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Robert Dupreez Senior terminated with immediate effect

Started by sharkbok26 REPLIES848 VIEWS· 17 Jul 2019, 13:34
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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,250 posts
17 Jul 2019, 13:34
#1
17 Jul 2019, 13:34#1

He had one year left on his contract, but the Sharks board have just announced he is no longer part of the Sharks.


It is a pity as he was a decent rugby player, but like many in SA - he just does not seem to be able to coach.


It seems junior is already at Sale Sharks, while the donkey twins want to leave despite initially saying they would play in the Curry Cup. They are clearly not part of Rassie's plans, as he needs loose forwards that can contribute at the breakdown.



CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2019, 13:49
#2
17 Jul 2019, 13:49#2

Teichmann after three years as CEO of the Sharks also decided to leave  and will be replaced by Eduard Coetzee Who was the COO at the Sharks - where he was involved for 6 years in the administration.   

Teichmann will remain as a part time advisor o the Sharks.

Pity about Du Preez failing as a coach.   He was an improvement on Gold - but the impression was he did the unforgiveable - he was too interested in his three sons being in the team - at times at the expense of other players,   And even though the Sharks were in the play-offs this year - there performances were in the main iffy.

I am afraid the Sharks will struggle to find a decent coach in SA and will have to look at someone from outside of SA,        

 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2019, 13:49
#3
17 Jul 2019, 13:49#3

Teichmann after three years as CEO of the Sharks also decided to leave  and will be replaced by Eduard Coetzee Who was the COO at the Sharks - where he was involved for 6 years in the administration.   

Teichmann will remain as a part time advisor o the Sharks.

Pity about Du Preez failing as a coach.   He was an improvement on Gold - but the impression was he did the unforgiveable - he was too interested in his three sons being in the team - at times at the expense of other players,   And even though the Sharks were in the play-offs this year - there performances were in the main iffy.

I am afraid the Sharks will struggle to find a decent coach in SA and will have to look at someone from outside of SA,        

 

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
17 Jul 2019, 14:05
#4
17 Jul 2019, 14:05#4

It's just been announced that Peter "Snor" De Villiers will be the new Sharks coach.

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Jul 2019, 14:10
#5
17 Jul 2019, 14:10#5

Last I heard he was in line for the Kings job. 

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Jul 2019, 14:10
#6
17 Jul 2019, 14:10#6

Last I heard he was in line for the Kings job. 

XA
XaviPro1,924 posts
17 Jul 2019, 15:25
#7
17 Jul 2019, 15:25#7

It was also confirmed this morning that Philip vd Walt had signed with Newcastle Falcons.

Sharks entire starting back row gone as well as Botha.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Jul 2019, 18:43
#8
17 Jul 2019, 18:43#8
Jake white totally vindicated. This is what happens when the inmates run the asylum.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Jul 2019, 18:48
#9
17 Jul 2019, 18:48#9
I see the bog ordinary, massively over hyped Deysel twins are gone as well.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Jul 2019, 19:06
#10
17 Jul 2019, 19:06#10

Yep firing Jake was a massive blunder. Lardy John never supported his former coach. 


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2019, 20:20
#11
17 Jul 2019, 20:20#11

Firing Jake was the result of the same problem Du Preez developed.   

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Jul 2019, 21:25
#12
17 Jul 2019, 21:25#12

Jake was fired because of player power. Getting up in the morning was too mean, maybe if Jake offered to fetch their Powerpuff Girl slippers they'd have been happier with the program. Contrast this with the Brumbies who did what they were told. They have been benefiting from his work for many a year. South Africa is drunk on loser think. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Jul 2019, 21:44
#13
17 Jul 2019, 21:44#13

Jake is a very good coach but he has some serious issues...and those issues has been following him around since forever...if there is smoke there is fire and Jake has been up in smoke since becore he coached the Boks.

Jake is loyal to Jake and Jake alone....always been a bit of a pr!ck...and like Snorre he had the cream of the crops. 

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Jul 2019, 21:50
#14
17 Jul 2019, 21:50#14

Jake built the Boks. Peter inherited a team, tried to break it apart unsuccessfully and ended leaning heavily on what Jake put together, but never could get the most out of it. The lack of growth in the team left us in quite a mess by 2012. I don't have a problem with Jake's approach. If you keep your head down and do your job, you won't have a problem. He rewards success. His approach is much closer to the highly successful model of the New England Patriot's genius coach Bill Belichick. The problem is Saffers like to be cuddled and hear smooth words that are pleasant to the ear. 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,250 posts
17 Jul 2019, 21:56
#15
17 Jul 2019, 21:56#15
Jake White with a good backline coach could be successful. He had Alister Coetzee as his attack coach, but brought on Eddie Jones for the world cup in 2007. 
The Brumbies improved under his tutelage. He even taught them how to do rolling mauls, improved their kicking game and defence. Larkham had an influence on the attacking movements.
Jake White is a bit like John Mitchell - when the pressure is on they become tyrants. The can capitulate in the media and start blaming everyone including the bus driver. 




AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Jul 2019, 22:01
#16
17 Jul 2019, 22:01#16

Jake was already using Brumbies plays from the late 90s early 00s era. As Os said, it just added confidence knowing that the coach who scripted many of those plays was a part of the team. Jake is a highly astute technical coach. At the Sharks he didn't have the level of attacking players that he had at the Brumbies. Frans was his best 10, 12, 13 and 15. In the end, it bit the team in the backside. Jake's Boks scored one try less than the All Blacks were able to score against the Boks during his four year stint. 23-24. I doubt we'll see that again. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Jul 2019, 22:23
#17
17 Jul 2019, 22:23#17

Jake had a special group of talent...he was good enough to recognize and to cultivate it, but he got lucky. Heineke Meyer probably contributed more to Jake White's success than his own...as did Dick Muir and Plum....South African Rugby was at it's strongest between 2006 and 2011...we dominated Super Rugby in that era...Jake and Snorre fed off that. Even Alistair won a few matches  back then.

Jake is solid, but no genius...and his people skills suck.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Jul 2019, 22:39
#18
17 Jul 2019, 22:39#18

Draad stop being a jackass ala your avatar! hahahahahahahahahaha

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Jul 2019, 22:57
#19
17 Jul 2019, 22:57#19

Meyer did great work turning that Bulls team around, and no doubt that benefited rugby in South Africa, but before that Bulls team really began to fire - we saw the very early days of that success begin to take root only in 2005 - Jake was taking the Boks in an entirely new direction. He evolved the Boks throughout his tenure. There was certainly no luck involved, no more luck than what accompanies any other successful coach - that being elements out of one's control. 

Dick Muir did very little, he relied on Campese at the Sharks in 2007, Jake's last year. Muir built a reputation off backline expertise on the back of Campese's work, and then froze him out of the team before departing for the Boks where his lack of expertise was exposed. Plum wasn't coaching in South Africa during the White era, and took a powerful Shark's side, which was the best attacking side in the competition and turned them into dour shuffle-ball merchants until he was axed. 

At domestic level, we had to wait until the 2006 CC for the unearthing of exciting new talent. It's arguably the last great Currie Cup. That was when our domestic rugby became more competitive. Again, long after Jake established himself at test level. Most people forget that Jake's Boks in 2004 were a high-powered attacking side. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Jul 2019, 23:35
#20
17 Jul 2019, 23:35#20
We exited in the QF of the 2003 WC....outplayed and humiliated. Nine months later with a group of players who were all available to Destroyli in 2003.....Jake won the Trinations. From there he built the team, giving the Bok jersey to a very limited number of new players. And they were mostly successful because he never went down dead ends like Goosen, Allende and Jantjies. He knew test potential. So b/s Draad. Jake has improved performance instantly everywhere he went. He wasn't lucky, he was competent. And Augie is right the players just couldn't take the discipline....they preferred to be happy losers.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jul 2019, 00:45
#21
18 Jul 2019, 00:45#21

The players could not take the different treatment of his favourite players and the way he treated others,  The story about the issue of discipline was a story White told the Cocaine sniffer amd all the stooges lapped it up.  

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jul 2019, 00:45
#22
18 Jul 2019, 00:45#22

The players could not take the different treatment of his favourite players and the way he treated others,  The story about the issue of discipline was a story White told the Cocaine sniffer amd all the stooges lapped it up.  

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
18 Jul 2019, 01:47
#23
18 Jul 2019, 01:47#23

I saw an interview with John Smit before the Welsh EOYT in 2004. I may still have that on tape. He said that Jake's program was over and above what they were used to under Straeuli. He specifically mentioned that the Boks had previously only planned some basic set phases, that the level attention to detail and specificity of training was well beyond that. The proof is in the results. The Boks were immediately better right out of the gate and all the way through the TNs. A couple of minutes is all what stood between them whitewashing both Australia and New Zealand. 

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
18 Jul 2019, 09:00
#24
18 Jul 2019, 09:00#24

The same Jake yet everyone has a different take and years later never the twain shall meet. As for my own, Jake cut his cloth to the material in hand which makes him a smart man.......probably heard Eastwood say "Man's gotta know his limitations" but further evidence that he had the smarts is when he roped in Eddie to run the backline after realizing Coetzee was useless.

Fact is he was smart enough to pull the right rein. The Boks in the pool stage scored more tries than any other Bok side at a WC, but then from the quarterfinal stage onwards he resorted to a more clinical game.......evidence of more smarts. I still remember his words, "You lose you go home".....so his clinical approach however boring was mistake-free screw-down rugby. Note, in the final he opted for Wikus van Heerden as opposed to the more talented and adventurous Bob Skinstad.

Jake was far smarter than many here would realise.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
18 Jul 2019, 10:07
#25
18 Jul 2019, 10:07#25
Discipline? What discipline?
Oh you mean the "discipline" we all saw when Matfield and Jean decided to go against the coach's orders?
That discipline?
Meyer was on par with Snorre. He was a weak leader. He had no control over his players. They did as they pleased. We all saw that when we were thumped by the Japanese.

You can place him on a pedestal all you like. The truth is out there for all to see.

We are still trying to recover from his term at the helm.

 


DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Jul 2019, 15:22
#26
18 Jul 2019, 15:22#26

I'm not saying Jake is a bad coach...or incompetent..I am saying he got lucky...you need a bit of luck to win the big tournaments...and the SA super rugby sides performed way better back then...That helped too.

 



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