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Rge team I guess will play in the third test

Started by clevermike13 REPLIES694 VIEWS· 17 Jun 2018, 09:40
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jun 2018, 09:40
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17 Jun 2018, 09:40#1

I think there will be changes - but those would be to ensure that the team remains competitive:-


15  Le Roux, 14  Mapimpi. 13  Kriel, 12  Esterhuizen,  11 Nkosi, 10  Pollard. 9  De Klerk, 8  Vermeulen, 7  Du Preez, 6 Kolisi,  5  Mostert,  4  Du Toit, 3  Malherbe, 2 Mbonambi, 1  Mtawarira

 

16  Van der Merwe, 17  Kitshoff. 18  Louw , 19  Snyman, 20 Notshe, 21 Papier, 22 De Allende, 23  Gelant 


 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Jun 2018, 09:51
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17 Jun 2018, 09:51#2

Mike there will be changes. Suspect Kitshoff and Du Toit will start with Akkers as front row. Esterhuizen and Kriel plus Mapimpi and Gelant.. Van Zyl also.

All depends how much Rassie wants a win versus the need to test out his other squad members. Given the series is won and the Rugby Championship is more important he may experiment quite a lot. Really don"t know.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Jun 2018, 10:17
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17 Jun 2018, 10:17#3

What I would do Beenz.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Jun 2018, 10:19
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17 Jun 2018, 10:19#4

Or to keep the starters more or less the same, but offload the bench early in the second half would probably be better. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Jun 2018, 11:38
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17 Jun 2018, 11:38#5

Draad, England have their best chance at Newlands. could be a shower or two and conditions will suit them.   We will be missing powerhouses Eben and Marx and perhaps will not field the best pack from the current squad.

Jones and team could be desperate. We could lose this test? see who Rassi e selects


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jun 2018, 11:50
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17 Jun 2018, 11:50#6

My guess is he will play the four foreign club players - three of them will play virtually no rugby before the RC starts -  Vermeulen will probably join one of the franchises for the rest of Super Rugby in July.

I think the problem at center has not been solved entirely and I guess Esterhuizen would start on Saturday - with Kriel or De Allende starting at 13.   .   However, I think Kriel will start with De Allende on the bench.  

There are other problems where the situation will change drastically by the time the RC comes around - inclusive of Marx, Etzebeth and even Schickerling coming back into the picture.  Mbonambi was better than he used to be and I think he will end up on the Bok bench. 

Snyman started like a house on fire in Johannesburg - but was invisible yesterday.   However, he was a stand-in lock at best anyway.   I can see Etzebeth and Schickerling getting some playing time in the remainder  of Super Rugby and guess that the RC lock combination would be Etzebeth, Schickerling and Du Toit. That means there is not much chance of Snyman and Mostert surviving after this series.       

I also think Whiteley and Du Preez will be in the RC squad as loosies.

Malherbe did not have much game time on Saturday - so he is likely to be given another chance on Saturday,   Coenie is out for the year and the other two contenders are Du Toit and Louw.

I agree with Draad about bringing on the replacements earlier than normal on Saturday.    

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
17 Jun 2018, 11:54
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17 Jun 2018, 11:54#7

Eating humble pie re Vermeulen now that he's been MOM? 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jun 2018, 12:39
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17 Jun 2018, 12:39#8

Denny

What I wrote about Vermeulen was based on his performances for Toulon - where he aws holidaying for two years.  He seemed to renew his interest in playing rugby again and did very well in both tests.   Must have done some real hard training recently to get back into shape. / 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Jun 2018, 16:20
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17 Jun 2018, 16:20#9
No need to mess with The Team where it's functioning well. Subs can always be brought on earlier to give them exposure. We don't need to see a Bok team losing now. We scraped the first test, were more convincing yesterday...we need to blow these Poms away in the third to build on that momentum. This is a new team and needs to play together as much as possible. But where there are uncertainties, a bit of experimenting makes sense. 1 Dyantyi looks too vulnerable defensively...but then so does Mapimpi in Super rugby. I'd stick with Dyantyi. He has been clever ball in hand, never dying with the ball and his defensive issues are judgement based, his tackling is decent. 2 Am would be replaced by Kriel.....no learning there....and Esterhozen/Kriel was already tried against Wales. So give Am another run. 3 A good step forward would be to try Am outside his provincial partner...Esterhosen.....not perfect but we have to try something. 4 Give the second front row a shot....we need to see them against the Pom first team. But bring Wilco back on the bench. Malherbe showed us nothing. That said I'm still not confident about Thomas.....he got folded once yesterday and the Poms haven't scrummed well. 5 I would certainly keep Snyman, but give Stephanie a shot at 5. He is no 4 and he is no 7. If he is going to play regularly for the Boks he has to finally prove it at 5. 6 Vermeulen and unfortunately Kolisi have to be retained...and the much hyped twin has been a flop. But there seems to be little choice but to start him again, Mostert should be given a break. Which all comes down to this team: Willie, Nkosi, Am, Esterhozen, Dyantyi, Pollard, Faf... Kitshoff, Akker, Thomas, Snyman, Stephanie, Kolisi, du Preez, Vermeulen. In theory that should be the most physical pack we have fielded in the series. On the bench I'd have Mostert, Wilco, the Beast, Bongi, Notshe, van Zyl, Allende and just for laughs Gelant.
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XaviPro1,924 posts
17 Jun 2018, 17:46
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17 Jun 2018, 17:46#10

@ Moz.

I would start Gelant and rest Willy just to see how he gets on and give him some gametime going into the RC.

We know what we have in Willy.

I like the idea of Esterhuizen and Am and would rotate Du Preez in for Duh Allende. 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jun 2018, 17:58
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17 Jun 2018, 17:58#11

Good suggestions for a change - lets see how it works out

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sharkbokCaptain23,255 posts
17 Jun 2018, 20:49
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17 Jun 2018, 20:49#12

My team would be-  

1. Beast/ Kitshoff    

2. Bongi / Van der Merwe

3. Thomas Tank / Louw- 

4. Snyman

5. Mostert

6. Kolisi

7. Stephanie / Donkey twin

8. Vermeulen /Notche

9.  Faff- / Anyone but Ivan (except Hougaard)

10. Pollard/ Jantjies

12 Esterhuizen/ Delande

13 Dyanti / Jessy Kriel /AM

14 Nkosi - 

11 Mapimpi 

15 Leroux

Dyanti could be worth a shot closer to the action. 

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
18 Jun 2018, 01:21
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18 Jun 2018, 01:21#13

Get the backs on double duty learning & understanding how drift defence works.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jun 2018, 09:33
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18 Jun 2018, 09:33#14

The backline defense would e as long as we have Am a 13.   Th attack is always on De Allende for poor defense - yet in the two tests this year he made 17 tackles missing only one.   A Greenwood said  elsewhere the defensive problem starts with Am,   Playing a different player at 12 would not make a difference in the defense by Am.     

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