We will take plenty inches with our massive forwards and hurt the wee blacks but they wont "want" to make it easy for us as the Argies did;-)

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
19 Aug 2013, 05:59
#7
19 Aug 2013, 05:59#7

IMO genias one run was the only thing he did good in the game, but smiths delivery of the ball, unmatched, its never easy scoring 6 tries against a top 3 team, and 4 of those were on the back of smith getting the ball out as quick as humanly possible to the backs to do there stuff, he really put the wallys on the backfoot.

habana and savea was another i thought long and hard over, but it felt to me that habana was trying harder, while savea who was awsome, went missing a little bit for the first 30 mins.

nonu was great on attack, but the wallabies did the break the inbe cos oh him a number of times, IMO nom one would have stopped those plays, but thats no excuse and its why i gave the nod to JDV who IMO was in the running wirh leilafano, but cruden ensured that leilafano takes 2nd place with that unforgiveable charge down,

@mozter,
i wouldnt blame it on jj, but no team in the world is free from compalcency and the Boks are no differnet, and who can blame them when ur leading 73-6 with a minute to go. im sure 99% of the Boks body and mind was already in the changing room drinking beer.

@boklogic,
i like McCaw over hooper, but hooper was prob the only person worth his salt. IMO he had a better game then McCaw, but McCaw was still the man, easily the second best openside on the weekend.
if it wasnt for cooper, i reckon another 20 points and definately the wallys missing out on 7 was on the cards.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Aug 2013, 08:19
#8
19 Aug 2013, 08:19#8
Sasue Myself - I would have gone for McCaw - but he spoilt his copybook by giving away penalties and some handling errors. I agree with you on Nonu's defence being a negative - so that one was not up for debate really. Mozart dislikes Engelbrecht intensely - so he would come up with an argument against him all the time. He loves to forget parts of games - so as to back up hius argument. Like the 2 clean lline breaks beating three defenders also made by Engelbrecht - hence the emphasis only on the try and nothing else. Would take what he says with a pinch of salt in any event. On the whole - other than in the case of Genia - I would go with the original assessment. Would be interesting to see what happens on Saturday - but am a bit worried about the high injury problem facing some key All Black players. That could have a substantial impact on the game coming up.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Aug 2013, 00:23
#9
20 Aug 2013, 00:23#9

Spot on Sas, JJ was the best 13, he might have only scored one try but it was that second break of his that almost ended in a try that showed his attacking class. He never missed a single tackle and that try had nothing to do with him.

 

Beast was better than Woodcock, Whitelock better than Horwill and Savea was better than Habana

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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
20 Aug 2013, 08:13
#10
20 Aug 2013, 08:13#10

Whitelock the best 5 in the world currently? Can he go down a legend bigger than Matfield and co??

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
20 Aug 2013, 10:13
#11
20 Aug 2013, 10:13#11

 

Why don't you rather stick to ordering coffee?

 

Rugby is clearly not a strong point of yours, needle dick!!!!

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