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Rugby Heyneke felt 'stripped of his humanity' at Stade Francais

Started by Beeno110 REPLIES750 VIEWS· 18 Nov 2019, 21:41
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Nov 2019, 21:41
#1
18 Nov 2019, 21:41#1

Meyer was robbed of a RWC win by the frot wee matfield handing the wee abs a penalty when he had a brain implosion. Everyone knows he vs a decent man and a sold rugby coach.

Here again we have lazy rebellious plays ala the Sharks and Jake White


Cape Town - Heyneke Meyer quit as Stade Francais coach because his relationship with the players broke down.

According to Afrikaans newspaper Rapport, sources close to the former Springbok coach said he felt "stripped of his humanity" because of the soured relationship with the players.

Meyer quit as Stade coach last week after the Paris-based club lost seven of their opening nine matches to sit bottom of the French Top 14 standings.

Just the week before, Stade's billionaire owner Hans-Peter Wild  gave his full support for Meyer .

In an interview with French sports daily Lequipe, Wild said he did not regret appointing Meyer as head coach last year.

"Heyneke realised he couldn't succeed at Stade Francais. He assured me that, thanked me and said: 'My staff and I are facing a wall. Communication with the players has broken down'.

"Heyneke instructed the players to play a certain game plan against Racing, but the players did not respect it. They did the opposite," Wild said after of 25-9 home loss to Racing 92.

Wild added that the Stade players were not fit for top-level rugby.

Meyer's assistants - ex-France prop Pieter de Villiers, South Africans Dewald Senekal, Ricardo Loubscher and English defence coach John McFarland - have also left the club.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,246 posts
18 Nov 2019, 22:55
#2
18 Nov 2019, 22:55#2

Meyer failed...

He was given the largest budget in history to buy the players he wanted. He built his own team, and chose his own management team. 

Given his experience as a head coach, and as a rugby director he should have the experience to recruit players to be part of his "structure". 

Unlike Jake White who inherited a dud coaching team at the Sharks along with some primadonnas players who felt they could do and say whatever they wanted. This was after Jake made a success at the Brumbies in the same situation. He took a team of failures at the Brumbies into a semi and a final in 2 seasons. 

Meyer had it easy, but he has been exposed as out of his depth. Too stubborn. 

He will not be very employable again after such a failure. And he asked to leave his job, although he was probably about to be pushed...

It was clear the players had no faith in his vision of his structure. 

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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
18 Nov 2019, 23:07
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18 Nov 2019, 23:07#3
He is too stubborn that's true, but French rugby culture is horrible. He could still do a job in England/Wales/Scotland and SA if he still has the heart for it, but I doubt that after the struggle of the Boks and Stade. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Nov 2019, 23:27
#4
18 Nov 2019, 23:27#4

Meyer is by all accounts a gentleman - but he has a problem and that relates to how he sees rugby as a game being played.   His main attitude always was a forwards-orientated game with a kick and chase game played at flyhalf, with a rather half-hearted approach as to backline usage.

It is a type of game plan that is rather foreign to French Rugby players and the fact that he could not communicate with the players in French made it very difficult for him to attain acceptance of the rather foreign game plan he wanted them to use. 

Be it as it may - it was a total breakdown  between the players and the coach that caused the team to  lose interest and  consequently matches,  Beeno  referred to the relationship breakdown of the Sharks team with White - but there are two sides to that story..  White treated the players like school kids - Meyer is more of a gentleman  and I think the breakdown may have more to do with his playing style than anything else,

As a person my sympathy is with Meyer - as a rugby supporter I realize he is not really a coach on either test and club level.   One can only wish him well for the future.        .     

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
19 Nov 2019, 07:57
#5
19 Nov 2019, 07:57#5

Meyer has no idea about anything rugby related.

He is totally clueless of the talent around him ... always has been ... and has no idea how to put a decent game plan together.

He was fortunate to have had a team of superstars at the Bulls ... and he took full advantage of their talent to secure his spot as Bok coach.

We have seen since then, that he is unable to put anything together himself ... no matter how much coin he has at his disposal.

It's taken the Goats a decade to recover from his stupidity.

Simple useless.

At least he has his integrity.



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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Nov 2019, 08:07
#6
19 Nov 2019, 08:07#6

Wee cc stop being such as dumbass just for a moment. Meyer built the Bulls from bottom dwellers to Super Rugby Champs. Get your facts straight!

Nobody can deny frot matfields brain implosion cost Meyer a RWC f inal where they would have beaten Oz. 

Meyer was extremely unfortunate to not be a RWC winning coach.

It is clear the lazy players are a rebellious lot who wouldn't listen to the coach. 

Bulls should rehire Meyer. 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Nov 2019, 09:06
#7
19 Nov 2019, 09:06#7

Beeno

He has no chance of coaching rugby in SA - he made a total mess of the Springboks and could not win anything with what he sees as the game to be played,   His player selection was a mess as well,   If the team included some players from the Lions and not from the hospital wards he emptied, the result may have been different.

In the 2015 WC squad were 8 of the 31 players that should never have been  in the squad and in fact became unplayables.   He also had a scrappy development progrmame like having youngsters to replace the unplayables after the Japan loss in the WC.   They had to play in all the remaining games.   The fact is that there are 31 players in the squad to allow for resting of players in games against low-ranked teams.   Meyer could not use the unplayables - since any further loss would have taken them out of the series,   He used the same players in all games up to the semi and the players were never rested during the season - they were out on their feet by the time the semi took place.  Another result of the problem was a game plan that was so predictable - it could easily be countered. 

If one looks at the real situation you would find that none of the players other than AM played more than 2 games in the Round Robin stage  of the 2019 tournament and at the end of the tournament ended up with 5 games as against the 7 played in 2015.   That made a huge difference in performance in the play-offs.  . 

I hate to say it because there will be screams of fury - but the unplayables included  De Villiers, Matfield, Alberts, Morne Steyn. Kirchner, Oosthuizen and Paige with even Pienaar ending  up in that category after the Japan disaster.   Meyer should have chosen the best performing players for the WC - but he chose players who have not played any rugby for up to 18 months before the WC started.

My problem was always that Meyer's selections was a nightmare based on reputation and not actual performance and younger players were always panic selections to be dropped after playing one or two games.   

As to a game plan - there really was none other than a near to total disregard of backline play.  He was forced into picking Le Roux after a Kirchner injury and then could not drop him afterwards.  The poor Morne performances forced him into selecting Pollard at flyhalf - but Pollard was never  really allowed to settle in as flyhalf.    In the end the two really promising players in the backline went flat as a pancake when it comes to the game plan they were forced into.   Both took three years to recover from that malady - it took Erasmus a lot to get them and other demoralized players to start performing on test level again.

Meyer's game plan went awry after 2008 and I cannot see him replacing coaches in SA at present.   That would make his employment in the SA environment rather iffy and I do not see a future in coaching for him other than perhaps on Varsity Cup level - where his hang-up on reputation players will be cured and he may yet see a way through leading to proper usage of backline players.  

The Maties coaching job is vacant - so maybe he could go there and at the same time learn how top rugby should be played.                         

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
19 Nov 2019, 09:14
#8
19 Nov 2019, 09:14#8

Yeah right.

Funny how Meyer has amounted to nothing since his days at the Bulls.

He lost to the Japanese ... and has been moved from place to place. Nobody wants your super coach. I wonder why? One would think they'd be banging his door down.

The Matfields, Steenkamps, Habanas, Du Preezs, Bothas and van der Westhuizens made him ... not the other way round.

Anyone can claim greatness when you have a star studded team.

The proof is in the pudding. He's has many opportunities to prove his genius ... and well ... we're still waiting.


 


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,246 posts
19 Nov 2019, 13:28
#9
19 Nov 2019, 13:28#9

Maak die Stade Francias almal Bulle

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Nov 2019, 13:54
#10
19 Nov 2019, 13:54#10

wee cc it takes a good coach to start from scratch and build up a team over a numberber of season. The Bulls had become the laughing stock of Super rugby Meyer changed all that.

Get real wee cc. Facts are facts

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Nov 2019, 16:48
#11
19 Nov 2019, 16:48#11

Beeno

Two questions in an interview after the 2015 WC spoke enthusiastically about younger players and listening to him on how to develop the youngsters it was clear that he intended to  apply for a contact extension.

In the end he never applied for the extension of his contract and he resigned.   Why should that be -  after a year of near to total failure - did somebody told him that his application would no be considered?   

Secondly he  was appointed as coach and given a fortune to select players - yet his record at the club this year was atrocious - why is he a good enough coach with that record?   

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