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Rugby World Cup: Are the minnows closing the gap? by Niall Anderson; NZ Herald

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Sept 2015, 06:24
#1
26 Sept 2015, 06:24#1

It's been a while, too long really since Samoa genuinely set the heart racing at a World Cup the way they did in 1991.

They have dined out on that campaign for too long. As magical and inspiring as it was, Samoa need a new World Cup chapter. And they must be a chance, there has to be, that they will write one at Villa Park.

No one gets to choose where and when defining moments occur, but Samoa can at least see they can choose to see the potential of making a little history in Birmingham.

What they know is this - South Africa lost to Japan in their opening game. What Samoa assume from that is that the Boks will respond in the only way they know how, to run harder and straighter: to be at their most intimidating and aggressive.

South Africa's coach Heyneke Meyer has laid those facts out, bare as you like. The go-to euphemism for him is "old school". In that he implies he's out of touch, mired in the past, wedded to a belief that what used to work still can.

All of that, except him being out of touch, is probably true. He is wedded to the past, but has convinced himself that's because he's immersed himself in the present and failed to see why knocking lumps out of people all over the field can't actually be successful in the modern game.

"Whenever we are physical and play our style of rugby, nobody in the world can beat us," he said when he unveiled his team.

"That's what I try to get through to the players. We have to be leaders in our own field. We've won two World Cups and we can still win this one if we play South African rugby."

Samoa will of course disagree. They have to. Their World Cup campaign would benefit enormously from a victory over the Boks and not just because of where it would leave them in Pool B.

Japan have suddenly become the darlings of the rugby world. They have earned the right to be taken seriously, and behind their brave and innovative players lies the third largest economy in the world.

The attraction for Sanzar and World Rugby - who awarded Japan the 2019 hosting rights - was always the money. Now they have the justification to lobby for Japan on rugby grounds too.

Samoa, who are still pretty much at the stage of sending the wheelbarrow round the villages for donations, will stay in their familiar place of being out in the cold. They would love some kind of ticket into Super Rugby or the Rugby Championship. They would love to be kin with the big boys - having as they do the playing resource to survive there. But with no money and no lure of being the sort of place where anyone can make money, their only hope for changing the status quo is to demand it through their performances.

This is Samoa's time. They can get back to doing what they do best and rattling bones with their tackling.

When the Boks come hard, they will meet Motu Matu'u, the Hurricanes hooker who probably tackles harder than any man on the planet. TJ Ioane and Jack Lam will go all day and Kahn Fotuali'i must provide a timely reminder as to why many people feel he's one of the best halfbacks in the world. The electric feet of Tim Nanai-Williams can dance past anyone and stand back for the wrecking ball that is Alesana Tuilagi.

The bigger question is whether they have the organisation and tactical nous. Do they have the decision-makers, the poise, the control and patience to utilise what possession they win?

These are big questions and the time has come for Samoa to answer.


5 defining Samoa RWC moments


1. Beating Wales in 1991

The world stopped that day to watch what was then the biggest shock of all. The Welsh still talk about that defeat today.

2. Playing 16-man England

Unbelievably, England managed to play about 45 seconds of the 2003 pool match against Samoa with 16 men. It probably had no bearing on the outcome but still, rules are rules.

3. Bitten by the Boks

In the quarter-final of the 1995 World Cup, Samoa were well beaten in what was a brutal and entertaining game. It transpired that a few players had been bitten by the Boks during the game but they were persuaded to stay quiet.

4. Beating Wales again in 1999

Just to prove 1991 wasn't a fluke, Samoa repeated the trick in 1999. They pretty much did exactly what they had done eight years earlier and tackled Wales into a panic and then ran into the space that created.

5. Paul Williams' red card

The former Blues fullback was red-carded at North Harbour when Samoa played South Africa in 2011. It was such a harsh and unnecessary call that pretty much guaranteed that the Boks were going to hang on for the last 10 minutes.

NZ Herald

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Sept 2015, 06:34
#2
26 Sept 2015, 06:34#2
 So there is some history, what's this about the "biting Boks" in the 1995 RWC.  
The 2015 version should be a brutal game but can the likes of wee willie stop his rand stupidity & produce a moment of magic to break open the play for some tries? Nanai Williams is a far more capable player & can do the same for Samoa if the support is there.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
26 Sept 2015, 06:54
#3
26 Sept 2015, 06:54#3
 Didnt you know about the "Biting Boks " JW ? Thought it was common knowledge .That 16 players thing is typical of England ,along with ball changing and the like  ,Strange how only England and Wales are the only 2 teams who dont have to have a 4 day turn around isnt it ?No doubt some English chappette will have some torturous reasoning as to how it all occured .
BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
26 Sept 2015, 07:01
#4
26 Sept 2015, 07:01#4
 I also didn't know about the biting! What an embarrassment! On the turn around time, I strongly suspect that that is the reason Japan played so poorly against the Scott's! They don't have the depth to play a second string team, so they had to play the same battered and bruised team that played the boks four days earlier. Not fair, and very suspicious the England and Wales are exempt from doing the same. 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Sept 2015, 07:22
#5
26 Sept 2015, 07:22#5
 The "biting boks", l ooks like Matfields dentures have a mind of their own
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
26 Sept 2015, 13:16
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26 Sept 2015, 13:16#6
 The article is built in a strange way.

It pinpoints rightfully money as a determining factor. Yet fails to apply it to Tonga.

As by the article, Japan was granted the next world cup before they got their success against SA.

Japan got this by petitioning on money only. It happened before their victory over SA.

Petitioning through performance is not what Japan did.

Why should Samo petitioning through performance work?

The conclusion is the opposite: Samao cant petition anything through performance. They do not have the money to support their claim.

What is expected is that Samoa get passed by clients with more money, no matter Samoa's performance.

Today's match wont be different. Refs are paid with the money rugby generates. Refs' financial incentive is that the nations that do not generate cash are eliminated in favour of nations that generate cash.

Samao does not generate cash, refs have no financial incentive to give the rules interpretations that could favour Samoa.
Refs will give the interpretation that favour the team that mean a fatter check for refs.

People who can vote themselves a pay rise usually do. They seldom do the opposite, especially when the opportunity to get a pay rise is on the table.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Sept 2015, 13:27
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26 Sept 2015, 13:27#7
 Bluebok this cheap piece was written by some hack of he NZ herald. Need I say more .
Traditionalist you are correct to be cynical as we saw what a farce the last RWC was.I think though your view needs more proof. The Boks had a man sent off to engineer the Blossums win. How does that fit in. All the ruck penalties etc. Were were certainly not being favoured by the ref.   

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Sept 2015, 13:30
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26 Sept 2015, 13:30#8
 Aside from japan what mionnow has wonagaisnt a top trier nation?
We all know the Boks were very poor so is that closing the gap?
When G eorgia thumped Tonga it was two minnows doing battle.
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
26 Sept 2015, 13:43
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26 Sept 2015, 13:43#9
 If the blossums are the Japanese team, it should be obvious how it fits...

Nothing cynical by the way. Just telling things as they are.
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