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Started by Mozart17 REPLIES1,326 VIEWS· 18 Aug 2019, 05:14
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Aug 2019, 05:14
#1
18 Aug 2019, 05:14#1
Koning rates the South African players! 15 Warrick Gelant: Not many opportunities in a stop-start first half, but a well-timed pass in Sibusiso Nkosi try. Had a kick charged down early in the second half and his clearance kicks were poor. 5/10 14 Sibusiso Nkosi: Had limited opportunities, but showed his finishing ability when he bust through a couple of defenders to score the first try of the match. He topped that with beating several defenders on his way to the second try. 8/10 13 Jesse Kriel: Had his moments, including a couple of decent runs. Was not flawless and missed two tackles, but also won a crucial turnover. 6/10 12 André Esterhuizen: Big and powerful and used his size to good effect. Made some valuable metres. 6/10 11 Dillyn Leyds: Limited opportunities in the first half, but a better workrate after the break. Will remain a fringe player. 5/10 10 Elton Jantjies: Showed his skill, with a superb flat pass in Sibusiso Nkosi’s first try. Some great out-of-hand kicking and fielding of high kicks. Landed crucial penalties for the win. 7/10 9 Cobus Reinach: Did his reputation more harm than good – especially with his two-step intercept pass for the Guido Petti try and the crucial penalty he conceded that resulted in Pablo Matera try. 3/10 8 Marcell Coetzee: Was good value for his short stint on the field, which included a turnover and a couple of tackles. Left the field with concussion in 17th minute. 6/10 7 Rynhardt Elstadt: His biggest contribution was on defence – making 16 tackles. Add to that a handful of carries and you find he was very productive. 7/10 6 Siyamthanda Kolisi: Satisfactory return to Test rugby – a few decent carries and made all his tackles 6/10 5 Lodewyk de Jager: Not his best game in Green and Gold, but still one of the most productive players – 12 tackles, five carries and plenty of ruck cleans. 6/10 4 Rudolph Snyman: Produced his usual skilful performance, with some decent carries and great offloads. Also had a line-out steal. But his work on defence was lacking. 6/10 3 Vincent Koch: Made plenty of carries, although with very few metres. Made 10 tackles and three turnovers for a very productive day. 7/10 2 Schalk Brits (captain): Showed his full array of skills, especially at line-out time. Made the second-most tackles in the Boks team – 13. 7/10 1 Thomas du Toit: A few strong carries, but under pressure in the scrums. His work on defence was disappointing. 5/10 Replacements: 16 Siyabonga Ntubeni (on for Brits, 71st minute): Not enough time to be rated. 17 Lizo Gqoboka (on for Du Toit, 47th minute): Brought stability to a rickety Springbok scrum and made all his tackles. 6/10 18 Wilco Louw (on for Koch, 78th min): Not enough time to be limited. 19 Marvin Orie (on for De Jager, 68th minute): Not enough time to be rated. 20 Marco van Staden (on for Kolisi, 53rd minute): Made the most of his time with three carries, six tackles and one crucial turnover. 6/10 21 Albertus Smith (on for Coetzee, 17th minute): His workrate and boundless energy, could not make up for the high number of missed tackles. 5/10 22 Francois de Klerk (on for Reinach, 70th minute): Not enough time to be rated. 23 Frans Steyn (n for Esterhuizen, 55th minute): Made all his tackles and produced a couple of decent offloads. 6/10
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2019, 09:17
#2
18 Aug 2019, 09:17#2

BS as per normal.  each of Fatso and Esterhuizen and 2 tackles and missed 1   And slow Esterhuizen's valuable meters produced zilch.  Slow Esterhuizen run like a prop - as slow as possible straight into the forwards averaging about 3 meter oer carry,  

4 and 5 each get 6 - but read what was written - huge difference.  Five made the line-out turnover - not 4.  4 made four tackles and missed 4 ;

The real ratings are as follows based on actual performance are as follows:-

15   Gelant                   -    4

14   Nkosi                    -    8

13   Kriel                     -    5,5

12   Esterhuizen          -     4,5

11   Lleyds                  -     5,5

10   Jantjies                 -     4,5

  9   Reinach                -     5

  8   Coetzee                -     6

  7   Elstadt                  -     7

  6   Smith                    -     5

  5   De Jager                -     7

  4   Snyman                 -     4

  3   Koch                     -     5,5

  2   Brits                      -     7

  1   Du Toit                 -      3,5

17   Gqoboka               -      5

20   Van Staden           -     5,5

22   Frans Steyn           -     3                     .  

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
18 Aug 2019, 09:34
#3
18 Aug 2019, 09:34#3

Damian this year: 15 runs for 32m.

Andre yesterday: 6 runs for 31m.

But somehow Andre is the slow one whose meters produce nothing.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2019, 09:49
#4
18 Aug 2019, 09:49#4

Exactly Pakie 

But it is not only carries that count - it is what carries produces.  Aside from that defense is curiously absent from what both Esterhuizen and Steyn produced.   

Lets go through the latter aspect:

De Allende      -     Tackles made    12    -    Missing  1

Esterhuizen     -      Tackles made    10   -    Missing   2

Steyn               -      Tackles made     7    -    Missing  3 

Esterhuizen is bad compared to De Allende - Steyn a disaster,    

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2019, 09:50
#5
18 Aug 2019, 09:50#5

Duplicate

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
18 Aug 2019, 10:29
#6
18 Aug 2019, 10:29#6
“Posted by: clevermike (37126 posts) Aug 18, 2019, 09:17 BS as per normal....” Exactly. Mozart was spewing his normal unadulterated bullshit again, as usual. Oh wait. Didn’t he say it was the ratings by someone called Koning, or did I misread that?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2019, 10:41
#7
18 Aug 2019, 10:41#7

I saw the ratings and thought they were not in line with what actually happened and decided not to post it.   Mozart should have realized the same yet he posted it.     .

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XaviPro1,924 posts
18 Aug 2019, 11:07
#8
18 Aug 2019, 11:07#8
I saw the ratings and thought they were not in line with what actually happened my biases and decided not to post it.
FIXED 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2019, 12:28
#9
18 Aug 2019, 12:28#9

Xavi

Sorry - but read what the motivation was in respect of the following for the granting of the various point allocations  starting with the following:-

Esterhuizen 

Big and powerful and used his size to good effect. Made some valuable metres. 6/10   

The outcome is not the valuable meters - half of which was for two carries from the back - where he ran slowly towards the forwards and was stopped in his tracks  - resulting in a very slow recovery of the ball.   Quiet about defense though - he made 2 tackles an missed one  - very poor defense,in anybody's book.

Steyn

Made all his tackles and produced a couple of decent offloads. 6/10 

He did not make all his tackles - he made 2 and missed one.  He did not make a single off-load at all, However, two charge down kicks and a questionable  tackle on the Argentine try scorer (Matera) did not cover him in glory.   By all accounts bad day at the office.

Snyman

Produced his usual skilful performance, with some decent carries and great offloads. Also had a line-out steal. But his work on defence was lacking. 6/10"

Lets put this into perspective.   Snyman made 6 carries for a meter gain of 5 meters - he never passed a ball - but made one off-load.  He made 4 tackles and missed 4 - losing ball possession once.  The commentator credited the line-out steal to De Jager not Snyman - so why credit him with that,

He got a 6 - the same allocation as De Jager made 15 tackles missing 1.   He lost ball possession twice.  De Jager was in fact given credit for his role in the  first try of Nkosi and also for the line-out steal.  He passed the ball 4 times and carried it 5 times for a meter gin of 12 meters.

Just compare the above and see whether the contributions both warrant the same points,   The answer is inevitably NO.     

Gloriication fo players should not play a role in point allocation and here De Koning went overboard in case where the allocation should have been negative,   

   

  


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CeradynePro9,374 posts
18 Aug 2019, 13:14
#10
18 Aug 2019, 13:14#10

“ Posted by: clevermike (37129 posts)

Aug 18, 2019, 10:41

I saw the ratings and thought they were not in line with what actually happened and decided not to post it.   Mozart should have realized the same yet he posted it. waited until I have decided to debunk Koning’s ratings and replaced it with my own and then he should have fully agreed with my ratings    . “

Fixed  

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2019, 15:25
#11
18 Aug 2019, 15:25#11

Dimwit can you read English?    I gave my reasons and corrected the BS clearly for stating that the ratings of De Koning was flawed,   That is why I differed from him and ultimately give what I believe is the realistic ratings.       

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Aug 2019, 17:45
#12
18 Aug 2019, 17:45#12
Gosh that worked out well for you Muck !
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2019, 18:13
#13
18 Aug 2019, 18:13#13

Thanks Mozart - the truth always prevail in the end. .LM AO 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Aug 2019, 20:13
#14
18 Aug 2019, 20:13#14
Woosh!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2019, 22:43
#15
18 Aug 2019, 22:43#15

HE SURRENDERED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!lmao  

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Aug 2019, 00:19
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19 Aug 2019, 00:19#16


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Aug 2019, 00:57
#17
19 Aug 2019, 00:57#17

I love the comparison between tackle numbers. That's not how you evaluate defence. One "successful" Damian tackle does not equal an Esterhuizen tackle. They are not even remotely comparable. Andre is a vastly superior defender, one who can reliably take any key weapon of any nation in world rugby out of the game. Damian cannot boast such a thing. At the very most, Damian can just about hold firm, firm enough that the opposition do not breach our line. These tackles are most commonly supported by another more reliable tackler. 

In short, Damian has produced nothing to justify him going to the World Cup. He will be our starting 12 though, which is very disappointing. When Rassie turns to our 12 in big games, he will receive another 7-9% of team possession and cul-de-sac for more static phase play. Can it take us to a final?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Aug 2019, 06:23
#18
19 Aug 2019, 06:23#18

Poor idiot - Esterhuizen is more likely to be stepped than he is to make a tackle.  This Andre Esterhuizen BS is just boring and  we have seen an average   SR player not capable of taking up the step to Test Rugby,   '

And then we Fransie who landed on his ass when trying to tackle Matera - something that De Allende did to him twice in one match,  

One thing that is evident - when AO supports anybody - whether coach of players - accept that he is wrong and go for the exact opposite to what he says and you will be right,           

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