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Redsman, you should be happy with this "THE Australian Rugby Union has become one of the first major sporting bodies in the world to display a gay cup in its trophy cabinet."

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
06 Dec 2013, 04:23
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06 Dec 2013, 04:23#1

THE Australian Rugby Union has become one of the first major sporting bodies in the world to display a gay cup in its trophy cabinet.(The ARU must be REALLY desperate for trophies)

The ARU yesterday received the Bingham Cup, also known as the Gay Rugby World Cup, and will have it on display in its trophy cabinet until it's contested next, in Sydney next August.(maybe the Wallabies need more gay men in the Team....I thought Cooper was gay enough with that dainty half skip in the air)

Teams from more than 15 nations will battle for the trophy, including current champions Sydney Convicts, who handed the trophy to ARU chief executive Bill Pulver.

Also involved in yesterday's ceremony was Wallabies forward and Bingham Cup ambassador David Pocock.(oh, how touchy feely - try standing up for the ref when a mad fan wrestles and dislocates the ref's shoulder in the Republic when everyone else stands around watching - NOW there is a real man)

"In terms of Australian sport, they (Sydney Convicts) are obviously a great team in their own right," Pocock said.

"But I think in terms of Australian sport, the advocacy they do around raising awareness of homophobia and really challenging it within sport is so important."


Well done Pocock and the ARU, the game is no longer purely about rugby but now also about sexual orientation.


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WardadPro6,663 posts
06 Dec 2013, 06:16
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06 Dec 2013, 06:16#2
 "Not that theres anything wrong with that !"
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
06 Dec 2013, 07:53
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06 Dec 2013, 07:53#3
Wardad, I think they're bigots for having their own World Cup! That's discrimination 
l also hear there will be a RWC for those "special" people suffering from severe delusions (FIXED IMMOVEABLE false beliefs) .
This is what Beanhead said when someone gave him the good news that he was selected, " A friend told me that I was delusional and met the criteria for selection, I was so surprised I almost fell off my unicorn" 
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WardadPro6,663 posts
06 Dec 2013, 09:27
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06 Dec 2013, 09:27#4
 Hahhahaha ,was beandip sitting on the pointy end of the unicorn ? 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Dec 2013, 09:40
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06 Dec 2013, 09:40#5
Nothing wrong with being gay! How brainwashed does one get - its an abomination and a death sentence. Disgusting is the only word that comes to mind - stomach turns when I see two men holding hands which fortunately is very, seldom as this abberation is a very small minority. Unnatural also in the animal kingdom. 
A sickness.
hahahahakwa I could easily make a chirp about carol jane but he doesnt deserve a low chirp like that. 
This is a black day for oz rugby. Let the gays go and do their thing but I would not like any gay trophy in our rugby cabinets.Hang your head in shame.




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redsmanPro1,710 posts
06 Dec 2013, 09:45
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06 Dec 2013, 09:45#6

 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm - I say whatever....

 

Cricket looking good

 

Golf good

 

Surfing good

 

Rugby League Good...

 

Gay Rugby.... who cares/.....

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
06 Dec 2013, 09:56
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06 Dec 2013, 09:56#7
Doesn't Israel Fagg play for New Zealand?
It must have been a typing error, like the one on the New Zealand team sheet when the wrong player went on to the pitch in South Africa this year.
Mccaw could be seen in the back ground changing the team sheet before a substitution.                                            It is actually Israel Folua that represents Australia, not Israel Fagg.
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WardadPro6,663 posts
06 Dec 2013, 14:00
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06 Dec 2013, 14:00#8
 Why dont you go back to the bok highlight reel of victories over the ABS since the RWC sharkbonk ? Oh wait thats another fairytale isnt it ? hahahaha!
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canrugbyClub Pro640 posts
06 Dec 2013, 22:58
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06 Dec 2013, 22:58#9
Beeno..... My goodness, Beeno.... It's almost 2014. You sound like you're stuck in the 1800's. I guess Mandela's message was lost with some...
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
06 Dec 2013, 23:30
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06 Dec 2013, 23:30#10
"Nothing wrong with being gay! How brainwashed does one get - its an abomination and a death sentence. Disgusting is the only word that comes to mind - stomach turns when I see two men holding hands  . . ."
Baboon-ou, I'm guessing you vomit quite a lot in that case . . . given that you live in the gay capital of Africa.
An abomination you say? Some very progressive and open-minded views you have there, Baboon-ou. It amazes how many of you bible-bashing fundamentalist are also intolerant homophobes.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Dec 2013, 00:37
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07 Dec 2013, 00:37#11
 Homosexuality is wrong rooitwit and I stick by that. God hates their sin but loves the sinner. That is the biblical view. Your problem is that you are your own god and elevate your opinion above His.  But then again you still think nothing created everything using the laws of gravity. bwahhahahahahahahaha. Man does that just take the cake.   
I suppose you think abortion also is just fine?
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
07 Dec 2013, 16:27
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07 Dec 2013, 16:27#12
@beeno1 aka storming ed,

biblical view also condones slavery. it also says that working on the sabbath and childeren disobeying their parents are crimes punishable by death.

theres many views like that the bible has which by todays modern standards are just plain wrong and homosexuals are just one of many.

in saying that it the gay life style IMO is pretty gross, but each to their own i say. but its not abomination as u si dramatically claim and IMO God dosent care about it the way mans religion does.

as for abortions which is another touchy subject, it depends on whether u think life begins at conception or not, IMO it dosent but i am against late term abortions, but believe in a womans right to choose, especially where pregnancy was due to rape etc.

food for thought, but the bible says zero on the topic of abortion.
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
07 Dec 2013, 16:39
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07 Dec 2013, 16:39#13
but to the topic at hand,,,,,

LMFAO at redsneck and his gay rugby trophies.

redsneck is one of the biggest biggots here on sarugby.com, so make no mistake, ARUs proud gay stance is 100% torture to that homophobic prick.

@rooy,
"Baboon-ou, I'm guessing you vomit quite a lot in that case . . . given that you live in the gay capital of Africa."
how very interesting, looks ive got some new bait for the 2014 fishing season, LMAO, :oD

"An abomination you say? Some very progressive and open-minded views you have there, Baboon-ou. It amazes how many of you bible-bashing fundamentalist are also intolerant homophobes."
theres a definite correlation between the two, but those backward christain views are quite the norm.

brother beenos an all right chap though despite his medieval views, but if he was a yank, no doubt he would be one of those crazy republicans who have done a bang up job of turning america into a right royal shit hole.
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redsmanPro1,710 posts
09 Dec 2013, 04:34
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09 Dec 2013, 04:34#14

Sucker you really are ignorant.... I think your gen y ignorance is quite comical if it wasn't so sad for you.............

 

The rest of the kiwi hyenas well just keep practicing rugby league - and one day you might be ABLE to score A SINGLE try against Australia....

 

hahaahahahahaha

 

re the gays maybe Gen Y Sucker you can go pack down in the fr ont row with them.....

 

 

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
09 Dec 2013, 05:00
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09 Dec 2013, 05:00#15

The female of the species really are the nasty ones... Interestingly hyenas are matriarchal... They also sport a very unusual looking appendage -  

 

There really are so many similarities.... cloudy.....

 

Re Mandela in an extremely flawed and imperfect world he tried to change the status quo...

 

whether he succeeded or simply sped up the demise of SA society - time is telling.... I have no doubt the countless murder victims both pre and post mandela don't know the difference....

 

 

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
09 Dec 2013, 07:21
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09 Dec 2013, 07:21#16

sticks and stones cloudy.... sticks and stones....

 

The thing about this forum is that it gives people a chance to have an opinion...

 

You know very little that much is evident by your posts...

 

 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Dec 2013, 13:25
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09 Dec 2013, 13:25#17
saSUE quote me where the bible supports slavery.  Thanks
Now you kiwis and Oz lets not get too vindictive.
Thanks
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
09 Dec 2013, 13:30
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09 Dec 2013, 13:30#18

Note to self: don't mention Samoans or talk of religion or politics to Beeno - it tends to bring out his more irrational side and this does not help his reality-based therapy session with Dr Coudy.

 

JW trying to make the impossible possible

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Dec 2013, 13:45
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09 Dec 2013, 13:45#19
 By the way saSUE its Gods view that homsexuality is a sin and that view will never change. Why. because God is perfect and we are not. Wise men will follow Gods advice on a matter.You are a confused puppy! Fancy being so deceived as to thinking God supports slavery. Amazing really! I trust you are not one of the hatters believing nothing created everything using the laws of gravity? Please saSUE one of these hatters here (rooitwit) is more than enough!!!Re abortion, murder is murder and murder is a sin. Bible is very clear on murder.
saSUE you bible understanding is worse than your rugby hahahahahhahahahaha







JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
09 Dec 2013, 13:55
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09 Dec 2013, 13:55#20

Dr Cloudy: I have received word that Redsman is on a plane to NZ as he has had an epipthany & recognized he needs your reality-based therapy sessions. Can you work him in to your busy schedule?

 

He is a penniless & pitiful bloke so he is relying in Kiwi understanding & charity

 

JW trying to make the impossible possible

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
09 Dec 2013, 14:04
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09 Dec 2013, 14:04#21

 Brother Bueno i have found those Bible passages you requested on slavery...i hear thats why all the Dutch all headed to SA in the first place was due to the abolishment of slavery?

 

Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a person can do.  Yet slavery is rampant throughout the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments.  The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves.

 

    Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants.  Many translations of the Bible use the word "servant", "bondservant", or "manservant" instead of "slave" to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is.  While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn't mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.

 

    The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.

 

    However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.  (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

 

    The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.

 

    If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years.  Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom.  If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year.  But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him.  If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master.  But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children.  I would rather not go free.'  If he does this, his master must present him before God.  Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl.  After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.  (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

 

    Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave.  What kind of family values are these?

 

    The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery.  How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?

 

    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.  (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

 

    So these are the Bible family values!  A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and screws them!

 

    What does the Bible say about beating slaves?  It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing.

 

    When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished.  If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.  (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

 

    You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

 

    Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear.  Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.  (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

 

    Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed.  If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful.  You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts.  Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.  (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

 

    In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.

 

    The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it.  "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly.  Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given."  (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Dec 2013, 14:42
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09 Dec 2013, 14:42#22
 I do not hate kiwis at all but I do like the banter very much and the spirited kiw response and indignation!! I also think my predictions will come to pass so beware kiwis!Redsman please behave yourself and allow Cloudy to misbehave. It's what a gemntelman does.
Cloudy beware of media hype. I am not going into the issues re Mandela but there are issues. You are aware no doubt that dispite massive corruption that started on his beat as president (Including the arms deal disaster) Mandela, since his stepped down from office, has never once raised his voice as far as I know against discrimination or massive anc government fraud. Tutu at least has done that as have other principled black South Africans. To Mandela the anc is everything.I could mention a number of other things but let's leave it there. I think it's too upsetting for some folk to handle as they have idolised Mandela. I have no desire to cause weeping and nashing of teeth over Mandela.
It's quite touching that folk really want to have a real hero and someone to look up to. Man will always fail them when looked at too closely. The Christ, the Son of God will never disappoint. Better they gloriy Him rather than one of His flawed creatures. Mandela is no saint secular or otherwise and a true picture of him is not being given. That does not mean he is worse than most etc. 
I hope you understand this and dont now cause a rumpus. Leave it be as the truth will emmerge. Do you know that Karl Marx was once highly respected in University circles etc. Not today. One hero after another crashes upon closer inspection.I await the verdict of serious historians. In the meantime I do not buy into the hype even from things I have come across.  Mandela himself has warned people about this. One respects him at least for that.In the end we all rise to the judgment seat of Christ where finally a perfect judgment will be given. 
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WardadPro6,663 posts
09 Dec 2013, 14:57
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09 Dec 2013, 14:57#23
 Bean-dick anyone like you who spouts off about gay people being an abomination are usually lurking in the closet hoping no one sees them with the lights off . If you believe everything in the bible literally then you have to beleive that the earth is flat and the universe revolves around the earth plus all the springboks should be put to death for playing and working the sabbath .[ come to think of it the ice-man would be the only rugger player allowed to live by your definitions ] Mandela would be first to admit his faults ,the same faults that the ancient Israelites exhibited when fighting for their freedom .Discrimination ? considering what went on there  are many in SA who are lucky to still be alive and able to worry about discrimination what with all the brutality displayed under apartheid ,dont think I would be as forgiving as Mandela and other black people there .Just because someone declared apartheid over all the benefits of that most heinous of regimes still resided with the white minority and until all have the same opportunity in SA apartheid still reigns in one guise or another .If you dont like Mandela just man up and say so .
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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
09 Dec 2013, 15:18
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09 Dec 2013, 15:18#24

Beeno: you will notice that most of the kiwi posts are politely/humorously responding to Boks posters (I will not mention the Oz posters at this point in the interest of keeping a clear message).

 

In general we do not attack Bok rugby. We rarely point out things like the poor record of the Boks against the Mighty All Blacks; or the poor coaching and endless forlorn efforts of the Boks to understand total and wining rugby. And we patiently wait for a decent Bok team to finally emerge. We don't harp on about the unfairness of this or that or dispute, the counting system the world uses to keep track of rugby scores & outcomes (this numbering system is also used in less important fields such as finance, science, etc).

 

No we politely provide a humble response to what some would call insane comments & treat them as though they had at least some value.

 

In short Beeno we try to set an example. We humbly ask you to try & keep the unruly Bok poster & the undomesticated Oz posters in line.

 

Thanks Beeno, we know we can count on you.

 

JW: trying to make the impossible possible.

 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Dec 2013, 15:42
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09 Dec 2013, 15:42#25
 Waped dud do you know what we have ended up with. One of the most corrupt self serving regimes in the world. The financial press has had articles where the auditor general has said said R30 billion rand a year is being lost through procurement fraud.BEE has somply beeen a massive fraud and way of enriching anc elites.
Corruption at Municpal level is endemic. Ineffcieincy is legendary and service deliver riots happen. Hospital and schools are collapsing. Under Mbekie there was an aids genocideI could go on and on. Mandela was been linked to the arms deal corruption, he knew about the anc death camps etc.  Corruption started from virtually day one of the anc commencing governing. I suggest you take a deep breath get of your rocking horse and get real.I also hear mandela address an anc meeting and he was nothing like his international persona.If mandela was so for SA why has there been this deafening silence since he stepped down. His voice would have ment a lot. Why? 
The anc played the world community to a tee telling them all they wanted to hear. The world community now says nothing about the anc nefariuos activities in SA.  South Africa needs much better than its getting. We are governed now by Mandelas party and its rotten to the core and has be so since day one. Thankfully voters are slowly realising this and therein lies the hope for the country.
You are shouting your big mouth off about things you know little about led by the nose by the media. My advice - read a histroy written in about 30 years time about his life. Chances are you will get a much more accurate view.
My wife works at a large hospital in a consultancy capacity. No mention of mandela was made the whole day. Perhaps many folk here today wonder about him.
I have serious doubt about his secular sainthood and rightly so. That said RIP Mandela. We are all, after all, sinners. Best to know that. When Obama came to power the US WAS IN RAPTURES.  Now his rating has plummeted. But can you credit that the public remains so gullible - led by the nose repeatedly!Next election some other guy pomises them the moon and they go into raptures again certain everything will change. Absolutely amazing! The power of the media to take the masses with them is real scary. Many a media saint has crashed.It is extremely difficult to understand why oaks like ou warped dud are so gullible.Anyone taking the media at face value is an ass or is being made an ass of. One has to be careful what one sucks up. I spoke to some folk recently and the consensus was that in every incidence where there was personal knowledge of an event the media had distorted the issue.
Those wishing to idolise Mandela please feel free but I will not. I dont think he is all he is cracked up to be, neither does he himself think that and on principle I do not idolise any man.Beeno hopefully clarifying matters but knoweing some they dont want matters clarified. 

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WardadPro6,663 posts
09 Dec 2013, 16:05
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09 Dec 2013, 16:05#26
 I suppose you are pining for the good old days eh ? Sow the wind reap the whirlwind .
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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
09 Dec 2013, 16:21
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09 Dec 2013, 16:21#27
 Cloudy: even in AB,com we had the full spectrum of posters  the profoundly insane/ disturbed  to the best of rugby mates. IMO it is not so different here Rucker , wallaroo are like Redsman & Boklogic, etc. 
Glad the SA posters have in general made us welcome & appreciate our efforts to bring knowledge & wisdom  ( there is no eject button on this site so they are stuck with us, lol),
Maybe we will get our site back for Christmas  but it could be that we got our gift early this year , ie undefeated season. Not a bad Christmas gift eh?
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
09 Dec 2013, 16:30
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09 Dec 2013, 16:30#28
Cloudy, I think Beeno ate the reindeer - he was so protein deprived he couldn't help himself & he has been acting like a grinch lately
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
09 Dec 2013, 17:38
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09 Dec 2013, 17:38#29
 well done Team - I just need this to keep going to beat Saffex's "I am leaving this site" numbers. His numbers were definitely biased since alot of people turned up to make sure he went hehehehehehehehehehehehe  - just kidding Saffex.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
09 Dec 2013, 22:19
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09 Dec 2013, 22:19#30
 Baboon-ou, you demanded some quotes where the bible supports or condones slavery and Brycy has provided you with several. Please have the decency and the common courtesy to acknowledge Brycy's response.
I realise you're feeling like a bit of an idiot as the egg dribbles down your fat face and your childish and naive notions of Christianity have just been exploded, but it would be simple good manners to at least acknowledge that your request was granted.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Dec 2013, 12:25
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10 Dec 2013, 12:25#31
 Isee ou rootiwt is demanding a response so who am  to keep so eminent a  personage waiting.
Oaks please look up the scriptures quoted and try to gain understanding. It is amazing that some sinners get to the ppoint where they think they can put God who is Holy and just in the dock and attribute to Him the works of Satan.  Very sad.

With hands tied above and his battered body hanging from a beam, the shirtless young black man absorbed punishing whiplashes until he placated his white owner by uttering his new name. Such images from the TV miniseries Roots imprinted on the minds of a generation the brutality of slavery.

Since slavery is today considered a great moral evil, some wonder why the Bible doesn’t categorically condemn the practice. Critics even insist that the Bible (both Old and New Testaments) condones, if not promotes, slavery. Some “new atheists” proclaim that the Bible can’t serve as a basis for morality because it fails to condemn the primitive and barbaric practices of humanity’s past—especially slavery! 

It is true that the Bible does not formally and explicitly condemn slavery as an institution. So how do we account for this? Just what does the Bible say about slavery? Several important points warrant careful consideration.

1.       The forms of servitude and slavery practiced in a biblical context bear little resemblance to the tyrannical type of slavery found in the American antebellum South and in other modern Western countries. Certain moderate forms of “servitude”—for example, indentured (voluntary) servitude—were considered morally beneficial before God under certain circumstances in the Old Testament. Examples of this are seen in voluntary indenturement in order to earn a living or to learn a trade. It could also include the indenturement of a criminal in order for the offender to render restitution. But in none of these moderate cases, nor even the more extreme case of foreigners captured by the Israelites in war, would the so-called slave or servant be viewed as a mere piece of property without human rights. Nor would the time of servitude be constituted as a life term of bondage (Deuteronomy 15:12-13). Many slaves in the ancient world, and especially those held by the Hebrews, were able to earn their freedom.

2.       The institution of slavery was so deeply rooted in ancient culture that it could not be dismantled overnight. Old Testament scholar Gleason L. Archer notes: “As to the moral status of slavery in ancient times, it must be recognized that it was practiced by every ancient people of which we have any historical record: Egyptians, Sumerians, Babylonians, Assyrians, Phoenicians, Syrians, Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Greeks, Romans, and all the rest.”1 Furthermore, Christian apologist Paul Copan states: “During the first century A.D., approximately 85 to 90 percent of Rome’s population consisted of slaves.”2 Slavery was viewed as playing a critical economic role for society. Nevertheless, the Old Testament Mosaic Law limited and regulated the practice and sought to correct its inhumane abuses (Exodus 20:10; 21:20-27). Unlike with slavery in other cultures, the masters in a biblical context did not have absolute rights over their slaves. Forms of slavery and servitude were permitted in the Old Testament, but it was never considered the moral ideal (Deuteronomy 15:18).

3.       Unlike some ancient cultures, and certainly unlike the American South in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, the slaves in the Old Testament were recognized as full persons who possessed human dignity and basic rights (Deuteronomy 5:14; Job 31:13-15). Abusing one’s slaves and servants was viewed as being both imprudent and immoral (Deuteronomy 23:15-16). A group of biblical scholars provide this perspective on the Old Testament’s true position concerning slavery: “Nowhere was the institution of slavery as such condemned; but then, neither did it have anything like the connotations it grew to have during the days of those who traded human life as if it were a mere commodity for sale.”3

4.       The New Testament indicates that in God’s sight there is “neither slave nor free” (Galatians 3:28; Colossians 3:11) and that both are part of Christ’s church and equally accountable to God (Ephesians 6:5-9). In fact, in the apostolic church, slaves were granted all the rights and privileges of free men (see the book of Philemon).

5.       The likely reason that the apostolic authors of the New Testament did not categorically condemn slavery was because they placed the preaching of the gospel and the redemption of lost souls ahead of societal reform. Yet that very biblical teaching about humankind and their relationship to God through Christ was the inevitable moral and spiritual force that showed the fundamental injustice of slavery in the Western world.   

6.       God’s way of eliminating slavery was to allow the biblical teachings (the “Good News”) to spread throughout all cultures. Indeed, it was the Judeo-Christian teaching that human beings have intrinsic value and worth as a result of being made in God’s image (Genesis 1:26-27) that brought an end to slavery. Many in the abolitionist movements of England and America in the nineteenth century were Protestant evangelical Christians. And they viewed slavery as being fundamentally inconsistent with the historic Christian view of man’s creation and redemption.

So while the Bible doesn’t formally and explicitly condemn slavery, neither does it condone it. It was the unique ethical message contained in Scripture concerning human dignity and redemption that provided the moral and spiritual force that ultimately succeeded in eliminating slavery as an institution. The gospel message of salvation in Jesus Christ remains a powerful force against human evil and social injustice. It is also the only antidote for each human being’s slavery to sin and death.

 

The Bible both prohibits certain kinds of slavery, and permits other kinds, and so does our own U.S. Constitution by the 13th Amendment, which abolished only certain forms of slavery.

·         The Bible condemns kidnapping as a capital crime, and kidnapping is what fueled the African slave trade to America from the 1500s to 1800s. Therefore, because the Old and New Testaments (Ex. 21:16; 1 Tim. 1:9-10; etc.) condemn kidnapping, the teaching of Scripture condemns virtually the entirety of American slavery.

·         The Bible shows the wickedness of enslaving a race of people by kidnapping through the Israelites bondage to the Egyptians, Assyrians, and Babylonians.

·         The Bible speaks of justifiable forms of servitude as punishment for crime (Ex. 22:1-3), for unpaid debt (Lev 25:39), and as a deterrent against warfare. Consider a similar testimony from an anti-biblical source. Charles Darwin inherited the anti-slavery attitude of his parents (and even their parents supported the Christian abolitionist William Wilberforce). Yet even Darwin wrote in Descent of Man that "slavery" was "in some ways beneficial during ancient times..." Sadly though, the Darwin-inspired hatred for minorities and indigenous peoples was spurred on by grotesque, openly racists comments, and also to an extent by his comments in Origin of Species, he including his claim that, "...it is far more satisfactory to look at such instincts as... ants making slaves... not as specially endowed or created instincts, but as small consequences of one general law, leading to the advancement of all organic beings, namely, multiply, vary, let the strongest live and the weakest die."

·         The Bible teaches that Hebrew slaves are to be released in their seventh year (Ex. 21:2), and at the year of Jubilee, and that they could be redeemed.

·         The 13th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution did not abolish slavery but retained justifiable slavery, which is moral, biblical, and avoids the tragedy of widespread bankruptcy and epidemic incarceration.
     "Section 1--Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude,
     except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted,
     shall exist within the United States…" Amendment XIII, 1865

·         Scripture prefaces commands of kindness toward slaves with a reminder that the Jews were slaves in Egypt (Lev. 25:42); do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

·         Because of Israel's national covenant with God, the Mosaic Law allowed foreigners to sell themselves as permanent slaves (Lev. 25:44) to the Jews, and they could also sell their own children (Lev. 25:45) to the Hebrews, which culturally seems unjust today, but this did deliver children from unfit parents. Also, in ancient times, mere survival was often nearly impossible, and scriptural regulations for polygamy and slavery would have mitigated the death rate.

·         The New Testament teaches equitable treatment of bondservants: Col. 4:1Eph 6:9.

·         Yes, historically and tragically, Christians have justified ownership of black slaves, and yet, it was practicing evangelical Christian abolitionists like William Wilberforce and Harriet Tubman who heroically led the fight to end slavery.

 

 

Although the Bible does not universally, explicitly, and absolutely condemn all forms of slavery, we do find explicit rejection of the many types of slavery practiced in modernity. The hope of this paper is to orient the practice of slavery within the context of the Scriptures in order to better understand what they do and do not say about the institution. In doing so, we will find that arguments regarding the Bible’s alleged acceptance of slavery are often unfounded and unfair.

Slavery in general is not explicitly condemned in the Scriptures. Instead, we see a pattern of divine regulation of the institution.1 Within the context of the early nation of Israel and the instructions found within the New Testament, we see parameters and boundaries for the practice, but no absolute prohibition.

This failure to explicitly restrict slavery in general is often used either as justification for the institution or as ammunition against the inspiration and authority of the Scriptures in an attempt to invalidate the exclusive claims of Christianity. Why does the Bible not condemn slavery? If God is good and slavery is evil, why then does He not explicitly denounce the practice? Why does He instead allow it within both ancient Israel and the early Church?

In order to answer these questions, we need to evaluate some modern notions of slavery itself and enter more properly into the world which the Scriptures speak. In doing so, we will find that far from condoning modern conceptions of slavery, the Bible actually rejects quite clearly the injustice and oppression upon which modern slavery is founded.

Types of Slavery

To understand the Scriptural regulation of the institution of slavery, it is essential that we recognize a fundamental distinction between the slavery of the biblical world and that practiced within the 17th-21stcenturies. When most of us think of the word “slavery,” we immediately conceive of 19th century Western slavery practiced in the Southern U.S. or the sex slave trade of today, conceptions which are only particular evil variants of the practice. Such expressions of slavery are actually quite dissimilar to the institutions regulated within the Scriptures.

The fact that the Bible never explicitly condemns ancient slavery does not at all imply that it has nothing to say regarding modern slavery. Rather, “modern readers must overcome their temptation to read into any ancient Jewish, Greek or Roman text their knowledge of modern slavery. The meanings of any familiar-sounding terms can be determined only by a close investigation of the particular social systems and cultural values the early Christian writers took for granted.”2

Distinctive Elements of Early Types of Slavery

1.    An enslaved person generally could not be identified by appearance or clothing; racial or ethnic origins were not reliable indicators of social or legal status.

2.    The cultural and religious traditions of slaves were usually those of their owners and other free persons.

3.    Education of slaves was encouraged, enhancing their value; some slaves were better educated than their owners. Rome’s cultural leadership in the empire largely depended on educated, foreign-born slaves who had been taken there.

4.    Partially as a result, many slaves functioned in highly responsible and sensitive positions such as workshop and household managers, accountants, tutors, personal secretaries, sea captains and physicians. An important minority of slaves had considerable influence and social power, even over freeborn persons of lesser status than the slaves’ owners.

5.    By no means were the enslaved regularly to be found at the bottom of the socioeconomic pyramid. Rather those free and impoverished persons who had to seek work each day without any certainty of employment occupied the lowest level. Some of them sold themselves into slavery in order to obtain job security, food, clothing and shelter.

6.    Slaves could own property, including their own slaves. They could accumulate funds that they might use to purchase their own freedom.

7.    Because slaves were owned by persons across the range of economic levels, they developed no consciousness of being a social class or of suffering a common plight. Thus no laws were needed to hinder public assembly of slaves.

8.    In contrast to New World slavery, ancient owners did not regard their adult slaves paternalistically; they clearly distinguished the roles of parents and of owners and felt no need to justify the institution of slavery.

9.    Persons not infrequently sold themselves to pay debts, to escape poverty, to climb socially or to obtain special governmental positions.

10.  A large number of domestic and urban slaves, perhaps the majority, could anticipate being set free (manumitted) by age thirty, becoming a freedman or a freedwoman (see Acts 6:9, “the synagogue of the freedmen”). At any moment innumerable ex-slaves throughout the empire were proof that slavery need not be a permanent condition. And even ancient Greek commentators expressed astonishment that slaves freed by Roman citizens usually became Roman citizens themselves at their manumission. Notable in Acts 23–25 is the Roman governor Marcus Antonius Felix, who had been a slave until Antonia, the emperor Claudius’s mother, manumitted him.3

Most Modern Forms of Slavery are Explicitly Condemned

In highlighting distinctive characteristics of early slavery in contrast to modern forms, one may notice that certain elements of modern slavery are explicitly forbidden within the Scriptures. For instance, the Western slave trade thrived upon the kidnapping of men, women, and children while such a practice is expressly prohibited in the Bible.

·         Exodus 21:16

·         Deuteronomy 24:7

·         1 Timothy 1:10

Western slavery in former centuries (and the majority of forms now) functioned through a trade built upon and fueled by abduction expressly and strongly prohibited within the Scriptures. Thus, the vast majority of forms of modern Western slavery are explicitly condemned within the Scriptures.

Rather than blindly interpreting the Bible’s regulation of ancient slavery as condoning our modern conception of the institution, we should seek to understand ancient slavery and how the Scriptures function within those particular frameworks. When understood correctly, we begin to see that not only was ancient slavery quite different from modern, but also that the Bible actually has quite a bit to say about the prohibition of such modern variants.

Is Slavery Always and Inherently Unjust?

A fundamental assumption behind the modern criticism of the Bible’s regulation of slavery is that slavery is an innately evil and unjust institution. Since this is the foundational presumption of the argument which rejects the Scriptures for not rejecting slavery, I think it is worth exploring.

Slavery is not inherently unjust or evil. Rather, it is the type or form of slavery which determines the degree to which it is just or unjust. Some forms are absolutely and essentially evil, while others are morally neutral and natural.

Slavery is a universal principle of creation. All creatures are confined to some being or principle. There is no escape from enslavement, no existence in which absolute autonomy and unlimited independence are obtained. All creatures are ultimately enslaved; either to sin, Satan and fleshly desires or to the true God and King, Jesus Christ (John 8:31-36Romans 6:15-19). True freedom is not found in independence from our Creator, but rather in subjection to His sovereignty. There is no lasting liberty apart from captivity to Christ.It is in this “slavery” that our greatest joy is found.

Therefore, slavery as a concept is neither inherently good nor bad. Judgment of the practice depends on whom the master is and how he treats his slaves. Our Master treats us with compassion and kindness and this is the basis for how the New Testament expects slave owners to treat their slaves (Ephesians 6:5-9 andColossians 3:33-4:1). Indeed, it is important to note that even within Old Testament we find counter-cultural instructions on the treatment of slaves admonishing compassion and kindness (Deuteronomy 15:12-15,23:15).

The Church and Slavery

There is no doubt that the Church has not consistently rejected the practice of slavery in general, nor even of the perverse versions of the past. Rather, Scriptural ambiguity and regulation has often been used to justify all kinds of corruption and oppression. It is certainly and regrettably true that many pastors and priests have argued for the permissibility of slavery on “biblical” grounds. This historical justification of an evil practice is certainly unfortunate, tragic and incorrect.

At the same time, it must be asked upon what principle slavery was officially abolished. What overarching worldview led to the crumbling of the imperial and colonial slave trades? Men like John Newton and William Wilberforce led the charge not on the basis of the “self-evident” equality of all men, but rather the dignity of man as an image-bearer of the Creator God Who has revealed Himself in Jesus Christ.

So enormous, so dreadful, so irremediable did the [slave] trade’s wickedness appear that my own mind was completely made up for abolition. Let the consequences be what they would: I from this time determined that I would never rest until I had effected its abolition.4

Never, never, will we desist till we have wiped away this scandal from the Christian name, released ourselves from the load of guilt, and extinguished every trace of this bloody traffic.5

Christians who argued for Western slavery on the basis of the biblical text were simply wrong. Perhaps they themselves misunderstood the text, were sinfully motivated to act with hypocrisy, or were fearful of the cultural implications of dissidence. While we can certainly find fault in these errors, such faults do not invalidate Christianity, the Scriptures, or Christ.

Conclusion

The Scriptures do not explicitly condemn slavery in general, but they do regulate the practice in such a way as to expressly condemn the modern practice of the institution. By expressly forbidding the foundations of modern forms and its unjust expressions, the Scriptures offer a strong and loud word on the subject that we would do well to hear and heed. Not only do we find the clear call for the Church to reject enslaving oppression, but we hear and see an exalted Son Who conquers all injustice and grants true redemption regardless of social status, ethnicity, or gender. In bondage to Him, we find life, liberty, and perpetual joy.

·         1 Corinthians 12:12–13

·         Galatians 3:28–29

·         Colossians 3:11

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Footnotes

1 Some argue that regulation is acceptance, but I do not think such is the case. The Old Testament never directly condemns divorce and yet the New clarifies that God accommodated sinful man in this regard (Matthew 19:8-9). Though divorce was regulated in the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 24:1-4), it was not therefore justified by God. God’s choice to not condemn divorce does not mean that He condoned it. Is it not possible that slavery is parallel in this regard?

2 Martin, R. P., & Davids, P. H. (2000). Dictionary of the later New Testament and its developments (electronic ed.). Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.

3 In distinguishing elements, it is impossible to cover every particular instance. These characteristics present a portrait of early types of slavery in general. Though this list deals primarily with slavery in the New Testament context, similar investigation of the Old Testament context would reveal parallel contrasts.

4 Galli, M., & Olsen, T. (2000). 131 Christians Everyone Should Know (283). Nashville, TN: Broadman & Holman Publishers.

5 Shelley, B. L. (1995). Church History In Plain Language (Updated 2nd ed.) (368). Dallas, Tex.: Word Pub.

 

 

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