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Rugby needs rucking

Started by Beeno111 REPLIES414 VIEWS· 27 May 2013, 10:59
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 May 2013, 10:59
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27 May 2013, 10:59#1

MARK KEOHANE, in Business Day, writes that allowing rucking would make the game Rugby Union again and not a variation of Rugby League.

If the clever guys who determine rugby’s laws granted me one wish it would be to bring back rucking, with the only proviso that a boot on the head or face would be an immediate red card and a lengthy ban.

Other than that, ruck away.

Ruck at those paws that refuse to let go of a ball in the tackle. Ruck at those paws that always find a way back to the ball in the act of supposedly rolling away and ruck away at those legs, arms and backs of those players who lay all over the ball and make absolutely no attempt to roll away.(WOULD WEE MCAAAAAW BE ALIVE TODAY ONE WONDERS!!!)

Ruck away, in the name of a fairer game, a more attack orientated game and a game more in keeping with rugby union, as it was meant to be played, and not rugby league, as the latter has always been played.

At least in Rugby League if you don’t go anywhere in your six sets with the ball you turn over possession. In rugby union teams take the ball between 15 and 20 phases and go absolutely nowhere.

The breakdown laws are weighted in favour of the attacking team, providing the ball carrier’s body position and placement of the ball is accurate. One player can take the ball in against three defenders or more and one of the defenders will inevitably get penalized for going off his feet or entering from the side.

It only reinforces a defensive line and a lack of commitment to the ruck. Why commit players to the breakdown when it is almost impossible to win the ball? In the glory days when the battle on the ground was still a contest more players had to commit to the breakdown, rucking was allowed to sort out those who deliberately infringe and back line players had space and width to showcase attacking skills.

Referees also refereed and didn’t assume the role of rugby coach in the name of a 20-phase continuity exercise sold to a rugby audience as entertainment.

The maul is lauded in rugby union as a skill, despite obvious obstruction. Seven players are in front of the ball carrier and protect him. The only way through for the defender is the middle and any player coming in from the side is penalized. Again it is not a contest.

Rugby has become one defensive line because the contest has been taken out of the lineout, the breakdown and now the scrum.

I know I am not alone in wanting a contest again. Watch some of the games from the 1970s and 1980s and the attacking skills and individual brilliance made rugby union a spectacle. Players had space and used width as a form of attack and not just as an extension of a defensive line.

It frustrates me to see players get away with everything at the breakdown and for those refereeing coaches to excuse it because they had ‘warned’ the players to keep their hands off the ball or to ‘get back onside’.

The ‘offending’ player has already managed to slow down the recycle of the ball and thereby the pace of the game.

It makes for a bloody boring game of attrition.

Which brings me to the individual genius of Cheetahs back Willie le Roux. There is no other South African player who can unlock defensive systems like him. He has the footwork, the hand speed and the natural know how to commit more than one defender before making a pass.

Le Roux’s offload for the first try against the Kings was as good as any produced in the competition. His reverse box banana kick would have been a try but for the bounce and there were other instances that screamed rugby union player and not rugby league prototype in the guise of rugby union.

Le Roux’s skills are to be applauded and rewarded. He will make mistakes because that’s what happens with players who are constantly trying things on attack.

All the great attacking backline players in the game’s history made mistakes. Nowadays players are rewarded for not making mistakes, which means they try to create very little and rely on physically wearing down the opposition.

Le Roux is an attacking exception in a very defensive world. He is a gem.

I’d pick him to start at fullback for the Springboks and I’d have Gio Aplon on the wing or among the substitutes. (ONLY AS A SUB WHEN LEGS ARE TIRED AND MORE SPACE IS OPENING UP)

Both are in Bok coach Heyneke Meyer’s extended Bok squad. I hope both are still there when he announces his Bok squad proper this Saturday.

Mostly, though, I hope for the day when the maul is outlawed, rucking is again a law and rugby union is not a mirror image of rugby league.

SOME TRUTH IN ALL THIS BUT THE MAUL IS AN ART FORM AS ALL KNOWLEDGEABLE CRTICIS AGREE and must stay as the crowds love it more than any other aspect of rugby.

The old rule of the side going forward having the advantage would also do the trick of getting forwards out of the backline. Dirty play re rucking by nz sides was the death knell of rucking. The going forward rule should be adopted. We do not want to go back to the old days where nz teams would sharpen their studs and ruck a guy trapped on the ground - very cowardlystuff from the nz oaks that was and further tarnished the nz rugby image.

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
27 May 2013, 11:21
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27 May 2013, 11:21#2
I agree regarding the rucking. It has become a matter of, if you are able to hide what you are doing from the ref, then you can get away with murder. It just slows the game down, and is not fair. Something else that is not a major issue yet, but will eventually become one, is players diving looking for penalties. I have only seen it on a few occasions, but I dread the day that rugby becomes like soccer. On the odd occasion players purposefully run straight into an opposition player while "chasing" a kick and then fall into a heap on the ground hoping to get a penalty.....these guys should just be banned.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 May 2013, 13:58
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27 May 2013, 13:58#3

Bluebok the trouble with bring back rucking is that a guy genuinely trapped gets rucked as well. With the abs practice of sharpening their studs it became dangerous and was banned. Far better the  side going forward has the advantage in the mauls etc. This will make for more forwards committing to the breakdown and less to staying in the backline? If I recall correctly it worked.

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polyboyClub Pro601 posts
27 May 2013, 15:49
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27 May 2013, 15:49#4
Beeno your as soft as your forwards. Rucking kept cheating forwards from killing or slowing down the ball, something SA forwards were masters at. Didn't matter though AB's adapted game and still went on their winning way...key word..WINNING.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 May 2013, 15:59
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27 May 2013, 15:59#5

Poly the times they are a changing!! make sure you beat the frogs will ya. 

But as I said Poly if rucking had been allowed what would have happened to poor mcaaaaaw. No have some mercy please.

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generaltitPro3,164 posts
27 May 2013, 20:41
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27 May 2013, 20:41#6

Bullshit...rugby needs more variation this than a simple theme... that's why the heavies fall victims to the slipperly frogs .

I get embarrassed by my Saffa supporters that only have a few points ahead of my Ozzie and Kiwi mates.

Rugby is a simple game played by doff outjies...a lovely game when  slightly more strategies come in...Southern Region will not dominate in 36 years time (if we are still here).

Set rugby standards for a short time. Different strategies will come into play...there is a huge amount of men out there that would love to play a physical and beautiful game like rugby ...what about the USA, Russia and China with all their sporting abilities and especially their manpower and patriotism.

The islanders are the best rugby players in the world...Samoa . Tonga and Fiji is a united union would drain NZ of it's talent. What if the Russians took to rugby...paid them well and started the business and USA we would be stuffed. Do not judge it on it's present scale while it's so minor in their countries. The Olympic 7's will gradually change this...union will come in as a result. Then the rugby world will lose their strongholds...I will be dead then but my grandchildren will see a different world cup. Times will change...because of  money and population power...rugby is a good game that will catch on to the non playing nations.

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
28 May 2013, 08:10
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28 May 2013, 08:10#7

Bring back the boot - having played most of my rugby in 90s rucking was just part of the game. And if you tackled someone and got inthe way not only did you get rucked you also got penalised... but lets just say you only ever did once or twice...

IMO Bring it back !!! I feel that it will not given the extremely soft nature of the laws regarding tackling these days. I am all for the protection of players but not when soft tackles like Ioanes last year v sharks end up in 5 week suspension. Good idea in principle but cant see it happening...

And as for that McCheat.... he'd have more to worry about than an accidental knee by QC or accidental forearm by Greyling..... Imagine big Bruno's size 18? coming down on his cheating back when lying on the ball typically cheating and slowing things down. I will add though a number of small men (aka halfbacks) are already using the boot to get quick ball and often go unpenalised....

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
28 May 2013, 11:29
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28 May 2013, 11:29#8
Could not agree more Reds. I know it seems barbaric to some, but it'll quickly sort out many of the grey areas at ruck time that ref's miss. If you want to wear a tutu and do ballet, then rugby is probably not for you. Rucking within reason is just fine, nothing above the shoulders etc will keep in nice and safe.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 May 2013, 12:17
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28 May 2013, 12:17#9

Okay then but the law should inlcude a sub paragrapg requiring nz forwards to have their studs reviewed just before they run on at begining of game and at half time. And of course any subs will need similar checking. Leave no hoop holes for the kiwis please.

Stil think the side going forward has the advantage rule should be tried first.

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
28 May 2013, 13:53
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28 May 2013, 13:53#10

 

What's a hoop hole??

 

Just curious!!!

 

 

 

 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
28 May 2013, 14:05
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28 May 2013, 14:05#11

CleanCut, I don't know this for a fact but Im guessing that if you get pwned as often as Baboon-ou gets pwned - and if you live in Cape Town for long enough - your hole becomes the size of a hoop?

 

Like I say, that's just a guess on my part.

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
28 May 2013, 14:29
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28 May 2013, 14:29#12

Haaaaaaahahahahaaaaaaaa!!!!

 

That clarifies a lot ... !!!

 

It explains his constant stutter.

 

Seems he’s developed a bit of a tick over the years.

 

I wonder ... are you saying that he too may be a cock smoker??

 

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

 

 

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