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Round 12 = likely Results

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 May 2014, 14:39
#1
01 May 2014, 14:39#1

The Blues - Reds Game


Th Blues has had an up and down Super 15 thus far - while the Reds was anything, but consistent.   A surprise outcome is possible - but I think after the poor performance of the Reds last week and a noticeable improvement of the Blues in home matches, I think the Blues should take this game by a relatively small margin.


The Rebels - Sharks game


The Sharks have had a poor series from a try-scoring perspective.  From the start the problem was the disruption of their backlines by the clueless play of their number 12.  Due to injuries and selection factors, the player who thus far  buggered up their backline performances has now been moved to 10.   So for all intends and purposes their backline will be totally disfunctional.  The worst performance by any SA side this year in Super 15 was the loss of the Sharks last week against the Highlanders.


The Rebels on the other hand had also had an up and down series - but they have been very competitive in some games and beat some very strong opponents and came close against others.   They have a props problem and their scrum is not strong enough - but they have excellent locks and loosies.   


Now how is that going to balance out in this case.   My heart says the Sharks should narrowly beat them my around 6 points, but logic indicates otherwise.  With a disfunctional backline against a well-performing one and the Rebels having good players at lock and loosie - I think chances are 60-40 the Rebels will win.


The Crusaders - Brumbies Game


A close call - the Brumbies is the form side of the Tournament and wiped the floor with the Chiefs only a week ago.   The Crusaders have shown signs of improvement in recent matches against weaker sides - but will that improvement continue?


I think not -  I think that the Brumbies will win convincingly against a team with some serious deficiencies shown this season.


The Chiefs - Lions Game


This should be a walk in the park for the Chiefs and I predict a win by them by in excess of 20 points.  


The Waratahs - Hurricanes Game


The Waratahs most recent game was disgracefully poor - while the Hurricanes are on the crest of a wave.   However, I am vary of the outcome of this game since the Hurricanes was poor in away games - losing even against the Stormers,   Despite the Waratahs performance of last week - I have a feeling that they are going to win this time around and I predict a Waratahs win by a small margin.


The Stormers - Highlanders Game


One of the biggest surprises of the series thus far was the ease with which the Highlanders beat the clueless Sharks last week,  The gross under-performance by some senior players and the all round lack of ball skills and putrid defense added to the problems of the Sharks.


The Stormers on the other hand was poor against the Cheetahs - due mainly to putrid play by two of their players - Grant and De Jongh, the latter being a serious liability in defense and clueless in attack. Grant is gone - but clueless remained.  The problem is that the Highlanders have strong centers - who will just run over clueless.


However, despite that I have a feeling that the Stormers are going to win this one by a small margin. provided they cut De Jongh out of attacking moves - he will just bugger it up like he did last week.             



The Bulls - Cheetahs Game


The Cheetahs played a top game last week and they have the ammunition to beat the Bulls wider out.  They will also be competitive up front.  The Bulls had a miserable tour  marked by very poor performances.   Matfield added to their woes in the latter regard.


The Bulls is trying to improve their stuttering backline performances by bringing in Pollard and Small-Smith - which may indeed be an improvement, but if the Cheetahs without their key players De Jager and Labuscagne can repeat their performance of last week - they should win this game with relative ease.  



  

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3ku1Pro2,580 posts
01 May 2014, 15:34
#2
01 May 2014, 15:34#2
 Agree with everyone except Saders, expect Saders to win by at least 12 pnts.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 May 2014, 18:14
#3
01 May 2014, 18:14#3
Clever.... you use every format to attack Frans, de Jongh, Matfield and Alberts. I've read about the  manic depressive....but you are clearly a manic obsessive. I think I'm going to ask Dr Ikey about your case.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 May 2014, 19:00
#4
01 May 2014, 19:00#4
Mozart
This is about reality and based on facts.  It is not a question about individual players - but the game is obviously influenced by individuals.    
The lack of try scoring by the Sharks are factual and one has to look at reasons.  Tries win matches and that is absent from the Sharks repertoire - so why is that?   Look at all the matches played and the reasons are very clear.   So their chances of scoring tries are remote and  thus their winning chances are reduced.  
I cannot find anywhere above where I mentioned Alberts' name once.  De Jongh is another case.  The Stormers had a reasonable chance of beating the Cheetahs - but on 4 occassions where there were clear overlaps outside of him De Jongh did a steppie to the inside and destroyed the attack - he cannot read games and his passing game is near to non-existent. 
Since Matfield came on Board playing for the Bulls their driving mauls (one of their main scoring mechanisms)  evaporated or are easily contained by the opposing teams and their scrumming became less effective.  Fact - so why hide it?   
Those are realities and in evidence in players during this season - so those facts can determine game outcomes.     
It is not an obsession - it is realities that govern my thinking a nd it hurts me to see SA rugby be done in by individual incompetence.  


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 May 2014, 13:29
#5
02 May 2014, 13:29#5
 Up to the top with this one.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 May 2014, 13:29
#6
02 May 2014, 13:29#6
 Up to the top with this one.  
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
02 May 2014, 14:14
#7
02 May 2014, 14:14#7
 
Faggot has a point, Mike.

You truly are a sad, sad little man ...

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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
02 May 2014, 16:36
#8
02 May 2014, 16:36#8
Mike, go look at my prediction..Sharks by 6..What was the margin?We were robbed to. Should have been a penalty try and Rebels should not have got a try. Signs of that cheating Kiwi fuck Paul Honiss as well as the ball not leaving Hegarty's hand on the tap!
We should be looking at around 30 odd points to 9 here! 
Frans Steyn's passing was absolutely horrible tonight. Fucken pathetic and we wont beat the Brumbies with this passing. Not just Steyn though..All of them. SA teams make passing look so hard. Some of those breaks the Sharks had especially right after half time, would have seen a team like the Hurricanes score 3 or 4 tries in that passage. We are just so far off the pace when it comes to skill and passing.
Its depressing me and hard to watch! SA teams have the power to be by a long way the best in the world but we are too far behind the Kiwi's and Aussies in passing skill!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 May 2014, 17:05
#9
02 May 2014, 17:05#9
 boklogic
My prediction on Superbru was also a win by 6 points for the Sharks - same as you.
My problem is that the  Sharks was predictable and the only center showing real spark was Jordaan - but he was replaced early - probably injured.  For the rest the backline was near to dead and the defense was also not what it should have been.   Too many players beaten by Woodward and Hegarty to be comfortable with when they counter-attacked from mindless kicks .
The only real try actually credited to the Sharks was the result of a handling error of the Rebels - not really constructive attacking play by the backline.   Not very promising for the games to come.  I agree that Mvovo would likely have scored if it was not for Hegarty hitting the ball over the dead ball line - but the backline ball handling of the Sharks is really not up to standard and it could easily have happened that the ball would not have been touched down.  A 50-50 call by the ref - which to my mind should have gone in favour of the Sharks. 
Despite the win there are two many questionable issues in the team and that makes me believe that the present team is unlikely to win any further tour matches.
        
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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
02 May 2014, 17:18
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02 May 2014, 17:18#10
 100%. My thoughts exactly. This tour aint getting any easier than tonight so if this is the best we got, we are in for kak my bru.Its our passing. That is our only problem right now. There was a period shortly after the half where Sharks were dominant and we had a few good try scoring opportunities go begging due to shit execution of passes. No 1 player..All of them are guilty. We have such shit passing skills in SA and thats why we are not winning overseas like we should. Even the Bulls. They could have won 4 from 4 but they botch their final passes too often when it counts! Kiwi teams make passing look so easy. We make it look like its the hardest thing in the world. 
I was actually cringing tonight when the Sharks started putting it through the hands..I think its safer for them just to kick sometimes ;-)
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PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
03 May 2014, 03:24
#11
03 May 2014, 03:24#11
 The Hurricanes will win against the Waratahs, the tahs have to many issues. Izzy disappears in the bigger games. Beale is a little whiny babe who cant organize a piss up in a brewery. The Coach has been kicked out of SR for being a f##king idiot. The Hurricanes have it all over the Waratahs. Just need to smash the shit out of their forwards and the backs will do the rest.
The Crusaders have been poor but you forget were halfway through Super Rugby they always start to clean up. Look at the forward muscle power, with Slade getting himself into shape and form this will give the Brumbies a hard night. They haven't been tested by a good kicking game with Dagg and Slade. Crusaders to crush em.
Chiefs will win an unconvincing game. They will still be out of shape but scrape through.
The Highlanders will destroy the Stormers. Far to much talent and determination in this team to go down now. The Stormers are at the bottom of the table, they are there for a reason. B Smith and A Smith are creating something awesome. With A Smith whipping the forwards into line, directing and keeping the team going at full pace their damn hard to stop.
bulls-cheetahs .....E ither way wont really matter.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 May 2014, 18:08
#12
04 May 2014, 18:08#12
"Up to the top with this one" ....says the the enthusiastic OOM. Okay, gl ad to oblige. Just a pity he got only 4 out of 7 right. What a ponce!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 May 2014, 18:49
#13
04 May 2014, 18:49#13
Mozart
You cannot count now do you - please go back to what i wrote and you would find that I said the following teams would win:=
The Blues. The Waratahs, the Chiefs, the Sharks and the Stormers. 
Here is the Superbru pick I made:-
Rebels19%16Sharks81%22Pick:SHA (6)WPMPResultsI could not be nearer the mark if I wish to -even gt a merit point for being 100% correct.
That is five out of 7 - not 4.  Cannot count to 10 yet - so what a fart.   

 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 May 2014, 19:49
#14
04 May 2014, 19:49#14

 What a bare faced liar...you got the Saders match wrong....you got the Bulls match wrong....it's right up there for all to see. Then you gave the Rebels a 60% chance of beating the Sharks....so you picked the Rebels. By contrast you give the Stormers only a qualified chance of beating the Highlanders....but because you are leaning in that direction I give you the Stormers.

 

So even with the most generous approach you get three wrong. Use a dart board next time....you silly man.

 

 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 May 2014, 21:20
#15
04 May 2014, 21:20#15
 Mozart
I quoted my Suprbru prediction above - you blubbering old fool.  You cannot count neither can you read.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 May 2014, 01:11
#16
05 May 2014, 01:11#16
 "Now how is that going to balance out in this case.   My heart says the Sharks should narrowly beat them my around 6 points, but logic indicates otherwise.  With a disfunctional backline against a well-performing one and the Rebels having good players at lock and loosie - I think chances are 60-40 the Rebels will win."
Your superbru prediction is of no interest ...the prediction above is what you posted under" likely results" 

A pathetic 3 out of 7... Back to the top with this one.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 May 2014, 05:35
#17
05 May 2014, 05:35#17
 Mozart
You are a bloody fool and you still cannot read.   Why the hell should anyone believe a word you write on this site?   In any event you are too bloody cowardly to make any prediction on anything - a coward and useless Bullshitter.   
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 May 2014, 06:24
#18
05 May 2014, 06:24#18
Well let's see if I can read:
" I.......think.....chances.....are......60-40......the Rebels......will.....win"
Yes, I think, it's pretty clear, you are picking the Rebels to win. That leaves you with 3 wrong out of only 7. 

See it wasn't so hard, now crawl back in your hole dimwit. You have made a total fool of yourself and then to make things worse, lied through your teeth. A total slime.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 May 2014, 07:35
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05 May 2014, 07:35#19
 Mozart
You are a bloody fool.  I did say that I think the Rebels should win - but stuck with my loyalty to the Sharks and the six points I mentioned in the above quotation and did that where I actually have to predict score winning and margins of winning.  I quoted that above to proof that you are a clueless old idiot.  
What I do know is that you are really too big a coward to make a prediction and the mere fact that you are again getting hot around the collar is the fact that I said that Steyn disrupts the Sharks backline with his clueless play - and he did do that against the Rebels as well - was enough to make you see red.
Now let me get back and out it clearly - FAT STEYN is not an acceptable flyhalf - and he will never be one.   He is to slow in speed because he is still clearly over-weight, as well as reading of the game an decision making to make him an acceptable flyhalf and his defense at flyhalf is shit poor - on par with that of Jantjies and Morne Steyn.   If he plays at flyhalf against the Brumbies on Saturday he would be a disaster.                  
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 May 2014, 08:01
#20
05 May 2014, 08:01#20
Squirm, dodge, lie old fool....you are condemned by your own words, posted right on this  string. I'm not even sure I should give you credit for the Stormers win...you said you would pick the Stormers provided de Jongh was cut out of all attacking moves.....so let's do that and we lose the De Allende try and the Stormers lose.
Based on the totality of your prediction you are really 3 correct out of 7.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 May 2014, 08:24
#21
05 May 2014, 08:24#21
 Mozart
I should not respond to your lies and BS any further.  Why the hell don't you make any predictions ever - because you are a bloody coward and pretend to be wise after the fact.   And your assessment on Steyn's performance was a weird set of weird lies and misrepresentations - so that should close the issue conclusively.         
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 May 2014, 08:33
#22
05 May 2014, 08:33#22
Last time I looked there is no requirement on this site to predict away. Still many guys do....quietly. You are the only prat who goes the whole hog and starts a string called "Likely results". And unfortunately you are just not very good....hence the fact that you got three out of 7 wrong and created a contingency for a fourth result which never happened.....thus really getting 4 wrong out of 7. Embarrassing.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 May 2014, 09:17
#23
05 May 2014, 09:17#23
 There is a site where predictions as to outcomes are made  called Superbru and there are around 47 000 members of that site who makes predictions on game outcomes.   Most of the regular posters are also posting result outcomes on that site - so there is ample opportunities for people to actually make predictions. 
Of the picks made - the following in fact happened:-
Blues - Reds game :  I predicted a Blues win - so did 90% of the membersRebels-Sharks game :  I predicted a Sharks win by 6 points - 81% of the members predicted a Sharks win   Crusaders - Brumbies game : I predicted a Brumbies win - 64% of the members went the other wayChiefs - Lions Game :  I predicted a Chiefs win - so did 96% of the membersWaratahs - Hurricanes Game :  I predicted a Waratahs win by 9 points - 50% of the members predicted a Waratahs win  Stormers - Highlanders game :    I predicted a Stormers win - only 34% of the members made thant prediction.Bulls - Cheetahs Game :  I predicted a Cheetahs win - 78% of the members went the other way.
In what I wrote about the games _ I was actually giving arguments in favour of why I predicted a win.  The Brumbies win was based on the performance of the Brumbies against the Chiefs.  In the game of the Cheetahs I looked at the game of the previous week between the Cheetahs and the Stormers - as well as the poor show of the Bulls against the Force.  In the case of the Stormers I thought back to last year when the Brumbies beat the Sharks with ease - partky because of poor play by Steyn - but they were beaten the next week by the Stormers.  However, in this case the poor defense of particularly De Jongh nearly caused the result t go the other way.
Steyn and De Jongh - they are series liabilities when you make predictions.  In the case of the Bulls game I should have thought about the difference Pollard would make to the team performance and also home town advantage - but the game was really touch and go - a 4 point difference is not all that convincing.    
Be it as it may - I am in the top 80% of the members making correct predictions on Superbru and went up 4%  this week so despite your BS I am pretty happy with my predictions over the series.        


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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
05 May 2014, 09:30
#24
05 May 2014, 09:30#24
Ha ha no Mikey we can not let u get away with this one. You can not bet both ways then say I told u so. You said the Rebels had 60% chance of beating the Sharks due to Steyn at 10. I then pointed out to u that my bet of Sharks by 6 was on the button! You then said you had the same bet on Superbru. Fact remains, we don't all see Superbru. We all see these threads and we saw your long reasons about why the Sharks will not beat the Rebels.
Just face it Mike. On this occasion, you can not back track. I mean, you gave us reasons. Not just a score. Ask yourself this. At the death when the Rebels had the Sharks in the ropes until that massive play from Daniel. If the Rebels had crossed there for a 7 pointer and stolen the game, would you have mentioned super bru or would you have gone something like this:
"I told you so. Sharks will not win a game with Steyn and Alberts...blah blah blah...."
Next week I take the Sharks by 4 points but reckon the Brumbies have 70% chance of winning. Ha ha 
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poi-ePro1,044 posts
05 May 2014, 09:55
#25
05 May 2014, 09:55#25
Clear bet hedging going on here, bet one way on the thread, bet the other way on superbru, dishonest, what a surprise
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 May 2014, 10:04
#26
05 May 2014, 10:04#26
 boklogic
Why would I take a forecast of a Sharks win by 6 points on Superbu and make remarks like I did in this case?  Obviously because I want to get under the skin of the Steyn and Alberts crowd on this site.     
Steyn was a flop against the Rebels - whether others like it or not.   He was clueless and the Sharks nearly lost - partly because he was clueless. 
I am going to predict a Shark loss by 12 points in the Brumbies game - sad to say - and I am going to keep my comments on performances until after the game.  Watch me then!!!!
By the way - how did you like my prediction that the Waratahs will beat the Hurricanes by 9 points?      


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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
05 May 2014, 14:24
#27
05 May 2014, 14:24#27
 Ha ha no no Mikey, you wanted the cover so you could say I told you so if the Sharks did lose and hush up about Superbru..
ps..Dont be too sure on that Brumbies result. They tore apart a disjointed Chiefs team then got brought back down to earth by the Saders. Sharks defence is better than both those teams and I think, if the boys click slightly, we can beat the Brumbies. Our defence can frustrate them..Just like the Saders defence did and they dont seem to have much of a plan B if im honest. Look, Brumbies should win but will they?
I am gona go Sharks in a nail biter..Between 6-10 points!
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