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Read this Kiwis and be dismayed

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Oct 2013, 13:01
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13 Oct 2013, 13:01#1

The disappointment of the Ellis Park loss may still be with us, but if you look at the progress the Springboks made during this year’s Castle Lager Rugby Championship, there is no doubt that they have moved forward.


The Boks of 2013 have come into their own as a team, grafting out their own culture and playing style, and saying goodbye to the conservative tag that haunted them in 2012.

They showed enterprise, passion and power as they set themselves apart from the chasing pack and for a moment, they looked like they could match the All Blacks, but the exuberance of chasing the championship title and a few soft moments tainted a season that should be remembered for all the right reasons rather than the final loss.

To put it bluntly, when the Boks entered the 2013 Rugby Championship there were questionmarks about their pedigree. They had racked up wins over Italy, Scotland and Samoa but their own fans remained unimpressed.

The moves they had taken forward were discounted. They had to prove it against the bigger teams in the competition.

Now that the dust has settled and the cold light of day shines on their achievements, this Springbok team is firmly on an upward curve.

They still have areas to work on, but the progress shown this year overshadows the negative nature of their past, and they have adopted an excitement that we have rarely seen in the conservative teams of the past.

But the cold facts are also hard. The All Blacks remain peerless at the moment. There is daylight between them and the Boks, but there is also daylight between the Boks and the rest of the chasing pack.(Absolute rubbish we have moved ahead of the abs and only need to fix a few things and the scorebaord will reflect this - dominated possession, territory and try scoring opportunities - shot ourselves in the foot - should have won comfortably)


The Boks' performance in the season must be seen in this light. They are now quite clearly the second-best side in the world. What they do from here will determine how Meyer’s men carve their own legacy.

The romp over Argentina proved that when all the pieces come together, a Bok attack plan can be a beautiful thing.

Had it not been for the defensive lapses at Ellis Park, the Boks would have started and finished the Rugby Championship as possibly the most exciting attack in the world, and the statistics back them up. (Our defence is usually excellent so thsi can easily be fixed)

For all they did on attack – and here Brisbane was possibly the highlight of the championship, the disciplinary lows of Auckland (WHAT!!! crtazy comment), the disappointment of Mendoza and the defensive lapses of Ellis Park give the team reminders that they simply aren’t there yet.

Mountains of work may have been done, but mountains remain if they want to get to number one.

THE SET PIECES

Possibly the biggest improvement this year has been in the breakdown, where co-opting Scottish flanker Richie Gray was a genius move. The Scotsman fits into the Bok culture like a hand in a glove, and his sense of humour and unique outlook on the game has raised the bar within the team.

Like most areas, this season has been marked by a determination to be the best in all areas. The breakdown was a problem against Scotland. It has been a nightmare in the past for Bok teams, but this year the team turned it into an asset.

Richie (Mcceat) and Michael Hooper didn’t dominate as they did in the past, and the Boks led the turnover count in the competition, with Bismarck du Plessis on top of the log with the most turnovers.

The scrums returned an unbelievable 100% statistic for the year, and while the Boks may have conceded the odd penalty, they took to the new scrum laws like ducks to water.

Argentina’s powerful scrum was neutralised, Australia's was demolished and New Zealand's struggled. The starting line-up pack was helped by a strong second shove when the replacements came on, and barring a few interesting refereeing calls, they dominated almost every game they played in.

There may be some concern with depth, especially at tighthead, but scrum coach Pieter de Villiers can be a happy man for what the team has done.

Lineouts were a strange and complex area this year for the Boks. While they still won over 90% of their lineouts, there is no doubt this area regressed somewhat.

An over-realiance on front ball to Eben Etzebeth saw him win almost 80% of the lineout ball, with Juandre Kruger disappointing somewhat in Mendoza and Ellis Park.

Flip van der Merwe stepped up to provide physicality, but it was apparent that the Boks lost something on competing ball, and despite the stat, the All Black lock pairing shaded them in both clashes. It wouldn’t be surprising if this is a key area for the November tour.(Du Toit will solve that issue)

ATTACK

Attacking play was possibly the best aspect of the Bok game-plan.

For a side that supposedly plays just kick and chase, the addition of an attacking aspect made them a lot more dangerous.

Willie le Roux’s arrival on the wing complemented Zane Kirchner's solidity at fullback and Morne Steyn’s kicking game.

The Cheetahs wing was allowed to roam and come into play whenever needed and it spiced up the attack somewhat. Le Roux may have some defensive frailties to take care of, but he brings an energy that the Boks need.

You just have to look at the Championship stats to get the picture. The Boks scored 23 tries in their six games, and averaged a massive 33.8 points per game ( I wonder if u muncher realises thsi and ou maaaike as well?).

They led the ball carries stat for all teams, and metres made on attack (447.8), as well as linebreaks in the competition (7.8 average linebreaks across the competition).

They also scored four tries against the All Blacks at Ellis Park, and had their defence worked a bit better on the day, they may well have claimed the title.

(AND YET THE NUTTER THINKS WE ARE WELL BEHIND THE ABS! WHY DOES HE MAKE THSI ABSURD ERROR IN LOGIC - for one simle reason. If he says the thinks the boks are better he will be called a whinger etc etc ect  bwahahahahaha)

DISCIPLINE

Despite the obvious problem in Auckland, and the disciplinary issues that have plagued Springbok teams over the years (The ref bias that has resulted in the team been blown out the game!!!!), the Boks averaged the fewest penalties per team in the competition.

At an average of 8.4 penalties per game, they are well within the targets set by Meyer, and if they can continue this they will start to change the perception of South African teams.

Contrast this to the 12.8 penalties conceded by the Wallabies and the 12 average by the All Blacks and the strides taken in discipline should be applauded.

DEFENCE

At 85%, success in the tackle is only marginally less than that of the All Blacks (88%), but it is when the tackles are missed that is the problem. The Boks missed way too many at Ellis Park and allowed tries when they shouldn’t have.(Absolutely and this will be fixed as we are excellent defenders!!!!)

Defence is an area which often suffers when attack flourishes and while it is overlooked if a team is winning, the Boks still need to be able to tighten up when needed.

Some players have questionmarks over them in this respect and it will be interesting to see what the Bok management does in this regard.

Either way, if you’re only as good as your last game, then defensively the Boks have a lot of work to do.

MOMENTS OF GLORY

Finally, here is a thought or two about their performances in the Castle Lager Rugby Championship – feel free to comment with your moment in the comments section.

MATCH OF THE CHAMPIONSHIP: SA v NZ, Ellis Park

Possibly one of the best five games of all time. Yes, the Boks lost but what a spectacle.

BEST SPRINGBOK PERFORMANCE: v Australia, Brisbane

There were so many questions going into the Brisbane game that the Boks answered with glee. Four tries, a magnificent performance and to do it at a hoodoo ground made it all the more special.

TRY OF THE TOURNAMENT: Zane Kirchner v Australia, Newlands

Off turnover ball, a beautiful pass from Fourie du Preez found Jean de Villiers, who sent a perfect ball to JJ Engelbrecht. Engelbrecht drew the defender and sent Kirchner away. The little step to flatfoot Israel Folau was the icing on the cake. A superb try that deserved applause.

FORWARD OF THE TOURNAMENT: Eben Etzebeth (Agree)

Bismarck du Plessis’ Auckland cards were costly, but he had an amazing tournament. Etzebeth was the colossus in the lineout, the pillar of strength and the player who performed in every single game. Exceptional to think he is still so young.

BACKLINE PLAYER OF THE TOURNAMENT: Jean de Villiers (Agree)

Captain Fantastic, De Villiers is in sublime form and has led by example. His try at Ellis Park was testament to the great form he is in, and he continues to defy age in playing some amazing rugby


The Boks are superiour to new zealand and this will beshown in 2014 as i ahve long predictted.Always remeber Beeno's seminal piece - The wring is on the wall.


How anybody including this confused author can think the wee abs are better is a mystery.

Keep giving us fair refs and the abs will revert to the traditional spot as second to the the Boks. 


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
13 Oct 2013, 13:17
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13 Oct 2013, 13:17#2
Beeno:  firstly Boks played our B team, secondly no one seems to realize that we tricked you into playing our game. There is no way Boks can play the high paced game for 80 minutes. You can't waddle around the paddock for that long.
No the Boks are on the wrong path, you should go back to the kick-waddle-kick strategy, it worked for so long
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Oct 2013, 13:43
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13 Oct 2013, 13:43#3
JW The Boks have traditioanlly been good on attack. We didnt rule world rugby pre isolation for all those decades with a poor attack. No our traditional game is actually well balanced. Uncomprimising forward powor. Excellence in lineouts and scrums. A tactical flyhalf. Superb defence and attacking falir.Certainly we should never attempt to be like the wee ab show ponies playing netball rugby and getting whacked by the Poms!!!!
Whatever problems the abs had with  the boks (and they were many) will be increased even more next year. Time for wee mcaaaw to retire he wont be so lucky as in the last two year where the Boks were better in 3 of the 4 tests played.
One can only hope also that we will see a new breed of professional refs emmerge. As with the change in the scrum laws which encourages an honest contest (And has benefited the Boks immensely) so fair comeptent refs will be hugely benefical to the Boks.Beeno hopeful of a massive 2014 for the Boks.

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
13 Oct 2013, 13:48
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13 Oct 2013, 13:48#4
 Beens, this is a more balanced view from Clevermike (clever as opposed to all our other SA bloggers LOL) 
"The Springbok loosies - except for two instances in the test at Ellis Park involving Vermeulen and Louw leading to Habana tries - failed miserably compared to what the AB loosies achieved in that test - similar to how they fared previously in games in Super 15.   On Super 15 Vermeulen was a satisfactory performer on average - Alberts anything but both in 2012 and 2013.

 

I can live with Vermeulen as a loosie - but Alberts is a slow plodder that fell flat on his face when he was supposed to tackle  Read - typical of his normal performances.   In any event - the longer these loosies are in contention - the less is our chances of a proper defence structure against teams with a proper loosie combination that can perform all the functions of loosies and not only 10% of those."

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Oct 2013, 14:04
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13 Oct 2013, 14:04#5

Beeno

 

There are a number of issues that needs to be addressed before we can really challenge the All Blacks team and those have been dealt with by me in the past.   By far our weakest link was the limited capacity of our loosies - which was completely over-shadowed by the AB loosies.  

 

The second issue was having to play with a flyhalf - who were told to stand flatter and pass the ball - but then lost the perspective of when to pass and when to kick.   You cannot have a robotic flyhalf that cannot read the game properly and decide instantaneously what would be the better line of action.

 

The other issue that actually costs us dearly in the Ellis Park test was our deficient line out performance in the Ellis Park test and the associated maul problem. 

 

The issue of defence is another issue that can also partly be traced back to our loosies and their incapacity to defend wider out - like the AB loosies do.   The AB loosies made more than double the number of tackles compared to the Springbok loosies and a very high percentage of those were of backline Springbok players. wider out.   That is the problem with our backline defences - it disregards the cover and help they are supposed to get from our loosies.

 

Be it as it may a few changes only is necessary to fix some of the mentioned problems and I am optimistic that those changes will be attended to in future.   Some would be easier to make - like changing the loosie combination, get our lock combination corrected and picking a better full back - but I am afraid Morne will stay with us next year as well.   Our only hope that Lambie and Goosen has outstanding Super 15 seasons next year - to force Meyer in changing his dummy pivot. 

 

I would say - we can become more competitive and beat the AB's - if we get our selections correct and have a better defence situation brought about by coaching .           

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
13 Oct 2013, 14:28
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13 Oct 2013, 14:28#6
 you tell him Mike 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Oct 2013, 14:36
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13 Oct 2013, 14:36#7
 Hakwa ple ase dont think you are the only one requiring rugby education.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
13 Oct 2013, 14:49
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13 Oct 2013, 14:49#8
 don't make me yellow card you Beeno

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Oct 2013, 15:47
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13 Oct 2013, 15:47#9
hakwa you are a pedalar of yesterdays news and pictures of the past. I am a visionary brilliantly painting a picture of tomorrow!


the abs practising the hahahaha ka!!!

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
13 Oct 2013, 15:53
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13 Oct 2013, 15:53#10
 Beens, that is such an old clip! It was done for a promotional ABs Poster. Glad you enjoyed it 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Oct 2013, 16:11
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13 Oct 2013, 16:11#11
 hakwa I always enjoy the hahahahaka!
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polyboyClub Pro601 posts
13 Oct 2013, 16:17
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13 Oct 2013, 16:17#12

Glad to see you back Beeno, same old postings but entertaining.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Oct 2013, 16:22
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13 Oct 2013, 16:22#13
 Hi there poly. I find as an educator one has to drive home a point. In the case of  kiwi bird brains one uses a sledgehammer and often!
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
13 Oct 2013, 17:09
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13 Oct 2013, 17:09#14
Beeno: you are lecturing & pontificating now & your team was soundly schooled by the Mighty All Blacks. What are you going to be like when your beefy Boks finally win a meaningful game ? It won't be against us of course. You will be absolutely intollerable, lol 
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WardadPro6,663 posts
13 Oct 2013, 17:53
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13 Oct 2013, 17:53#15
 Beanhead ,you do know that in order to skite or brag about your weee lil' boklets  they have to actualy win something ? some silver maybe ? And not some old pie dish the aussies tossed out of the kitchen either ! And no that curry or vindaloo cup or what-have -you doesnt count either [ we would probably have that too if we had at least one team in it ! ]People write Doctural thesis' on people less delusional than you ,do you still think your mob won a game last year ? against the ABS ?  1 out of 9 is not real good is it ? But maybe if you use some convoluted/delusional thinking ......nah it cant be turned into anything can it ? You cant make a tuxedo out of that pile of old rags eh ?
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WardadPro6,663 posts
13 Oct 2013, 17:56
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13 Oct 2013, 17:56#16
 Hey Cloudy ! I see beaner is re-writing history .....again [ he actually thinks they won in Dunners last year ! }Bean-tween-brains you should make your players even wider and fatter and so on till they can stand in a line across the paddock and block it off with their arses so even slim wee Ben Smith cant slip betwixt 'em ! Then have Morning Stains work on his kicking leg till its as fat as your head so he can try kicking 100 metre goals at altitude .Jobs a good 'un !
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
13 Oct 2013, 19:08
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13 Oct 2013, 19:08#17
 Wardad: ouch, lol
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polyboyClub Pro601 posts
13 Oct 2013, 22:15
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13 Oct 2013, 22:15#18
Beeno, I venture to say that your 2 favorite words are "Next year".......(fill in the blank)  
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WardadPro6,663 posts
14 Oct 2013, 01:11
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14 Oct 2013, 01:11#19
 "In Jeruselum ?"
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Oct 2013, 02:45
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14 Oct 2013, 02:45#20
Beenkop stop embarrassing us we got our arses kicked fair and square......we could not even capatalise when the Kiwi's had 14 players on the park for 10 min......that says it all.

We lost for the simple reason......Kirchner, Morne, Kruger, Louw and Alberts should not have been in the starting side and Steenkamp, Franco and Pienaar should not have been on the bench.......that's one third of the side that was wrong.......therein lies the reason we lost  
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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
14 Oct 2013, 05:20
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14 Oct 2013, 05:20#21

 So is that the reason we lost? Nothing to do with JJ screwing up before the half or missing a regulation centres tackle on Barrett that ultimately saw all the wind knocked out of SA's sails? I think you can put his name top of the list with non-performers in that test!

 

Same way your boy Jantjies was a massive factor for the Boks loss in the same fixture at Soweto last year. Massive negative influence.

 

I feel you are backing donkeys in a horse race!

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Oct 2013, 09:50
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14 Oct 2013, 09:50#22
I see it is necessary to straighten out some confusion being experienced by the oaks.
Of course, of course there have been selection errors snapster and hence when they are corrected as Meyer sifts the talent by next year will see some of them gone and us beating the abs as per normal. So what is embarrassing about me telling the kiwis the writing is on the wall - you are also suggesting it is. Gettin g a glimmer?
JW and warped dud I have been predicting 2014 as the year since 2012. Hence in 2012 I was not saying 2013 - ie next year in jerusalem. Can these three kiwi luminaries handle the maths (JW, poly and warped dud)! Bwahahahahaha 
Finally I have to also express my suprise ala Cloudy regarding JW using a big word like pontificating! Who tipped him off I wonder. For your typical kiwi anything more than 4 letters is a snobbish word. 

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
14 Oct 2013, 10:24
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14 Oct 2013, 10:24#23
 Beeno: looks like you have a spot of trouble with your fellow Bok supporters. Strangely they don't always appreciate your insight don't  let that stop you. It could be the price a visionary has to pay. In your case though, well ... I leave it for you to decide 
Well we all survived a week without test rugby but fortunately we have the test against the Ozzies this coming weekend
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Oct 2013, 14:05
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14 Oct 2013, 14:05#24

Just_win

 

Thanks for reminding me - I almost forgot about that one.  Guess the AB's will win well - but will still watch the game with interest.

 

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
14 Oct 2013, 14:11
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14 Oct 2013, 14:11#25

Clevermike: yeah, it is an anti-climax for sure.

 

it will be interesting to see if the ABs can keep their performance level up after such an epic game against the Boks. Something that is hard for any team.

 

Oz will be doing their best to continue their development and should never be underestimated.

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