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Rugby 365 says Mostert is perfect for Bok flank

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Mar 2018, 23:38
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05 Mar 2018, 23:38#1
SUPER RUGBY ANALYSES: FRANCOIS JOHN MOSTERT WAS A 'NO-NAME' BRAND, UNWANTED YOUNG LOCK WHEN HE JOINED THE LIONS IN 2013. NOW, FIVE YEARS LATER, HE IS ONE OF THE MOST TALKED-ABOUT SECOND ROW FORWARDS IN SOUTH AFRICA. The latest evolution in the remarkable career of the 27-year-old started this past weekend - when he played on the flank for the Lions in a convincing win over the Bulls, a team that regarded him as surplus to requirements. To suggest he is a 'workhorse' would be an understatement. Apart from the fact that he has played every single minute of Super Rugby the Lions were involved in this year, he has clocked some impressive statistics. In his 240 minutes, he made 30 tackles, with a 91 percent tackle success rate. Even more important is his discipline - just five penalties, with no red or yellow cards. However, it was his performance on the side of the Lions' scrum - in the 49-35 win over the Bulls at Loftus Versfeld this past weekend - that had pundits talking about Mostert being a Springbok blindside flank option. The question is: Does he have what it takes to be a genuine international blindside flank? 1. The blindside flank is often amongst the tallest members of the squad - a loose forward that can comfortably also play in the second row. Mostert ticks that box! 2. The modern blindside flank also should have the ability to function as a No.8. Mostert has not been tried at the back of the scrum yet. 3. The blindside flank is tall and strong, but also be one of the fittest players on the field - as he must play a key role in both attack and defence. Mostert ticks that box. 4. The classic blindside also has a 'huge engine' - a workhorse that makes tackles all over the field, attempting to win turnovers and gaining hard yards when in possession of the ball. While as tall as a lock, he will be slightly slimmer than his second row counterparts - a lean athletic build with long rangy legs - because of the high workrate he is required to do. Another tick in the Mostert box. 5. The blindside must still be well built, as he will have to use his strength to tackle and ruck with any member of the opposition. Also a positive for Mostert. Verdict: Select him now. He will be a perfect fit for the Boks!
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,256 posts
05 Mar 2018, 23:46
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05 Mar 2018, 23:46#2

I was the first to identify Mostert as an international number 7. 

He is more mobile and athletic than Steph Dutoit.  His contribution at the ruck is significant. Playing Steph at 5, with Mostert at 7 is a more obvious choice. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Mar 2018, 23:48
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05 Mar 2018, 23:48#3
I was with the author until he said select him now.....how about a little more proof that this really is our best option? After all there are chaps like Wiese out there who have already convinced some of the shrewdest minds on this Board...haha. The fact is 'body types' isn't the only way to assess potential internationals. Handsome is as handsome does. But after a few more games it may very well be possible to support his candidacy. A more honest player would be hard to name.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Mar 2018, 00:10
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06 Mar 2018, 00:10#4

I cannot see how Mostert can be selected based on the game on Saturday when he was statistically not all that  good..   He needs to improve in some respects and show whether he really  qualify for selection.

Mozart is probably right in that regard - be patient  and see what happens performance-wise.         

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,256 posts
06 Mar 2018, 02:43
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06 Mar 2018, 02:43#5
I never cast his future in stone but was the first to question why Stephanie was playing as a loose forward when Mostert was at lock. He is more in the mould of Juan Smith before his bionic leg. Effective at the back of a lineout- and can have a very high work rate at the breakdown. 
Mostert looks much quicker of the mark than the lumbering we saw against England when Ben Care played the fool with him.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Mar 2018, 07:59
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06 Mar 2018, 07:59#6

Maybe the truth has hit home that Mostert at 105 kgs is too light to be a lock and a move to 7 may be to the advantage of his playing career.   However, he will face strong opposition at 7 as well and t o state that he will be a shoo-in is a joke at best.    

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
06 Mar 2018, 08:28
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06 Mar 2018, 08:28#7
Oh no! Another utility forward. Could this be the beginning of the end of his career? I am not saying he is not a capable seven, and it is a position which has become a revolving door in Bok rugby so there is a spot up for grabs , but it is very early days to make such a pronouncement. Also, I am a firm believer in the balance brought by 7 being a big bruiser and 6 being a fetcher. Mostert is not a big bruiser.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Mar 2018, 08:46
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06 Mar 2018, 08:46#8
BB
I do not believe that 7 should be a bruiser unless the player has sufficient pace and ball sense and skills to compete on the ground and in linking play involving both forwards and backs,   That is why  a player  like Juan Smith was a success and Alberts a serious failure.
I would rather prefer a player like Wiese at 7,   He is only 20 years old - but he is a 116 kgs player - a real bruiser with the abilities mentioned by me as to ball skills and sense player.   His hero is in fact Juan Smith and he is trying to emulate him.   Smith had one major deficiency - he too frequently missed catches and knocked on balls - from what I have seen of Wiese he is already better in that regard.   That is also where he beats the Du Preez twins - he is also speedier than them.
Watch out for that youngster - a real mean machine.  
BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
06 Mar 2018, 08:59
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06 Mar 2018, 08:59#9
Juan Smith is a great player to try and emulate. I agree Wiese is the perfect prototype, but he too is just arriving. Lets give him some time to establish himself before we get too excited. There is a tendency on this site to over inflate a player that has just burst onto the scene based on one or two performances. I think what very often happens is these players bring something new and stand out in the beginning, but then their opponents figure them out and reel them in. The really special ones stay ahead of the hunting pack. With Wiese I remain hopeful but realistic. 
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
06 Mar 2018, 09:16
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06 Mar 2018, 09:16#10

Cois must be laughing into his sleeve.

He only used Mostert at lock because he had to.

As soon as the loosie issues are sorted out he'll return to lock.

In the mean time we'll have articles like this pop up.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Mar 2018, 09:35
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06 Mar 2018, 09:35#11

BB

I believe sustained performance is the only criteria for selection and Wiese has a lot to prove in that regard.   So you are 100% correct in this case.
  

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
06 Mar 2018, 10:23
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06 Mar 2018, 10:23#12
By the look of things, I would say that it would probably not be perfect to cast him as a player in the Juan Smith mould. What about the possibility that a player in the mould of Danie Rossouw could have been found? I have, for a long time, had the thought that we have been missing a Danie Rossouw type of player. A player who has had a brilliant career despite starting very few games. I cannot understand why we still have people who believe that a modern rugby team consist of a clear starting lineup (first choice players) and a clear replacement bench (second choice players). They see the bench as players who are not good enough to start the game. They fail to see that the modern game consist of a team of 23 players who are all good enough to start the game or come of the bench, depending on what the circumstances dictate. Danie Rossouw was one of the most important players we had in his time as a Bok. I’m sure his name was almost always the first one to be put down despite the almost certainty that he would not start the game. The question is not wether Mostert has to be a lock or a blindside and start the game. The question should be wether he should be in the 23 man team, yes or no? My guess is yes. Just as an after thought....... Many would say that Danie Rossouw hardly ever started a game but nobody would notice that Bakkies hardly ever finished a game. What’s the difference?
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
06 Mar 2018, 10:30
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06 Mar 2018, 10:30#13
Cera,  you are 100% right. And Danie Rossouw must be one of the most underrated rugby players ever. One of the guys that did all the hard work and got very little of the glory. He made THAT tackle in the 2007 world cup final! Yet barely gets a mention today. His trophy cabinet consists of some pretty impressive silverware. 
Also, you are right about the 23 man team. All 23 are part of one rugby plan.  
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Mar 2018, 11:34
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06 Mar 2018, 11:34#14

First as always lets get the facts right. Mostert is NOT 105 Kg. Wikileaks has him at 112 and ESP scrum 11.8 kg. Please don't confuse him with the very pap Victor Matfiled. Mostert gets stuck n. No leaning on the sides of rucks pretending to play or moonlighting in the backline etc.

Mostert's huge work rate and big heart means he must be taken seriously as a possible number 7. As with all the Lions forward he has good skills and plays 80 minutes. Excellent lineout option at the back. Great defender and nice and mobile.  I am not though convinced he is a better athlete than Du Toit. 

Mostert was played on the flank to bulk up the Lions forwards. When playing a strong pack the lions will most likely play Mostert on the flank if they have any sense..

I thought Teuns Stofberg was about the perfect number of   years ago. 

I posted the article re Mostert shining. Ou maaaike of course had no idea Mostert had shone. Bwahahahahhahahaahahahahaha

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Mar 2018, 11:57
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06 Mar 2018, 11:57#15

Beeno you are dumber, dumber and dumbest all in one.   The fact is that Mostert was not a high work rate player on Saturday.   He was in fact a medium to low impact player.   That was clearly a case of total misrepresentation of facts as is normal with you.    

You are indeed a shining example of rugby disknowledge so what else is new?   Wake up to reality dumbo - and do a proper investigation before you make sweeping statements.   There are ample sources you can consult before writing factual contributions before you write your usual crap.  

I would be careful in this case - even Mozart has doubts about the performance of Mostert - so what will he say about your constant stupidity?

By the way Beeno remember the claim was at the tie that Matfield weighed 112 kgs and te fact was he weighed 105 kgs.   Mostert always weighed 105/106 kgs and now suddenly he weighs 112 kgs.   Another Matfield blinder at work here?      

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
06 Mar 2018, 12:03
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06 Mar 2018, 12:03#16

@ Beeno

What happens when Kwagga and Kriel are both fit? They both should start where ever possible, right? What then of Mostert.

Whitely, Kwagga and Kriel as loosies. Mostert always starts at lock and Orie and the Porra fight for the other sport.

I dont think the Lions will play Kwagga in midfield despite our expert advice haha.

There are no issues there. Its Dreyer i'm concerned about. And Jacobie Adrianse.

If they sort out the Dreyer issue and Combrink also returns then that team will be on fire again.

Mostert has earned his starting spot for the Boks by being the most solid lock performer in SR for two years running. Didn't he have the best lineout stats last year...while also having a higher tackle count than any other lock and as well as most loosies ?

Far as i'm concerned Eben and co need to battle it out for the other spot.

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
06 Mar 2018, 12:09
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06 Mar 2018, 12:09#17

The bench is supposed to be used as a weapon ... not to hide unwanted quotas on. We haven't had a decent bench in at least a decade.

Imagine no Bongi's or Trevors ... no Beasts or Dreyers ... no Paige's or Oupas ... no tokens of any sort.   

Imagine fielding our very best ... with a bench of class acts waiting impatiently to prove to the coach that they should actually be starting. Can any of you even remember when last we had something like that?

Danie Roussow was a superb rugby player. I would get so pissed off when Bakkies was brought straight back into the starting 15 after an injury. He was never forced to work for his jersey. What I'd give to have a Danie today.   

Rassie has told all and sundry that he'll be selecting his match 23 on race. I'm afraid we'll never see our best 23 players in a test match again. At best we'll be fielding a team at 50 - 60% strong with a bench coming in around 30%.

Once again the uninvited ... the unwanted ... gatecrash our party, and spoil it for all.



CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Mar 2018, 12:24
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06 Mar 2018, 12:24#18

CC

I am with you in this case - but Beeno will obviously try and find some screen to protect Rassie.   He will not last a year if the teams he select is not a winning team and Rassie can duck and dive as much as he likes - if the team fails he will be fired for non-performance sooner than the two years it took Coetzee to be fired,.   .

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Mar 2018, 12:45
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06 Mar 2018, 12:45#19

Ou maaaaike my stand on merit selections has been consistent from the very beginning.  No need to lie ou maaaaike! Dense denise is calling this twit Dumb Mike. Has ou dense denise struck gold for once. Bwahahahahahahahahha. Dumb Mike the Village idiot. 

Dumb Mike I named my sources re Mostert's weight. Where are yours.  I can honestly say  have never seen him given as below 108kg. 

I am certain Rassie would love to select on merit alone. He decided he would give it a go rather than st on the sidelines. Its up to the South African Rugby public to take up the fight. To bla me the coach for quotas shows how daft some oaks are!

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Mar 2018, 12:48
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06 Mar 2018, 12:48#20

Plum playing a loose tro of Kwagga, Kriel and Whitely and a relatively light lock like Mostert 110 kgs or so means the Lions will get bullied by a really powerful pack.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Mar 2018, 13:11
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06 Mar 2018, 13:11#21

Hey stooge - why did you not deal with your airy-fairy comments on the performance of Mostert .when brought to your attention - broccoli befudged brain deficient one?   

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Mar 2018, 13:11
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06 Mar 2018, 13:11#22

Hey stooge - why did you not deal with your airy-fairy comments on the performance of Mostert .when brought to your attention - broccoli befudged brain deficient one?   

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Mar 2018, 13:11
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06 Mar 2018, 13:11#23

Hey stooge - why did you not deal with your airy-fairy comments on the performance of Mostert .when brought to your attention - broccoli befudged brain deficient one?   

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Mar 2018, 13:11
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06 Mar 2018, 13:11#24

Hey stooge - why did you not deal with your airy-fairy comments on the performance of Mostert .when brought to your attention - broccoli befudged brain deficient one?   

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
06 Mar 2018, 13:47
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06 Mar 2018, 13:47#25
Rassie signed on the dotted line ... and in doing so accepted that his teams will be selected on racist principles. He said he doesn't have an issue with it ... and so should naturally be held accountable for the losses that come with non merited selections.

Same goes for his back line quota coach. If this welfare case can't get it right then Rassie should take the rap for it. Obviously!! It's not this incompetent fools fault that he doesn't know anything about coaching. It's Rassie's fault for "selecting" him.

We are most certainly not going to blame others for Rassie's short comings. 

Rassie should not have accepted their racist terms.  

The Boks must be ranked number 1 in the world after winning next year's WC. Nothing else will do.
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
06 Mar 2018, 14:10
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06 Mar 2018, 14:10#26

@ Beeno

I disagree. Have you ever seen Kwagga or Kriel bullied in a one on one?

I havent.

I have seen Eben, PSDT and Lomp all being tackled backwards and have the ball stolen from them on multiple occasions. They all have worse defensive records than Kriel and Kwagga too. Co-incidence?

At that size the extra 10Kgs is 90% fat mate. It's not a 10% boost in muscle/power. That extra weight does slow you down a lot though.

Also remember that the Lions game plan is around pace. Fast recycling and catching oppo out of position.


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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
06 Mar 2018, 14:42
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06 Mar 2018, 14:42#27

Yeah ... what he said.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Mar 2018, 16:11
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06 Mar 2018, 16:11#28
Haven't seen Kwagga, Kriel and Whiteley together at international level. Against an English or NZ pack they would struggle mightily. Nobody else is succeeding with that kind of combination at test level. England for example has Itoje at blindside....very much in the Mostert mould.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
06 Mar 2018, 18:56
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06 Mar 2018, 18:56#29

For the Boks we have a good few options depending on how Rassie is gonna wanna play. How does one exclude Kriel and Kwagga from the squad though? Both are incredible players who you'd want on the field for as long as possible instead of using them off the bench in an impact role.

I have a feeling he's gonna go balls to the wall Lions and try build on that. That is if one reads into the Whitely contract. 

At this point it's about the only option if he's thinking synergy come the WC. 

Problem is that ACs nutcase selections and game plan left him nothing to work with aside from maybe some of the guys knowing each other a bit better. 

If the Lions season goes anything similar to the last two then we'll probably see around seven of them starting against England. Eight if you count Faf :)

Maybe 

Start: Kitshoff, Louw, Marx, Eben, Mostert, Kriel, Whitely, DDP

Bench: Duane, PSDT, Beast, JVRooyen, Akker/Bismark, Kwagga (centre/loosie).

That seems a reasonably balanced pack with enough pace and grunt. No?

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Mar 2018, 02:43
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07 Mar 2018, 02:43#30

plum

I am not sure of your pack - all I think will happen to my mind is that either Kriel of Smith will be the number 6 (opensider)  flank.   I think that the 7 position is wide open, but what is likely is that Rassie will go for De Jager at lock and Du  Toit at 7.

But it is early days and a number of players can still make the grade.   It all depends on performance of players during the present season. ,    

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