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Record-breaking test hinges on controversy. NZ Herald

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Oct 2016, 12:42
#1
22 Oct 2016, 12:42#1

Given what was at stake, and the recent history between these two teams, it seemed almost inevitable that this potential record-breaking test at Eden Park would hinge on one controversy or another.

In the end the All Blacks ran away with it to chalk their mark in history, and consign the Wallabies to another year of misery at this ground - 30 years without a win against the men in black, and counting.

But when Henry Speight's try just after halftime was ruled out by television match official Shaun Veldsman for obstruction by Dane Haylett-Petty on fellow wing Julian Savea this test was in the balance.

It was a poor decision on Haylett-Petty's part. Speight, who started on the left wing but was drafted into centre following the injury to Samu Kerevi, was away. He had the angle on Savea and would have scored regardless to even the scores at 15-all with the conversion to come, but alas for the Wallabies it was ruled out after Haylett-Petty changed his line and shoved his shoulder into Savea's, completely putting the All Black off his stride.

The crowd roared their approval at Veldsman and referee Nigel Owens, and Wallabies coach Michael Cheika was out of his seat, because this was a crucial moment in what was an increasingly bizarre test.

Straight after, Dane Coles had claims for a penalty try after his kick through and dive on the ball was obstructed by Bernard Foley. This time, Veldsman ruled in favour of the visitors.

Beauden Barrett missed all three shots at goal before being replaced by Aaron Cruden after 45 minutes. Barrett's counterpart Foley missed two from in front.

The inaccuracy was systematic of a test which lost its shape after the All Blacks scored two early tries through Israel Dagg and Anton Lienert-Brown.

The All Blacks, so dominant through the Rugby Championship, couldn't get their hands on the ball. They missed tackles, passes went forward or to ground. It was a scratchy old performance but credit has to go to the Wallabies, and Cheika.

Cheika's side had a better balance to it, and it proved Steve Hansen's theory that there might not be such a gap between these two teams after all. Two poor defensive reads let in Dagg and Lienert-Brown at the start. Reece Hodge's charged down clearance allowed TJ Perenara to score. Haylett-Petty made a poor decision.

In between times there was little else to cheer about for the All Blacks supporters, apart from thunderous defence from Jerome Kaino and fellow loose forwards Matt Todd, who received warm applause when he was replaced, and Kieran Read.

It was Julian Savea who rescued it in the eyes of the home crowd. The big wing went over for his 44th try in 48 tests to give the All Blacks breathing space, and then left Speight plus Nick Frisby sprawling for his 45th.

Helping the All Blacks to their record-breaking 18th consecutive victory, he's going to new levels himself.


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Oct 2016, 12:44
#2
22 Oct 2016, 12:44#2
 Congrats to the mighty ABs on the win and the record! Will watch the game now but this article and the fact that the ABs only had 35 percent possession tell us it was not an easy game. Wobblies throwing a wobbly according to the other articles as Cheika is ranting as usual
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
22 Oct 2016, 14:42
#3
22 Oct 2016, 14:42#3
 Like I said ,stay outta the Big Black Bus lane !Hope Cheikas head explodes ala' scanners hehehehe.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Oct 2016, 15:33
#4
22 Oct 2016, 15:33#4
Savea's try had a Jonah feel, pace and then power.....a great winger's try.
PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
22 Oct 2016, 17:27
#5
22 Oct 2016, 17:27#5
Disallowing the Speight try was ridiculous as Savea was in no position to influence the try, Speight was well away. But you're still looking at a 27 point difference in the end. 
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
22 Oct 2016, 20:18
#6
22 Oct 2016, 20:18#6
It is hard to see any team stopping the All Blacks at this stage.
Congrads from Vancouver.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Oct 2016, 21:31
#7
22 Oct 2016, 21:31#7
Thanks Arthur, you are a good sport.
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
22 Oct 2016, 22:23
#8
22 Oct 2016, 22:23#8

...the drunken Aussies missed a staggering 29% of their tackles... other than that they were competitive in meters gained and possession - yet still managed to concede six tries the muppets... at least they've finally realised that Quadoh is a useless twat ..


..what a great bench the ABs had to throw at them though...speaking of bench players Barret will go back to being an impact player with kicking performances like that ...

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
23 Oct 2016, 01:11
#9
23 Oct 2016, 01:11#9
 Fine win Kiwis. The team has consistently taken rugby to a higher level, winning breeds confidence and with added confidence it's hard to imagine what lies ahead.
Might also thank the team for embarrassing South African rugby, it appears to be what was needed to awaken the powers that be who "manage" our rugby, talk is cheap but it's a start in the right direction and everything has to start somewhere.
Kudos to brave Bok fans who have suffered and continue to suffer only to be told what they already know, that SARU is incompetent and that our coaches are useless.
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
23 Oct 2016, 01:22
#10
23 Oct 2016, 01:22#10
 there was no such controversy,.... just some bigmouths in the likes of the aussie commentators and coach ,.... Cheika is a disgrace for rugby

the try was perfectly well disallowed according to laws,.... a very silly action by the aussie but a blatant penalty

Matt Todd was enormous,.... that was a masterclass of how to play openside,.... a pity the missing tackle in the only aussie try,.... it would have been a perfect performance,.... however, he was the one leading the defensive effort,... him, Read, Whitelock and Crotty were outstanding on defense,.... and put some big hits

the AB coaching staff is in a tight spot,... has to choose 2 btwin Cane, Todd and Savea for the EOYT,..... probably Todd has leapfrogged Ardie as the second openside,... as Hansen seems to prefer classic opensides

excellent game of B. Smith too,.... best FB in the world by far,... what an elegance he has on the field,....

best game of Folau so far this  season,... good news for the aussies,... as good news are that Cheika seems to have found the wallies backline,... needed 10 games to figure out what was quite clear,.... but better late,....
however, I would play with Folau at wing and DHP at FB

9. Genia     10. Foley

12. Hodge    13. Kerevi

11. Speight   14. Folau   15. Haylet-Petty

with that backline (and Beale if fit) and a proper nº8 (like Timani or Holloway) they can have a good EOYT
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
23 Oct 2016, 02:03
#11
23 Oct 2016, 02:03#11
 ABF, yes, good to see Todd show us what the coaches have seen in him. Also good for him and NZ rugby to get a chance at AB level or else he would be off overseas.
Good that the ABs had a bit of a wake-up call as things didn't go perfectly to plan. It will give the coaches something to harp on in terms of improvements needed.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
23 Oct 2016, 02:35
#12
23 Oct 2016, 02:35#12
 Deam Mumm cited for foul play (met the red card threshold). Link to article
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
23 Oct 2016, 02:51
#13
23 Oct 2016, 02:51#13
 Mumm was overheated since the initial whistle,.... first line in every brawl, niggling, pushing,.... and elbowing ,.... the same story once and again with Cheika as coach,... each game he gives the role to different players but always with a fight dog on the field
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
23 Oct 2016, 03:53
#14
23 Oct 2016, 03:53#14
 Chris Rattue's All Blacks player ratings: Smith shines, Barrett battles

ALL BLACKS

Ben Smith 9
Class - the speed of thought and action - shone through despite the muddle in front of him.

Israel Dagg 6
One top defensive read on Folau apart, not much doing this time - headed one high ball.

Anton Lienert-Brown 6
Great start with smart try but faded on attack and had defensive problems, particularly with Folau.

Ryan Crotty 8
Defensive masterclass, and physical, busy test. Got up quick on the dangerous Folau.

Julian Savea 7
Something pushed his button in the second half and thoughts of Naholo suddenly disappeared. Rampaging try past Speight and over Frisby the highlight.

Beauden Barrett 3
Aliens have stolen our Beaudie. Did nothing and shocking goal kicks put All Blacks under pressure.

TJ Perenara 8
Great charge down try. Won a couple of turnovers. In the thick of it.

Kieran Read 7
Some important moments but captaincy didn't shine in the messy parts. Fooled by Foley, but saved by non-try ruling.

Matt Todd 8
Turnovers helped keep Aussie at bay. Terrific, physical test although Arnold went through him for try.

Jerome Kaino 7
A couple of brutal tackles and rugged effort although Squire offered more running.

Sam Whitelock 6
Didn't impose himself on the game despite making plenty of tackles.

Brodie Retallick 8
A couple of bloopers including dropped kick off but still humming to the end.

Owen Franks 6
Aussie scrum was on the verge of cracking. A couple of bad defensive moments.

Dane Coles 8
Cut down Mumm's bid for glory, scored a try in the corner soon after. A rare footballer to be cherished.

Joe Moody 6
Proving to be a very neat low tackler. Not a lot else.

Reserves

Codie Taylor (Coles, 73m) 4
Only got the call when Coles was exhausted. Thanks coach.

Wyatt Crockett (Moody, 52m) 7
One great steal. A couple of runs.

Charlie Faumuina (Franks, 52m) 8
Big contribution to the late onslaught - one clever offload and bruising runs.

Liam Squire (Kaino, 52m) 8
Looks made for the impact game. A couple of big runs including one to set up Coles try.

Ardie Savea (Todd, 65m) 6
Didn't join the party, and one drop.

Tawera Kerr-Barlow (Perenara, 62m) 7
Tidy if unspectacular.

Aaron Cruden (Barrett, 45m) 6
Still feeling his way on return. Tried to command with his kicking, but unconvincing.

Malakai Fekitoa (Lienert-Brown, 62m) 6
Bruising. One dimensional.

Wallabies

Israel Folau 9
Magnificent test. Constantly involved and dangerous with the ball. One memorable take.

Dane Haylett-Petty 7
'A' for effort but not a huge threat. Lots of runs. Unfair villain in Speight no-try ruling?

Samu Kerevi 5
Departed early with ankle problem after stepping around Savea, his one big moment.

Reece Hodge 5
Still getting his feet under this table. Booming boot shapes as a weapon. Dazed by Fekitoa. Errors included conceding charge down try.

Henry Speight 5
Denied a crucial try and involved in errors which conceded two tries.

Bernard Foley 9
Brilliant match apart from one horrible goal kick. Clever passes put runners into holes, brave and neat runs, even saved a try in chasing past Coles.

Nick Phipps 6
Lacked presence. Not all bad but started to unravel and scruffy pass in tackle led to Savea try.

Lopeti Timani 7
Good short charges. Might be the ball carrying No. 8 Australia desperately needs.

Michael Hooper 7
Lots of effort without setting the world on fire.

Dean Mumm 6
Is he really a test No. 6. Blew his big chance when Coles dislodged the ball.

Adam Coleman 6
Got hands on the ball but didn't go far, although one lovely offload as Australia tried to stay in the hunt.

Rory Arnold 7
Powered through Todd for a try - looks a likely lanky prospect if he can power up.

Sekope Kepu 7
Held on, just, in the scrums, and made some excellent runs.

Stephen Moore 7
The lineout was unconvincing. Huge workload with the ball from the warhorse.

Scott Sio 7
Like Kepu, overshadowed the starting All Black props around the field.

Reserves

James Hanson (Moore, 75m) -
Token gesture.

Tom Robertson (Sio, 65m) 5
Nothing of note.

Allan Ala'alatoa (Kepu, 62m) 6
Made a few runs.

Rob Simmons (Arnold, 48m) 7
Had immediate influence with a couple of runs.

David Pocock (Timani, 56m) 5
Impact not his game, especially as he is not a great ball runner.

Nick Frisby (Phipps, 62m) 5
Just a link and got in a bit of a muddle at one point.

Quade Cooper (Speight, 75m) -
Thanks coach.

Sefa Naivalu (Kerevi, 24m) 4
Hard to spot.

NZ Herald


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
23 Oct 2016, 04:00
#15
23 Oct 2016, 04:00#15
 Who would of thought Beauden could go from a 10 one week to a 3 another He did seem of his game & his kicking is a mystery. He will have a hard  time holding on to the 10 jersey if he kicks like that.

TJP still playing at a very high level which makes him competitive with A. Smith. TJ seems to be a more muscular tackler and he is very opportunistic. His pass might be slower but everything else looks good.
Matt Todd deserved the 8 rating, he played well - good for AB rugby as there is a lot of competition at loose forward. Crotty played very well as did B. Smith.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
23 Oct 2016, 04:00
#16
23 Oct 2016, 04:00#16
 Who would of thought Beauden could go from a 10 one week to a 3 another He did seem of his game & his kicking is a mystery. He will have a hard  time holding on to the 10 jersey if he kicks like that.

TJP still playing at a very high level which makes him competitive with A. Smith. TJ seems to be a more muscular tackler and he is very opportunistic. His pass might be slower but everything else looks good.
Matt Todd deserved the 8 rating, he played well - good for AB rugby as there is a lot of competition at loose forward. Crotty played very well as did B. Smith.
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
23 Oct 2016, 10:39
#17
23 Oct 2016, 10:39#17
 IMO Matt Todd deserved a 9 (like Folau and Smith) and MoM,.... yeah, he missed an important tackle (one from 16) and that's why he didn't deserved the 10,....

Beauden has gone from bad to worse kicking to goal,.... he's always been bad but these last games he failed some really easy kicks (some that he used to nail at SR),..... IMO he should be relieved of the duty,.... and having Dagg on the field I cannot understand why he wasn't,.... Dagg is not the best in the business but at least he would get right those very easy kicks,....

same goes for the kicks for line-out,.... except yesterday, Barret was kicking gaining very few meters ,..... Dagg has a very good boot for this,.... even Ben Smith could assume the task
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
23 Oct 2016, 11:23
#18
23 Oct 2016, 11:23#18
 Still dont see where all the Aussies were better than Beaudy ,and 9 for Folau ? Is this because his last 2 years have been sub par ?And cheiks reckons an Australian owned paper using an Aussie cartoonist whos sister dated cheikas cuzzy is in cahoots with the ABs to diss the Wallabies and himself ?The big girls blouse needs to get a goddamn grip.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
23 Oct 2016, 13:57
#19
23 Oct 2016, 13:57#19
 Cheika is cultivating "us against the world" mentality in his team. That or he is a cry baby loser.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
23 Oct 2016, 14:33
#20
23 Oct 2016, 14:33#20
 Cry baby I would think ,a fragile ego and a very thin skin.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Oct 2016, 15:55
#21
23 Oct 2016, 15:55#21
Gosh to me he looks rather thick skinned. Or put it another way, he is thin skinned about being thick skinned.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
23 Oct 2016, 16:08
#22
23 Oct 2016, 16:08#22
Let's compromise and just say he's thick.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
23 Oct 2016, 23:52
#23
23 Oct 2016, 23:52#23
 And got skinned hehehehe......
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
24 Oct 2016, 00:31
#24
24 Oct 2016, 00:31#24
Good one Wardad :)
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
25 Oct 2016, 01:36
#25
25 Oct 2016, 01:36#25
 Wish I was there Cloudy but glad you got to go, sounds fantastic!
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