Reinach today...

  Did you saw the match?  Reinach did very wekll in the tests and you still criticized him.  What a load of crap you come up with in respect of players you dislike?

I watched the match OOmpie...be honest now, he was inept. Hell Peyper even missed one of his knock ons, but there were at least two others. Butterfingers really.  

 Reinach is the best young halfback you have got. Is he a perfect player? No but who is other then Dan Carter in his prime . 

Pollard is the best young halfback we have, and he is more advanced than Carter at a similar age. Carter was  still learning his trade by observing from inside centre. 

Reinach didn't have his best game but to write him off after it is ridiculous. He's a really promising young scrum-half,  who will only improve. People have a problem changing views on a player once they've made it but sometimes you have to admit you made a mistake - I'll start I though Victor would be a huge failure this RC but I was pleasantly surprised, he was decent and definitely did contribute to our RC results.Also, I though Hougaard wouldn't return to his old form but I though he was just awesome.

 That maybe true. But being at an advanced level, does not mean you well reach your peak any sooner. No Flyhalf IMO has ever come near Carters peformance againgst the Lions in 2005, often regarded as the greatest performance by a flyhalf ever, I Don't think that well ever be topped. For the record your refering to Handre Pollard right? He's a flyhalf not a halfback , unless he plays both.

 Actually it's conventional to refer to both 9 and 10 as halfbacks. No disagreements on Carter though, he has been one of the best.

 Daddy I'm not writing him off based on one game, but I have yet to see him really convince in a pure scrum half sense. He has time, but at almost 25 he is  mid career. Besides its fair game to express doubts....if we can't do that this will be a very boring place.
But good on you for admitting your view changes.

Mozart
You have yet to look objectively at the player as he performed in the two tests when he came on from the bench.   Today you saw two knock ons from Reinach which the referee missed.  This is the same kind of BS you came up in the case of the Andrews article.  
Your bias is so bad - you overlook anything positve players you dislike do and concentrate on one or two incidents in a series.   In the meantime when players you like under-perform - that is according to you  fine.  That is why a player assessment made by you is worthless and ridiculous.   
 

 I get what you're saying Mozart, he's by no means the finished package but he can be something special. I think working with someone like Fourie Du Preez when he's back from injury (maybe EOYT) will do him the world of good.

 Reinach has had little game time warming the Bok bench for ages. He was not his best but solid enough. To conclude all your bullshit Moffie is ignorance of the highest order. No doubt you will tell us Pienaar is better. 
Reinach IS a class act, plays it on the edge.

So your point Dave is he was poor yesterday because he hadn't enough game time...but he was supposedly excellent against Oz and NZ.....with even less game time. Can you see how flawed your argument is...as full of holes as a Swiss cheese. 
My guess is the Australian game suited him, we were playing wide open rugby and the Aussies were out on their feet. Against NZ he didn't do much. And then yesterday he had to control a game, set strategy and he started bumbling.
I take Daddy's point that he can learn from F du Preez. Let's see if that's enough. Right now he continues to look half baked.

 Mozqart
Let get ot syrtaight - what you said Dave wrote is completelky incorrect.   Dave said "he ws not his best, but solid"  - which does not equate to poor.   Your guess means NOTHING - zero - zilch.   Reinach did very well in the AB test as well - so you are talking tripe.
Look - why don't you debate things like an adult - when a statekment is made, why don't you deal with the statement by presenting counter-arguments and factual ones at that.   Your opinions on Reinach should be based on fact - not your own fabrication - like the allegations you made about him iro of the Super 15 semi-final - where you were asked to pointedly about  what he did wrong and you refused to support your arguments by factual information about what happened during the game.   That could then be discussed to find out whether what happened is factual and not one of your fabrications.
Unfortunately that is standard with you - when anybody made allegaions about inefficient player performances in the case of players you like - your response is normally to attack the member or pers on who makes the allegations - not deal with the issue(s) raised.    

 Moffie let me stop you there where did I say he was poor?

You didn't stop me Dave, I completed my posting. Let me explain this to you Vetsak....when my posting is up on the Board you can't stop me....its a done deal. As for your question, if you can't figure that out you are even more stupid than I thought.

Ah so KKK I said Reinach was poor did I?  Fuck me and you have the audacity to throw the word stupid into the equation.
Your age is clearly getting the better of you. ...you make more and more cock ups these days. Maybe you should think about upping your medication?
Now Moffie be a sport and kindly point out to the board where I said that Reinach was poor you pathetic lying prick?
Sounds about as accurate as me making a prediction against the world 15 and Wales.
Low life liar

 Ohh leave the poor fella be, its not his fault he has a short attention span . Bullying is what it is. 

"He was not at his best" .... When you say that about  a player you like, he is having a shocker.  
As for me having bad days it seems to me you, RooiAAs, simple Arthur and Cheezer are the group who have had bad days recently.

Reinach did not have a great outing. The thought crossed my mind that some of the Boks would be having one eye on the upcomong NH tour. I am a Reinach fan and hope he gets a start on tour.If we had any sense the guys Meyer wanted to tour would be pulled out of the Currie Cup competition.Time to work on conditining, skills, moves and tactics etc.
Ou maaaikie Moz was expressing a point of view. He is absolutely correct in saying Reinach has some rough edges. Looking through this thread it is you who start the personal attacks. You so often do and then compalin bitterly if Moz attacks you. Moz made a point that contradicts your views and you go ballistic. THIS IS A FORUM TO DEBATE VIEWS.  NO NEED TO GET SO PERSONALALL THE TIME . I DONT BOTHER TO POINT THIS OUT TO SNASPTER AS HE IS TOO FAR GONE! BWAHHAHAHAHAHA

 Beeno
First of all - I did not make a personal attack on Mozart - I dealt with him as to his attitude to player - he remorselessly attacks players he does not like and keep silent about players he likes - unless they have exceptional perofrmances.  When they flop - the silence is deadly.
Reinach was not the only player returning from the squad.   If Mozart wanted to do an assessment of players returning from the Springbok squad and an objective one at that - one could ghhave noted some objectivity in his case ir at least some objectivity in his case.   If one looks at the game on Saturday the Sharks were in the first half surprisingly under pressure from the WP forwards and the quality of balls Reinach got were not all that good.    It is hard for any scrummie to play an exceptional or good game under such circumstances.    However, he did knock on one ball - Mozart tries to make it it was three balls - which was not acceptable - but for the rest was solid.   
Lets do look at players that was released from the Springbok squad and their performances this weekend for their clubs and franchises:-
Habana  
He played for Toulon  in a losing game against Toulouse.   Toulouse won 21-10
Habana1/052/6/74424023/00/000/0
Statistically he had an excellent game - scoring one of Toulon's two tries.   Plus for him.
Bakkies Botha
Was statisticaklly an unmittigated disaster for Toulon as is evident from his stats:-
Botha0/000/1/4100105/12/031/0
 He was in fact a major reason for the Toulon loss giving away three penalties and collectin a yllow card.   The main negative in the loss by Toulon.
Pollard
Started quietly for the Bulls when he came from the ebnch and had to magical moments - one when he scored a try himself and the other when hewas iumental in the scoring of a try by Ndungane.   Brillian stuff
De Jager and Mohoje
Showed very little in a side that was overwhelmed by the Lions.   I would say Mohoje was less eeffective than De Jager - who was mpore solid in the Tight stuff - while Mohoje was largely "absent" from the game.  
Morne Steyn
As to b expected - Morne Steyn was left out from the team of Stade Francais who beat Racing Metro through mostly penalties given away by V an der Merwe - who tried to emulate Bakkies Botha - 2 penalties and a yellow card.   
On the list of performances of players from the squad objectively the situatoion was as follows:-
1   Pollard2   Habana3   Reinach4   De Jager5   Mohoje6   Bakkies Botha
So why did  Mozart concntrate on Reinach and not look at he others as well?   
     

 If Moz wants to comment on one player rather than on every play he is free to do so. He made some comments you should simply have refuted then. You think you are innocent but you stir and then complain. You could do better I think. 
Leave the bad mouthing to snapster as he can't help himself. Disagree all you wish but getting personal like this so often is not good.

No Dave I am just making a correction for your bias....like a golfer facing a strong left to right wind. Actually I'd say wind just about covers it. Reinach was pretty poor...it was obvious to the unbiased.

 

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October 13, 2014, 14:56:31

Moffie you stupid [removed], because you conclude that a player that is not at his best is having a shocker does not mean the rest of us think like your ignorant self.

 

Reinach had anything but a shocker, he was solid

 

Wake up you moron 

That makes as much sense as putting your money on the team that you are not predicting to win.....

Look Dutchie I don't expect you to understand......English is not your first language......so stick to being the prick you are......but on another thread you fucking waste of space  

 I think that I sometimes have a better understanding of English than you. For instance, I know exactly what is meant by: "I will put my money on..........................".