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Ref kills the Test as a contest

Started by hakwa27 REPLIES952 VIEWS· 01 Jul 2017, 13:47
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
01 Jul 2017, 13:47
#1
01 Jul 2017, 13:47#1
Waited all week for the Test only for the ref to take centre stage and ruin the spectacle.
Sure SBW deserved a penalty and a card but red?? Yellow at best. Then he subconsciously tried to make it up to the ABs by ignoring genuine Lions penalties....in the end the only thing consistent was his inconsistency.
Hope the citing committee take a good look at that swinging arm into Naholo's jaw that made him fail the concussion test.
Hope the ref next saturday does not try to steal the spotlight on himself.
12years ref, 12years waiting for this series. Let the temptation pass to take centre stage.
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
01 Jul 2017, 14:07
#2
01 Jul 2017, 14:07#2
"Boohoo . . . the ref was so ugly to us . . . sniff . . . it's just not fair . . . blubber, whine, snivel . . ."
LMAO!
Music to my ears! I always love to hear ref-bashers like hakwa and Baboon-ou blubbering like big crybabies every time their team loses.
A lot of the Kiwis on this board have given Baboon-ou a lot of stick over the years because of his pathetic ref-bashing (and they're not wrong) but many of them are no better. Hypocrites and crybabies!
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
01 Jul 2017, 14:22
#3
01 Jul 2017, 14:22#3
 Rooi, leave 15men vs 15men on the field for 80minutes. All we want is a fair contest. If you beat us fair and square, we will admit it and congratulate you and find ways to get better. The Boks beat us 3-0 in 2009. We did not complain then because the better Team won.
Now there is a concerted effort by everyone including former international refs (Kaplan I am looking at you.........the same ref that let a Test continue for 4 extra minutes after the final siren and the ball going dead twice in a certain Bledisloe Test letting the opposition kick the winning penalty in that time and then blowing on that whistle to end the test like there was no tomorrow) to help the opposition beat the ABs by envy, snipe and snide.
Instead of envying why don't you relax, give us a fair and level playing field and enjoy the show. Just be thankful the best team to ever play the game is happening in your life time.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
01 Jul 2017, 14:24
#4
01 Jul 2017, 14:24#4
 
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaaaa!!

What took you so long, Hakwa?

Thought for a moment you'd grown a pair and decided to take the defeat like a man.

Glad to see you haven't changed at all. Still the snivelling, pouting faggot you've always been.

I take it you won't be praising your god today then, right?

No "all the glory goes to god through Jesus his son blah, blah, blah nonsense this time round, huh?

Never mind ... I'm sure you'll get all the support from your kinsmen shortly.

LOL!!!!!!!!





HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
01 Jul 2017, 14:30
#5
01 Jul 2017, 14:30#5
 I give All the Glory to GOD through his loving SON and my LORD and SAVIOUR for the All Blacks standing up and playing like men with only 14men.
You like that CC?  - And long may the All Blacks be Number 1 in the world and win the next Rugby World Cup in 2019.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
01 Jul 2017, 14:32
#6
01 Jul 2017, 14:32#6
@Hakwa. Karma is a bitch, ain't she? Remember Bismarck's red card?
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,259 posts
01 Jul 2017, 14:38
#7
01 Jul 2017, 14:38#7
I was not sure if that was a yellow or a red.

However, the referee appeared to consult with the touch judges (also referees), as well as the video referee. 
What might make it red, was that it was 2 yellow offences in one tackle.
1.  shoulder charge.2. Tackling above the shoulders/head area.

Rugby Laws:http://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=10&language=EN

http://laws.worldrugby.org/?domain=9&guideline=3&language=EN
http://laws.worldrugby.org/?domain=9&guideline=3&language=EN
Punching or striking. A player must not strike an opponent with the hand, arm or fist, including the elbow, shoulder, head or knee(s).
Dangerous tackling. A player must not tackle an opponent early, late or dangerously.

Sanction: Penalty kick

A player must not tackle (or try to tackle) an 

opponent above the line of the shoulders 

even if the tackle starts below the line of 

the shoulders. A tackle around the opponent’s neck or head is dangerous play.

Sanction: Penalty kick


t an IRB Medical Conference held in November 2010 at Lensbury the results of studies related to injuries

 sustained as a result of tackles were outlined. A study in England concluded that “stricter implementation 

of the Laws of Rugby relating to collisions and tackles above the line of the shoulder may reduce the number 

of head/neck injuries”.A separate study in 

New Zealand concluded that “ball carriers 

were at highest risk from tackles to the head and neck region”.

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I did some research on rugby league and shoulder charges. It seems shoulder charges to the head are not allowed in rugby league.


https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/the-dangers-of-a-shoulder-charge-to-the-head/

The shoulder charge debate is back on the agenda after two controversial incidents in last weekend’s Super League and NRL games.

On Friday night in the south of France, Tony Puletua was sent off for crushing Gregory Mounis’ face while on Saturday morning (UK time) Greg Inglis’ shoulder charge on Dean Young saw the St George Illawarra back rower knocked out for several moments.


Watch the Tony Puletua shoulder charge on Gregory Mounis below.

Since Friday night there appears to be a mixed reaction to Puletua’s hit on Mounis. Some argue against Ben Thaler’s decision to dismiss the St Helens prop from the field of play, while others are siding with the Yorkshire official in sending him from the field.

Puletua’s sending off is consistent with Richard Silverwood’s decision to dismiss Sam Moa for a very similar challenge on Julien Rinaldi earlier this season between Hull FC and London Broncos. 


In all three instances there was direct contact with the ball carrier’s head. In all three instances the defender lined up the ball carrier, ruling out any circumstance of accidental contact. 

The defender knows what he is doing, and knows he is committing to a potentially dangerous move.

From this point on it is up to the defender to make sure there is no contact to the head. 

The shoulder charge, when it hits the chest, is a very effective tackling procedure which gets the crowd on it’s feet. I personally have no problem with the shoulder charge when it is executed and timed perfectly to the body. 

However, if it makes contact with the head, like in all three circumstances above, it is dangerous. If anybody thinks otherwise I would love for them to be on the receiving end of Inglis’ shoulder. That might change their mind, if they wake up afterwards.

While rugby league is seen as entertainment for many, the players are human beings and should be protected accordingly by the match official. In two of the three instances above, the defender has been dismissed after his misconduct, while Inglis is looking at four to five matches for his actions in Saturday’s NRL match.

The amount of support Puletua and Moa (and to a lesser extent in the UK, Inglis) received from spectators following their dismissals and charges by their respective disciplinary panels is staggering. 

Everybody loves to see a big hit in rugby league, but when they go wrong they can endanger the rest of a player’s career and life. Therefore I applaud the RFL and the match officials on the day in France and Hull for their actions.


CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
01 Jul 2017, 14:42
#8
01 Jul 2017, 14:42#8
 
Well, Faggot ... it seems he let you and New Zealand down this time round. Shame. All that worshipping and that's how he rewards you?? Much like what he did to Job, huh?

Maybe he was asleep. All that self adoration is bound to tucker anyone out. 

Perhaps you should bang a spoon on a pot lid to wake him up from his slumber ... you know , when next you need his support against those cheating refs.

LOL!!!

 


HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
01 Jul 2017, 14:43
#9
01 Jul 2017, 14:43#9
 @Ceradyne, that's like comparing apples and oranges. Bismarcks red came after a 2nd yellow. It's not like after the shoulder, SBW went and elbowed someone in the throat trying to crush their wind pipe.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
01 Jul 2017, 14:45
#10
01 Jul 2017, 14:45#10
 
The one against Bismarck wasn't justified.

The one against the arrogant self absorbed Williams was.

Suck it up, Faggot!!



HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
01 Jul 2017, 14:51
#11
01 Jul 2017, 14:51#11
 What's with all the name calling CC? Out of the heart the mouth speaketh...your heart seems to be full of identity issues bro. Talk to someone.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Jul 2017, 17:19
#12
01 Jul 2017, 17:19#12
 The SBW red was a sure red. He should get a 6 week ban minimum.Sad that it influenced a fair contest, but that's how it is.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
01 Jul 2017, 18:26
#13
01 Jul 2017, 18:26#13
 ABs had their chances but let the Lions back in the game. For sure playing with 14 men was a major factor but ABs got ahead and could have won it. 
Ref could easily have been taken out of the game (not counting the SBW brain fart) as the ABs were racking up the points as Lions stopped plays through penalties - not enough points though and no try. Sorry to see them lose but it will set up a great game next weekend at Eden Park. ABs will be pumped.
ABs also tried out some new players and gave other new players more playing time so they are building depth. Usually they do this while winning & business as usual will resume soon
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Jul 2017, 20:13
#14
01 Jul 2017, 20:13#14
Hi there my good friend hacked waaaugh.  The red sadly was justified. And as Nass botha and John Robbie said the ref had an outstanding job. No use wailing on about the ref kbbs as he got it right. I have to say though that bad reffing needs to be called out!! That spineless jelly baby rooiwtit never could rise to the occasion and call out a crooked ref.
kbbs should not take this an being the end of the world and thereby make a spectacle of themselves. Chances are they will win the next test.
Beeno helping the kbbs to lose gracefully!
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
01 Jul 2017, 21:51
#15
01 Jul 2017, 21:51#15
 Oh fcuk!
Is Poite reffing the next game?
Now there is a dog shyte ref if ever there was one. How he remains on the international circuit is a complete mystery.
You guys may as well shoulder charge every tackle in the next game as you have just as good a chance of being sent off for a legal hit hehe
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
01 Jul 2017, 22:25
#16
01 Jul 2017, 22:25#16
 Here's that loudmouthed Kaplan's opinion on the ref
Article

When referring to the Lions he says:

"I would actually argue that he was kind to them. Of those five penalties in the first 17 minutes [of the second half], only one was in any way questionable, and I do not think any of them were wrong.

 

"With so many penalties it must have been tempting to show a yellow card but you could tell Jerome did not want to do that unless he had to.

 

"He was working with the Lions as much as he could, before Vunipola's cleanout on Barrett left him with no choice but to send the prop to the bin."

 

Not sure what "he was working with the Lions as much as he could..." means. A strange comment for sure.

AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
02 Jul 2017, 01:30
#17
02 Jul 2017, 01:30#17
Rules are Rules even to u Kiwis.
Stop bitching SBW deserved a Red Card and Barret should have been given a Yellow one for acting. 
Accept what you dish out .........
Just_win........shame.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
02 Jul 2017, 01:33
#18
02 Jul 2017, 01:33#18
 AJ, read my post mate, the one before I quoted Kaplan. 
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
02 Jul 2017, 04:48
#19
02 Jul 2017, 04:48#19
 Arthur John, so did the Lion that knocked Waisake out, wouldn't u agree??? 
BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
02 Jul 2017, 05:01
#20
02 Jul 2017, 05:01#20
I dunno who will benefit the most but the next French ref Poite is even more clousseautic than Msieur Garces.
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
03 Jul 2017, 11:47
#21
03 Jul 2017, 11:47#21
 Is Poite the one that reffed the Crusaders vs Lions game-->the one that could not tell a dominant scrum if it hit him between the eyes  --->Oh that's right he never even let any scrum set preferring to penalise the Saders before any engagement.
This Lions Tour should be renamed ==French Refs Tour / Blind Froggie Tours.
Listen you French muppets, your quarter final loss in the RWC was your fault -->your Team played rubbish footy. Even now the Boks are beating you 
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
03 Jul 2017, 12:49
#22
03 Jul 2017, 12:49#22
 Haters will be haters. In case u don't know Cloudy, our Bok friends here are true blue Bok supporters. They want to be the ones to beat the ABs and noone else LOLS . They are happy the Lions beat us because that means they think they have a chance to beat us...but Deep down they are also angry that we let the Lions beat us. Their feelings are jumbled as is their rugby  .....what say we give them their one week of fun and gloating before farewelling the pusi cats from Eden Park? 
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
03 Jul 2017, 12:55
#23
03 Jul 2017, 12:55#23
Hey hakwa, you know that god you always give thanks and glory to whenever the All Blacks win, did he switch teams on Saturday?

LMAO!
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
03 Jul 2017, 13:06
#24
03 Jul 2017, 13:06#24
 Get it right Rooinek, I give him Glory despite the loses. I ain't no fair weather child of GOD. 24years of RWC drought, I give him Glory despite the pain and defeat and the labels of chokers, never won outside of NZ etc etc.
GOD promised to pay back double = 48years of All Blacks Dominance and more, NOW isn't that a frightening thought Rooi my friend with your snide remark
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
03 Jul 2017, 13:13
#25
03 Jul 2017, 13:13#25
"Get it right Rooinek, I give him Glory despite the loses."

Really? Do you have even one example of giving glory and thanks to god when the All Blacks or a New Zealand side lost?

Just one?
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
03 Jul 2017, 13:16
#26
03 Jul 2017, 13:16#26
 I just did on 1/7/17 in response to CC.
I give ALL the Glory to GOD for the ABs playing like men with only 14 against 15.
Scroll up Rooi

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
03 Jul 2017, 13:20
#27
03 Jul 2017, 13:20#27
But wasn't that in response to Klown asking you a similar question to mine?

Give me an example where you did it without being prodded or encouraged . . . where you simply gave thanks and glory to your god after a defeat without anyone asking you to.
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
03 Jul 2017, 13:31
#28
03 Jul 2017, 13:31#28
 Now there Rooinek is your homework. Too much work for me. Look up my posts.
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