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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
15 Mar 2017, 23:02
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15 Mar 2017, 23:02#1
England must front with millions to entice All Blacks for November showdown

BENOIT TESSIER

The All Blacks could play England at Twickenham on November 4.

OPINION:

"Show us the money" is likely to be the message in a bottle delivered across the oceans to England rugby's hierarchy about the potential of a tantalising November test against the All Blacks.  

Right now England need New Zealand more than the All Blacks need Eddie Jones. It's that position of negotiating strength that allows NZ Rugby boss Steve Tew to sit back and demand what he has always craved from the English RFU - a cash cow revenue-sharing test at Twickenham.

Tew declined to comment on Wednesday but appears to have counterpart Ian Ritchie over a barrel when it comes to staging a heavyweight showdown between the All Blacks and England one year earlier than scheduled.



HENRY BROWNE/REUTERS

Eddie Jones at Twickenham, where the England Rugby Union hopes to lure the All Blacks.


In a British and Irish Lions year, the All Blacks don't need another difficult test added to a schedule that already includes a full scale Rugby Championship followed by matches against France, Scotland and Wales on the end of season tour.


The All Blacks, No 1 team in the world, hold the mantle Jones so desperately desires. It now comes down to how much England, the world's richest union, are willing to pay for the chance to knock the All Blacks off their perch and give credence to their transformation. Stealing the No 1 ranking otherwise is but a fanciful dream.

Bottom line, that means England's RFU probably needs to agree to a revenue-sharing arrangement that would see NZ Rugby walk away with 3 million pounds (NZ$5.3m) from the one-off fixture.

Reports from London's Daily Mail suggested the All Blacks could take home around 2m pounds ($3.5m NZD) for a match commemorating the 125th anniversary of the Barbarians on the same proposed November 4 date, which sits outside the designated test window.

A game against the Barbarians is an easy sell. All Blacks coach Steve Hansen could rest many of his big guns, and still keep Tew happy by filling coffers further after a bumper Lions tour.

That money filters through the New Zealand game. And as Aaron Cruden, Steven Luatua, Tawera Kerr-Barlow, James Lowe and Charlie Faumuina among others prepare to leave these shores, it only helps in the on-going fight to retain key players.

The upshot is England must make it worth NZ Rugby's while to swap the Baabaas for a match-up between the world's two best teams that would near sell out Twickenham overnight. 

Now the potential for the test everyone in world rugby is gagging for has emerged, pressure will come on Ritchie to deliver.

Before now Ritchie has been less than sympathetic over the southern hemisphere nations - particularly the All Blacks - being squeezed out of profits due to their small stadia. Not long ago he scoffed: "Go build a bigger stadium."

But to give Eddie what he wants, Ritchie knows it will be on NZ Rugby's terms or not at all.

Jones doesn't want to go into the World Cup having only faced the All Blacks once - in 2018. He knows the only way to truly measure how far his men have come is to test them against the best. And now his boss seemingly has the opportunity to make that happen.  

The danger for Ritchie is should he agree to a revenue-sharing arrangement the precedent will be set. From then on, any test between England and the All Blacks agreed outside the June and November test windows will come with a similar, hefty price tag.

NZ Rugby has long been keen to maximise the All Blacks' earning power by agreeing to add on tests before northern tours. Last year they lost to Ireland in Chicago but still banked around $1 million, along with the benefits of looking after American-based commercial sponsors.

In 2014 it was the USA in Chicago; the year before Japan in Tokyo.

These arrangements contain many moving parts - commercial and rugby considerations just some.

But if Ritchie is willing to stump up the cash, world rugby may get its ultimate test.


 - Stuff

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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
15 Mar 2017, 23:04
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15 Mar 2017, 23:04#2
 They have to do it,... a match to decide who is nº1 in the world,.... everybody is expecting this game,... the most expected game in many years,... and if they want to promote rugby over the world, this is the best way,... they have to do it
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,260 posts
15 Mar 2017, 23:14
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15 Mar 2017, 23:14#3
I think this is a must. England are well deserving of number 2 in the world, but breaking the world record of unbeaten matches, without having played the number 1 team makes it less legit. 
With the Lions total focus, it would be good to have this game now.
If England do beat the All Blacks it will make the world record much more significant. Otherwise, It would go down in history as a conspiracy. 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Mar 2017, 23:17
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15 Mar 2017, 23:17#4
 Interest has been growing as England continues to win & Eddy continues to crow The press will keep interest growing and it can only help rugby. Bring it on I say, let's hope that both sides are not decimated by injuries by the time they play.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Mar 2017, 00:03
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16 Mar 2017, 00:03#5
Poms ....one win, no losses against Ireland, since Eddie ABs.....one win, one loss against Ireland. Poms beat Ireland on Saturday case closed. If they lose, the match loses much of it's aura of the 'best' team challenging the unbeaten team.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
16 Mar 2017, 01:13
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16 Mar 2017, 01:13#6
 England ,1 win every decade vs NZ.England ,couldnt make it out of pool play in their own backyard.NZ 3 RWCs -Eng 1..NZ 6 on the trot vs Eng since 2012.Unless they play NZ its hardly case closed .
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
16 Mar 2017, 01:41
#7
16 Mar 2017, 01:41#7
Plus, Poms are peaking too early
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Mar 2017, 02:11
#8
16 Mar 2017, 02:11#8
No doubt WD, but we are talking about Eddie's England. Ireland are going to be very, very tough on Saturday, they may do the job for you.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
16 Mar 2017, 02:42
#9
16 Mar 2017, 02:42#9
A player by player comparison is not a predictor of who would win as coaching, home field advantage (& perhaps the ref) need to be taken into account but here is one man's assessment (Telegraph reporter Gavin Mairs) with a critique from NZ Herald.
No Whitelock? Contentious calls in All Blacks-England combined XV

A British newspaper has compiled an All Blacks-England XV with the world champions coming out on top despite a few contentious selections.

Telegraph reporter Gavin Mairs has selected his preferred starting side made up of players from the current All Blacks and England squads. Over the weekend England equalled the All Blacks' 18-test winning streak which the world number one side set last year.

England can break the tier-one record with a victory over Ireland on Sunday.

According to Mairs, he'd select 10 All Blacks and five England players in his side, with 84-test veteran Sam Whitelock probably the biggest snub. Mairs selected impressive lock Maro Itoje ahead of Whitelock.

The All Blacks XV Mairs choose from is based on the side that beat Ireland in Dublin last season, which is why Liam Squire is named at six ahead of regular starter Jerome Kaino. A Kaino selection would most probably give the All Blacks an 11-4 advantage.

The centre pairing of Malakai Fekitoa and Anton Lienert-Brown also might not be considered as the first choice 12-13 combination for All Blacks coach Steve Hansen with Ryan Crotty starting in 11 tests last year.

Two of the five England selections (Itoje and Owen Farrell) were both nominated for World Rugby player of the year last season, as was Billy Vunipola who still missed out to Kieran Read for the starting number eight spot in Mairs' team.

Telegraph's combined All Blacks-England starting XV

15 - Ben Smith vs Mike Brown - Smith
14 - Israel Dagg vs Jack Nowell - Dagg
13 - Malakai Fekitoa vs Jonathan Joseph - Joseph
12 - Anton Lienert-Brown vs Owen Farrell - Farrell
11 - Julian Savea vs Elliot Daly - Savea
10 - Beauden Barrett vs George Ford - Barrett
9 - Aaron Smith vs Ben Youngs - Smith
8 - Kieran Read vs Billy Vunipola - Read
7 - Sam Cane vs James Haskell - Cane
6 - Liam Squire vs Courtney Lawes - Lawes
5 - Sam Whitelock vs Maro Itoje - Itoje
4 - Brodie Retallick vs Joe Launchbury - Retallick
3 - Owen Franks vs Dan Cole - Franks
2 - Dane Coles vs Dylan Hartley - Coles
1 - Joe Moody vs Mako Vunipola - Vunipola

NZ Herald


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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
16 Mar 2017, 03:12
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16 Mar 2017, 03:12#10
 It's time...bring it on, talk is cheap. The rugby world is waiting.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Mar 2017, 04:18
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16 Mar 2017, 04:18#11
 Can't imagine why the Telegraph has Itoje at 5 and Lawes at 6. The only really close call is Reid over Vunipola. Numbers advantage to NZ, kicking advantage to England....Twickenham a big plus.
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
16 Mar 2017, 06:54
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16 Mar 2017, 06:54#12
England are untested. Player by Player NZ are superior. I think England are very good and deserve second. But I still think they are well off NZ. So I'm hoping their is a test this November to show this. However NZ has the Lions series this season. So not sure the England test we'll happen schedually and physically. The Lions series we'll be physically demanding on all involved. But we'll se.
GI
giveithornsRookie42 posts
16 Mar 2017, 08:26
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16 Mar 2017, 08:26#13
This would be the test match of the year! I hope it happens.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
16 Mar 2017, 08:37
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16 Mar 2017, 08:37#14
 
Definitely ... perhaps even of the decade.

Like two prize fighters mouthing off at each other ... with the inevitable clash taking place shortly thereafter.

I would love to see the Poms put the loudmouthed Kiwis in their place.

I sense a tense and frightened Wardad all a tremble at the knee.

In the mean time ... roll on England ... take the consecutive wins title and push it deep into the twenties.

Goooooooooooo Eddiiieeeeeeee!!!

Mean while the Boks are lagging comfortably at 7th.

Haaaaahahahahahaaa!!! 





WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
16 Mar 2017, 08:40
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16 Mar 2017, 08:40#15
 Thats the thing innit Moz ,I dont want other teams doing for me when the ABs are easily more capable .Rettalick and Jaws come as a single entity ,Itoje hasnt shown me anything to say he is more capable .
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
16 Mar 2017, 09:04
#16
16 Mar 2017, 09:04#16
Clean Cut? Loud mouth Kiwis. Tell me other then Eddie who's shouting their mouth? No one it's only England. NZ have barley said anything.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
16 Mar 2017, 09:04
#17
16 Mar 2017, 09:04#17
 
Retallick and "Jaws" is hardly the world best lock. He is however the best you have at the moment.

Definitely not something to write home about.




MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Mar 2017, 14:36
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16 Mar 2017, 14:36#18
 'Role on England'.....hahaha....another one that escaped Carbuncle's spellcheck.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
16 Mar 2017, 15:15
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16 Mar 2017, 15:15#19
 Those two were good enough to win a RWC and a swag of other trophies and tests[ including 6 tests on the trot vs England] ,plus a player of the year .Better than what anyone else has according to the record.Pretty good as a partnership I would say .Loud mouthed ? Your the expert I guess ,we dont feel the need being quite content with things thanks all the same.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Mar 2017, 16:09
#20
16 Mar 2017, 16:09#20
 WD I coined the name "Jaws" for Retallik....based on his appearance as a dead ringer for the James Bond character.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
16 Mar 2017, 16:44
#21
16 Mar 2017, 16:44#21
 Fortunately playing lock does not require winning  beauty contest. I guess your favorite lock was the exception (Matfield) but some question if he was really a lock. His nickname was "seagull" wasn't it?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Mar 2017, 17:28
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16 Mar 2017, 17:28#22
 Actually I called him Air Matfield.....very appropriate methinks.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 Mar 2017, 19:24
#23
16 Mar 2017, 19:24#23
 JW, his nickname was kiewiet...a coastal bird with very thin legs. I don't know if you get them inland, definitely not a seagull. 
Image at link
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 Mar 2017, 19:26
#24
16 Mar 2017, 19:26#24
 PS Jaque Fourie's nick was Mossie (sparrow) for the same reason.
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
16 Mar 2017, 19:48
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16 Mar 2017, 19:48#25
I guess you'll get a different nickname for Victor Matfield depending on who you ask.
His fans will say "Big Vic" because they believe this notion that he was a physically intimidating specimen.
His detractors will say "Kiewiet" because he was actually a rather skinny player with unusually thin legs.
Then there are his adoring groupies who have shrines to him on their bedside table, semen-encrusted posters of him above their beds and Big Vic action figures which they use as butt-plugs . . . those fixated groupies call him "Air Matfield".

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Mar 2017, 19:56
#26
16 Mar 2017, 19:56#26
Uh oh.....the plagiarist, hurt on another string, strikes back with a butt-plug attack. LMAOFY!
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
16 Mar 2017, 23:30
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16 Mar 2017, 23:30#27
 Moz I still reckon Retallick is the love child of Herman Munster and former NZ Prime Minister Helen Clarke !Victorr ,ah he of the flying lions mane ,truly the personification of Seth Efrican manhood !Joking aside wee Victorr was a thorn in the ABs side when in his prime and I really dont get the hate for him from his own peeps .I cant think of any AB that has copped the same negative vibe , even wee Beaver !
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
16 Mar 2017, 23:40
#28
16 Mar 2017, 23:40#28
 I agree Wardad, wee Vic was a world class player who serves his country proud. He was a line out master & had good ball handling skills, don't know why he gets such a hard time from Bok supporters.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
17 Mar 2017, 08:48
#29
17 Mar 2017, 08:48#29
 
He was a wizard. He hasn't been for many years. Returning to the fray as a hasbeen hurt the Boks and smacks of arrogance.

He thought of himself as the "be all and end all" of Bok rugby ... at 38.

He should rather have stuck to cycling ... at least that way he would have hung on to his dignity and people would have respected him for the great he was.




WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
17 Mar 2017, 15:13
#30
17 Mar 2017, 15:13#30
 Yes he hung on just a tad too long perhaps ,a mentoring role may have been a better way for him to keep contributing as I reckon he was still trying to put in his best for the Boks.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Mar 2017, 03:51
#31
22 Mar 2017, 03:51#31
 At the moment the chances of this game happening this year are very slim. Seems that it would not be so much of a net profit after all. Eddie if all for it though.
Rugby: England clash reportedly off table for All Blacks, NZ Herald

England seem certain to miss out on a clash with the All Blacks later this year, with the RFU set to confirm a New Zealand v Barbarians fixture at Twickenham on November 4 instead.

The Daily Mail is reporting that English coach Eddie Jones was desperate for a crack at the reigning world champions off the back of their Six Nations triumph and their record-equalling winning streak.

While RFU chief executive Ian Ritchie seemed open to vetoing the Barbarians clash, Sportsmail claims NZ Rugby counterpart Steve Tew has been insistent it go ahead as planned.

The All Blacks will also face France, Scotland and Wales on their northern hemisphere tour this year, and aren't due to meet England until November 2018.

The Mail reports that Ritchie was so keen to bring the rivals together earlier that he threatened to withdraw Twickenham as a venue for the Barbarians match, thus reducing the anticipated gate.

But the RFU has apparently been forced to back down - vetoing the Barbarians fixture would have made it seem "heavy-handed and churlish", said The Mail.

There are also concerns that an All Blacks v Barbarians encounter in London would overshadow England's subsequent campaign against Australia, Argentina and Samoa, adversely affecting ticket sales for those games.

While an England-New Zealand clash would undoubtedly sell out, the RFU would have had to split the proceeds with NZR and then probably split their own share with premiership clubs in return for releasing players outside the international window.

By the time the world's top two sides meet again, they have gone four years between meetings. They will contest just game during the current World Cup cycle, after meeting six times during the previous 2011-15 period.

NZ Herald

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