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Rugby this weekend - what should Meyer note

Started by clevermike10 REPLIES143 VIEWS· 19 Oct 2013, 12:55
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Oct 2013, 12:55
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19 Oct 2013, 12:55#1

I think Meyer in contemplating the squad should take note of the performances of the SA players he may wish to utilize in his squad as reflected by the games this weekend and wish to start a thread on that one:-

 

Saracens - Toulouse Game

 

The only game this weekend that has a pertinent impact this weekend is the Toulouse - Saracens game.   In this game there were three squad members on the Toulouse bench who were brought on during the second half - as well as Schalk Ferreia - who was in the staring line-up.

 

Ferreira had an excellent game in both scrumming and other facets of the game - but he obviously is not on the Meyer shortlist.  The following are being noted about the three players in the squad of Meyer at one time or another:-

 

Chilliboi  Rallepele

 

Was at best average in performance with a few ball carries and tackles - nothing really to write home about.

 

Gurthro Steenkamp

 

Before he came on the Toulouse scrum was dominating.   After he came on the scrumming became messy and he was also penalized for illegal scrumming.  This penalty was in range and converted.

 

Steenkamp really produced nothing at all for the rest  -  but after Toulouse took a one point lead - he gifted Saracens another penalty which was fortunately for Toulouse not converted.

 

A really torrid display on the part of Steenkamp and Meyer would make a serious mistake if he retains this player in his squad.

 

Jano Vermaak

 

After he came on after halftime - his service was crisp and above average.   He also made one good break around the fringes.   Had on the whole an above average game.

 

In essence the by some distance the best SA player on display thus far this weekend was Ferreira - followed by an above average Vermaak, an average Rallepele and a very poor Steenkamp.

 

I WILL UPDATE THIS THREAD AS THE GAMES PROGRESSES.       

 

WP - Golden Lions  Game

 

The assessment of the game is rather difficult when it comes to the Springbok squad - because the key  players making a real impact were Aplon an Knobel - both players not being in the Springbok squad.   Those in the squad can be summarised as follows:-

 

Outstanding performances

 

Etzebeth, Vermeulen and De Villiers

 

Iffy performances

 

Kolisi started off very poorly, knocking on a ball and giving away a penalty - but later on had one significant  ball carry and made a reasonable number of tackles.  In genral his performance in the winning side were non-descript.

 

Other performances

 

Much was made of the return of Schalk Burger -  if anyone was expecting miracles - there were none.   He came on for 20 minutes and did very little.  One miss tackle before the Lions try and one ball carry and one pass was the sum total of his achievements in the 20 minutes he played.

 

Fourie had a good game - but spoiled it all by giving away 3 penalties early - which kept the Lions in contention. Had two very good runs - but he also have lost possession because both ended up in penalties.   A  nice player to watch - but a danger for the team.  Did make one turnover and made some good tackles.

 

Jantjies had a poor game and did nothing of consequence - he clearly was out of depth and harmless as well.   Was replaced thereafter and the Lions backline looked better after that.

 

Mozart had a long song and dance about the issue of Malherbe last week.   The WP scrum early on was a mess - especially because of Cilliers.   That stabilized when Malherbe came on and as a matter of fact WP got the upper hand after the change.

 

Other than Aplon and Kolbe - De Allende and Catrakillis played very well.   It is a pity that Aplon is really too old to be considered for selection - but the other three will not let any team down.

 

 The Sharks - Cheetahs game

 

The Sharks won this game by he grace of Lambie with his contribution of 23 points.

 

Outstanding performances

 

Lambie stood out above everyone else.   Bismarck was good - despite his yellow card.  Du Toit had a very good game as well.  Coetzee was very good as well.   Marais once again showed tremendous promise.

 

On the Cheetahs side Strauss had a very good game and Labuschagne through his try and numerous ball carries (where it normally requires two of three tacklers to bring him down)  and large tackle ratio had a very good game on a side where the forwards of the Cheetahs was under constant pressure. 

 

Serous disappointment

 

After long reports about the return of Francois Steyn - it turned into nothing.   He handled the ball four times - got tackled by the first opponent in the first case, tried to run around the back of players in the second case and got squashed by Labuschagne - the other two cases resulting in aimless kicks.   He was interviewed at half time and from what I saw - he is still overweight and hardly fit - with his speed nothing better than it was before his injury.   Definitely far from ready for higher selection.  

 

Van Zyl had a very bad game as scrummie and I think he should not be in the squad any longer.

 

Summary

 

In general Goosen stats to look better - but there is still some time before he will be really in top form - he looks promising though.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
19 Oct 2013, 14:25
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19 Oct 2013, 14:25#2
 Try Jano Vermaak.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Oct 2013, 14:32
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19 Oct 2013, 14:32#3

Ceradyne

 

 

Thanks for the correction.  Do you think my assessment is otherwise correct? 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Oct 2013, 14:38
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19 Oct 2013, 14:38#4
Why mention Schalk Ferreira - the guy is nowhere near bok standard. Thankfully Meyer knows that. Vermark is a good scr ummie - international standard but shouild have been brought in earlier.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
19 Oct 2013, 14:52
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19 Oct 2013, 14:52#5
 
Try to hang on to the ball
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
19 Oct 2013, 14:54
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19 Oct 2013, 14:54#6
  My eyes are as funny as your face
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
19 Oct 2013, 14:57
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19 Oct 2013, 14:57#7
 Oh and by the way, it is Schalk Britz, not Schalk Ferreira.

I do not fully agree. Steenkamp did not set the world alight but, once again, he was not nearly as disastrous as you are making him out to be. He put in quite a number of telling tackles and although he was penalised in the first scrum that he came  on, his opposite number was also penalised for the same thing. It just once again makes me  wonder if the refs really always get it right or whether they are not sometimes playing a bit of a guessing game.


Chilliboy was also not quite the MOM but he did play his part in put in a number of good drives in mauls and in open play. Britz was, as usual more involved in  open play with his usual few Campese-shuffles but not really head and shoulders above any of the other hookers.

I agree with Jano.

The stand-out for me was the Toulouse no 8. His name has slipped my mind.

All in all I was disappointed in Saracens. They had a massive "home ground" advantage with a packed Wembley crowd behind them. It was a record attendance for a Heineken Cup game (62,000+) and still they battled, and eventually lost to a Toulouse that is not as on song this year.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Oct 2013, 15:01
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19 Oct 2013, 15:01#8
 Mike I want to see Deon Fourie at 6 Louw at 7.Also meyer should note some nice passing skills and creativity we saw in this game today.
Tighten up on defence on do the above and we are away.
Hooper looks like he was going to  deal ever so severely with retardlick but probably let his compassion get the better of him!  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Oct 2013, 16:16
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19 Oct 2013, 16:16#9

Ceradyne

 

Balls - it was the Toulouse prop I was referring to - not the very average Saracen hooker. 

 

Secondly what about the fact that the scrum got messy the moment Steenkamp came on and the penalty he gifted to Saracens towards the end of the game.   Not more than two tackles in any event - does not make up for the real mess he made otherwise.

 

Beeno

 

Fourie may be the answer - but he has limited capacity in some aspects of loosie play.   He can recover balls in breakdown situations - but are all too often penalized.   That is a problem on CC level - but will be much wore on test level.   His tackle count is low for an opensider as was in evidence throughout Super 15 (average only 5 tackles per game) and he plays no role in line out play.   A very good player to my mind - miles better than Kolisi - but with certain limitations as indicated -  that makes him a questionable test selection.

 

 In Super 15 - he made 20 turnovers - but gave away 15 penalties and lost possession 20 times - That is not on par with a player like Labuschagne - who made 3 times more tackles than him - made 19 turnovers and gave away  7 penalties and lost possession 7 times.  Besides that Labuschagne plays a key role in line out takes as well - where Fourie plays no role whatsoever.   Whether you like it or not - I would rather keep Louw as opensider and Labuschagne at blindside - based on actual performances and statistics of proven performance.   The line out situation - a major problem - will not improve by moving Louw to 7 and playing Fourie at 6 - it will in fact get worse by doing that.

 

 

 

 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
19 Oct 2013, 16:23
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19 Oct 2013, 16:23#10
 Jaaa ou Maaikie. SOS. If you do not agree, you avoid what I said and then get rude as usual.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Oct 2013, 18:54
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19 Oct 2013, 18:54#11

Beeno

 

I mentioned Schalk Ferreira - because he did play so well.  I wanted to show how  he did well - and Steenkamp messed up - all in the same game.     

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