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Rugby: Dagg a high-profile casualty for Crusaders

Started by Just_win16 REPLIES249 VIEWS· 26 Feb 2014, 11:05
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Feb 2014, 11:05
#1
26 Feb 2014, 11:05#1

Israel Dagg is a high-profile casualty after the Crusaders' defeat to the Chiefs in Christchurch.

 

The All Blacks fullback has been dropped to the reserves bench for the match against the Blues at Eden Park on Friday night following the 18-10 loss to the defending champions.

 

Colin Slade, back from a bruised calf, starts at fullback, with Tom Taylor starting at No10 in place of Tyler Bleyendaal who has been dropped altogether. Bleyendaal missed all five of his shots at goal against the Chiefs and was replaced at halftime.

Kieran Read returns at No8 after resting last weekend, with Richie McCaw shaking off a calf problem to start at No7. Second-five Ryan Crotty has also recovered from a calf injury.

 

There is no room in the side for wing Johnny McNicholl, with wider training group player Rob Thompson starting in the No14 jersey.

 

Former Blues player Tim Perry retains his place at loosehead prop ahead of Wyatt Crockett.

 

Blackadder dropped Dagg, a consistently good performer for the All Blacks, last year after a run of mediocre matches but has acted much earlier this season.

 

Crusaders team to play the Blues at Eden Park on Friday, kick-off 7.35pm is: Colin Slade, Rob Thompson, Reynold Lee-Lo, Ryan Crotty, Nafi Tuitavake, Tom Taylor, Andy Ellis, Kieran Read (c), Richie McCaw, George Whitelock, Dominic Bird, Sam Whitelock, Owen Franks, Corey Flynn, Tim Perry. Reserves: Ben Funnell, Wyatt Crockett, Nepo Laulala, Luke Romano, Matt Todd, Willi Heinz, Adam Whitelock, Israel Dagg.

- APNZ

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Feb 2014, 11:06
#2
26 Feb 2014, 11:06#2

Fact is that All Blacks often either start the season late or are rested. It is a long season.

BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
26 Feb 2014, 11:15
#3
26 Feb 2014, 11:15#3

 JW,...What must Hanson be thinking after the Mighty Chiefs kicked the ABs butts last weekend..??...Obviously the Mighty Chiefs are the team of the week after their B team rolled the ABs...There goes that perfect record i guess...

 

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Feb 2014, 12:05
#4
26 Feb 2014, 12:05#4

Record still in tact but Mighty Chiefs are reconfirmed as one of the best coached teams in the comp.

AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
26 Feb 2014, 13:05
#5
26 Feb 2014, 13:05#5
 WTF is Blackladder doing? He lost himself the first and fundamental match against the chiefs and he's going to lose this one too.

The bad selection made last weekend lead to a loss that can cost the conference and the title. Matt Todd and Tom Taylor had to be in the starting XV and have to be. Matt Todd is the best NZ openside in the SR comp (alongside L. Braid), he showed it when he was fielded and it's a must to include him in the starting team. I cannot understand how after watching what he did during the 25 minutes he was on the field Blackladder can bench him. You can make once one mistake but twice in a row?
Last weekend Todd should have played at 7 and McCaw at 6, and so they should this one.

Tom Taylor is by far (now carter is out) the best kicker. He should have started only because of this and by the way for taking responsability out of Bleyendaal who except for the kicking didn't do it so bad. Taylor can play 12 or 15 and I would have played with him at the fullback and Dagg at the wing sending the newcomer Tuitavake ( who has zero experience not only at SR level but also in the ITM cup and didn't show anything special) to the bench.
And now to correct what it was just his selection mistake Blackladder is going to change almost the whole backline introducing more inexperience in the likes of R. Thompson (who has played some ITM games but not super rugby).

Untill the moment i was supporting Blackladder because I liked the style of rugby he was applying (I know that many of the posters here don't like him, eh naru? and probably the style is not due to him but to Canterbury as a whole) but he has begun very badly this campaign which could be his last one.
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
26 Feb 2014, 13:15
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26 Feb 2014, 13:15#6
  @brycy,
the chiefs were very poor last weekend, they didn't kick any butt or roll anybody. What happened was that the saders were even poorer, the poorest I've seen.
Chiefs didn't show anything and didn't do anything to win, the saders dominate the whole match and lost it only by themsheves
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
26 Feb 2014, 13:15
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26 Feb 2014, 13:15#7
 Hey there Black Power ,see your kickin on in the Fantasy Footy mate ! Meanwhile down in the cellar .....maybe JW will be heading down for a visit ! I know Brycy ,JW and I are happy with the Mighty Chiefs start to the season ,the chance to stir crusty fans doesnt come along that often !
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
26 Feb 2014, 13:27
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26 Feb 2014, 13:27#8
 @wardad,
I understand them and you to be very happy with the win, I would be if I were a ciefs fan. But one thing is a win an another one is the game itself. The chiefs game was poor IMO.
There are other factors to be considered like the injuries they had and that it was the first match of the comp, I know... but their game was poor... and a lot more poorer the saders' game
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Feb 2014, 13:31
#9
26 Feb 2014, 13:31#9

Ha ha Wardad, yes my eyes have already adjusted to the cellar mate

 

& the company down here is good, lol

 

Congrats to Abasquefan & Cruz!

AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
26 Feb 2014, 13:44
#10
26 Feb 2014, 13:44#10
 Thanks JW but cruz deserved the congrats more. He's the nº1 for the second week, well done
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
26 Feb 2014, 13:57
#11
26 Feb 2014, 13:57#11
 My kids are still dirty on me about the FF and me forgetting the start of season ,even though they are 200 ahead of me !
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Feb 2014, 14:04
#12
26 Feb 2014, 14:04#12
Slick move on your part Wardad - unintentional I am sure . Lol 
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
26 Feb 2014, 14:44
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26 Feb 2014, 14:44#13
im building up quite a case against blackadder the overrated idiot, with this mounting evidence that he dosent have a clue.

blackadders benched proven test and spXV player israel dagg who also happens to be the incumbent 15 for the All Blacks, and brings in rob 'whosethisguy' thomoson on the wing??? o_O

todd plays off the bench again.

ellis retains his place in the crusaders 15 after possibly playing the worst game of his career, meanwhile classy heinze gets to sit on the sidelines.

romano makes the bench but big bird starts???

blackadder, its not F-ing rocket science,,,

1w crocektt. 2 c flynn, 3 o franks

4 l romano, 5 s whitelock

6 R McCaw, 7 m todd, 8 k read

9 w heinze, 10 t taylor

12 r crotty, 13 r lee-lo

11 n tuitavki, 15 i dagg, 14 a whitellock

16 b funnel, 17 t perry, 18 d bird, 19 g whitelock, 20 a ellis, 21 c slade, 22 j mcnicholl

(i dont if joe moody is fit, but if he is, hes automatically starting in my 15 and crockett bumps perry from the 23 all together)

instead of using his best players, blackadder fields his monty pythons crusaders, against the blues who last year had their way with them at eden park.

crusaders are going to struggle to win another title in 2014, as long as blackadder is thier coach.
food for thought, but pat lam and blackadder started their super rugby coaching careers at the same time.
but lam never inherited a team as classy in both culture and players like blackadder, yet both have produced the exact same results, zero titles.
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
26 Feb 2014, 15:00
#14
26 Feb 2014, 15:00#14
 @sasue,
moody was injured in the ITM cup final and has not recovered yet from the broken leg. he is expected to return around round 8.

You are right, the selection mistakes are more than those I mentioned of Todd and Taylor last weekend. I would play also with Crockett and Romano in the forwards and Heinz instead of Ellis due to his bad game.
but my backline would be:

10. Bleyendaal
11. McNicholl
12. Crotty
13. Lee-lo
14. Dagg
15. Taylor
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
26 Feb 2014, 17:18
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26 Feb 2014, 17:18#15
@basquefan,

cant wit for moody to come back, i have high hopes for him in the future as the possible heir apparent to woodys no1 throne.
couldnt believe the shitty luck he had getting named in the All Blacks EOYT and then suffering that injury, really felt for the dude.

God speed with ur recovery moody, the uchiha clan are wishing u all the best:o)

im a little confused as to how u could justify retaining blyendaal at 10 after his first half debacle last friday??? o_O
i know hes a huge talent and that one game (or half game) should never be used to judge a player, but when the crusaders have flyhalf depth which includes tom taylor and colin slade, IMO its not unfair to bump blyendaal down to thrid in the pecking order.
each to their own though, :o)
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
26 Feb 2014, 18:28
#16
26 Feb 2014, 18:28#16
 @naru,

because IMO he's the most talented one. The way he control the game reminds me that of Carter. The games he played last season in the ITM cup are a good example of it. But he didn't do it only at ITM cup level, when they played and won at Newlands against the Stormers he totally commanded the game. And although he has to improve a little bit his defense, he's very complete: excellent kicking game (and besides last weekend he's not so bad kicking at goal), good vision of the game, good skills in general and one to one,...
As you said that was just one match (or half one). Anybody can have a bad day with the boot, surely even Boshoff will have it.
McNicholl had a very bad game also, both are talented but still young. I would stick with them.

I can see Moody as the next AB loosehead as well. Hope he recover well

BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
26 Feb 2014, 18:33
#17
26 Feb 2014, 18:33#17

 ....Yeah mate sorry about the wind up BP and hope you did'nt lose too much money by not backing the right horse...but how good was the Mighty Chief's defence...not too shabby ...winning without any possession seems to be the Chiefs trademark as well....not the best of games but a perfect result..

 

....but Backladder's days do look numbered....dumping Dagg makes ol Slackbladder look like the sheeps arse as well...forwards don't make the best of coaches after all the knocks to the head an that...Ewen McKenzie has the same problem then theres yr John Mitchell ...dumping Christian Cullen an obvious sign of a brain injury...

 

...anyhoots lets see how these Highlanders go against the Chiefs C team this week...

....Go the Mighty Chiefs

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