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Rugby: Alarms going off regarding overseas-based Springbok:By Dylan Cleaver

Started by Just_win7 REPLIES199 VIEWS· 18 Feb 2014, 20:07
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Feb 2014, 20:07
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18 Feb 2014, 20:07#1

For those who don't believe allowing overseas-based players to be eligible for the All Blacks would be disastrous, take heed of what is happening in South Africa.

The Boks have an open policy on selection and are happy to pick men who are not contracted to South African sides. Given how well they played last year, it looks a progressive and reasonable policy.

But it might be that by the end of 2014 this strategy unravels for them.

Early days, of course, but the Bulls opened their Super Rugby campaign looking a shadow of their once formidable selves. Turnover of personnel is inevitable in this business, but look at how many currently overseas-based former Bulls players are or will be in the Springbok fame: Zane Kirchner (Leinster), Gurthro Steenkamp (Toulouse), Bakkies Botha (Toulon), Morne Steyn (Stade Francais) and Fourie du Preez (Suntory) all toured as Boks last year. There are a handful of other key South Africans also based offshore: this includes Jaque Fourie (Kobe Steelers), JP Pietersen (Panasonic) Francois Louw (Bath), Ruan Pienaar (Ulster) and Bryan Habana (Toulon).

In the Springbok match-day 23 that played France in November last year, there were nine overseas-based players: there were 11 in the 30-man squad. There are three issues with this set-up. The first is whether the individuals based offshore are being appropriately conditioned to play test match football in the Southern Hemisphere.

Graham Henry, in his role as technical director of Argentina, noted last year that the Pumas were hugely disadvantaged by the fact most of their squad play club rugby in Europe. To come out of that and then immediately have to play Four Nations rugby which is fast and furious, is an almost impossible task.

The second concern lies in logistics and fatigue. Last year some Springboks had to fly back to Europe in the rest weekends of the Four Nations to play for their clubs. They can get away with it in the short term but the ultimate impact will be early burnout and reduced performance. There will also be the problems of integration with the South African-based players and the reduction of training time given the inevitable late arrivals of those coming from Europe.

The final negative is the impact so many departures will have on the quality of South Africa's Super Rugby teams.

Most years, South Africa can be guaranteed to have two heavyweight sides, a competitive third and a tricky enough fourth team.

But in 2014, the Sharks may be the only serious contender; the Bulls and Stormers good without being overly threatening and the Lions and Cheetahs basement-dwellers. The worry is that the exodus might have diluted the strength of the overall playing base - a strong, competitive domestic scene is imperative for continued success on the international stage.

NZ Herald

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Feb 2014, 20:11
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18 Feb 2014, 20:11#2
Doesn't sound good guys, looks like another up-hill battle for SA rugby.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
18 Feb 2014, 20:35
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18 Feb 2014, 20:35#3
Yes, only the very best foreign players should be chosen.
Players that should not be considered are:
Zane Kirchner (Leinster), Gurthro Steenkamp (Toulouse), Bakkies Botha (Toulon), Morne Steyn (Stade Francais)

Players that should be considered-(3 highlighted in bold are playing in the Southern Hemisphere schedule anyway. Fourie du Preez (Suntory), Jaque Fourie (Kobe Steelers), JP Pietersen (Panasonic) - is playing SuperXVFrancois Louw (Bath), - needs to get his form back, although we are short of fetchers.Ruan Pienaar (Ulster) - at this point with the world cup so close we have limited options at 9. With Hougaard still not back on form, not many others have been tried. Schreuder? No. Bryan Habana (Toulon)- best wing in the world, hopefully he does not get over played and lose form before the Worldcup
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
18 Feb 2014, 21:38
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18 Feb 2014, 21:38#4
 interesting article, just win. They were news short time ago that the SARU was evaluating to put a limit to the number of overseas players that can play in the springbok team.
Another big problem is the accumulation of matches. The top14, for example, schedules 26 matches, if you add the Heineken cup the result is an excess even if they use to rotate players
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Feb 2014, 21:42
#5
18 Feb 2014, 21:42#5
Yes, I think something has to be done. Of course the players are also responsible for their decisions so if they over commit as a result of contracts (too many games) they will get injuries, have shorter careers & maybe not make the national teams.
It will be interesting to watch how this plays out.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Feb 2014, 22:45
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18 Feb 2014, 22:45#6


This is obviously the result of a wicked selection process based on one very strange phenomenon.  Meyer prefers players he is familiar with - despite their age and despite any coherent idea about performance.  A number of those he coached for the Blls as far back as 2004 is still his favoured players - despite the fact that they are way past their sell-by date.


Fact is most of these players left SA to play rugby for clubs when they were effectively  already on their way down performance wise.   Bur Meyer remembers hem with gratitude and would not accept it that he is with them on the road to nowhere.    


What is amazing is the lauding statements he made about their performances after games - when it us blatantly clear that they under-performed.  Whereas there may be exceptional cases where the Springboks may call on individuals - exceptions have virtually became the rule.  


What should this be called?   I am afraid I have one word for it - BYLLSHIT I N CAPIITAL LETTERS.       

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Feb 2014, 22:45
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18 Feb 2014, 22:45#7


D uplication

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Feb 2014, 23:20
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18 Feb 2014, 23:20#8
The Bulls are not missing any of those hasbeens.......the scoreline in their opening S15 game was very flattering to the Sharks......the game was allot closer than that.

The only overseas player the Bulls are missing is CJ Stander and the injury to Arno Botha has not helped.......for the rest, I would not have one of those overseas based players in the Bulls 23.......just like Matfield should not be in it.

That article is a load of shit........SA has retained all its good young players other than CJ Stander, v/d Heever and Quinn Roux
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