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Running lines hurt the Stormers....

Started by Mozart31 REPLIES754 VIEWS· 25 Mar 2018, 21:24
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Mar 2018, 21:24
#1
25 Mar 2018, 21:24#1
Opines Nick Mallett singling out Whitehead and Fatty Viljoen: 'Reds captain James Slipper was disappointed to lose in his 100th game, but he can be very proud of the way they played. 'For long periods in the second half, the Stormers had more territory and possession. But through individual errors, especially poor running lines from [Stormers fullback] George Whitehead and [centre] EW Viljoen, the Stormers let them back into it. Running straight is absolutely vital for our backs to create space for the guys on the outside. 'The Reds showed great character and scored a wonderful try at the end. Raymond Rhule got the Man of the Match award because of his attacking play. But I keep repeating it is what you do with and without the ball that should get you Man of the Match. Unfortunately, defence is something Raymond really needs to work on. '
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Mar 2018, 22:06
#2
25 Mar 2018, 22:06#2

What a load of baloney again.   Normally Mozart hates it when some  Mallett quotes are mentioned on this site - now suddenly he mentioned one.

Obviously one has to evaluate that Mallett statement on the basis of Viljoen's stats.  He is credited  with a try assist when he beats the plodder Kerevi and the latter ended up on the ground trying to hang on to the shirt of Viljoen, which the latter shaked off with ease.

Viljoen carried the ball 9 times for a gain of 44 meters.   In the process he made 1 line break beating two defenders,   Problem is that Viljoen is probably the foremost straight-running center in SA by all who have seen him playing regularly.    

 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Mar 2018, 22:37
#3
25 Mar 2018, 22:37#3
Nonsense, even Mallett spotted Fattie's problem. And of course you fail to mention his defensive stats, 6 tackles tried 2 missed.....and two costly turnovers gifted to the Reds.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Mar 2018, 00:45
#4
26 Mar 2018, 00:45#4

You were hallucinating about ball carries and now suddenly Viljoen is fat -  what a farce.  

 

FULL NAME EW SURNAME Viljoen HEIGHT 192 cm WEIGHT 100 Kg BIRTH DATE 09 May 1995 BIRTH PLACE Bloemfontein MARITIAL STATUS Single PRIMARY SCHOOL Grey College Primary SECONDARY SCHOOL Grey College

He is the ideal weight for an  athlete that height stooge - 15 kgs lighter than Fat Fransie and will  beat the latter by 30 meters over a 100 meter race.  


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Mar 2018, 05:45
#5
26 Mar 2018, 05:45#5
It's rather ironical. You despise the 'centre' Matfield ...but rate the left wing Stephanie. You scorn Fattie Steyn but then pick Fattie Viljoen the carthorse. And you can't abide the powerhouse Alberts, but rate his impotent smaller clone Stampkar.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Mar 2018, 08:10
#6
26 Mar 2018, 08:10#6

Mozart

I use proven information - not imagined info like you do.   Take for instance the double lies you come up with as to Viljoen.   The official stats indicate that Viljoen is not fat and the one try he scored in the Blues game prove he is not a carthorse as alleged by you.   The prove - Engelbrecht picked up the ball when a Blues player knocked the ball on in the Stormers  22 and a full speed chase ensued.  When Engelbrecht eventually got caught in the Blues 22 - who was there to receive his pass?   Your alleged carthorse.

Your statement on Stander and Alberts is also indicative of you living in fools paradise.   First of all Stander was always a better, pacier  and more hardworking loosie with double the work rate of the useless  Alberts.   Nobody who knows anything about loosie play will confirm that Alberts was the slowest loosie ever playing for the Springboks and a poor tackler as well - remember the way he missed a tackle on Read in the AB test in 2013 for instance.   He also never ever protected and recovered  breakdown balls even when he standing next to the tackled Smith in that same test - so clumsy he fell over his own feet instead.    Both those incidents in the s ame test resulted in tries being scored and a test loss by the Springboks.  Just two e4xmples of  a player who should never have been a Springbok.

As to Matfield - ask yourself  why other real Springbok locks do not rate him and ask why Bakkies referred ironically to Matfield when saying he was not always standing around in the backline.    Matfield - other than in line-outs was a real loss in actual tight 5 play.   That is one reason why Meyer had to select a carthorse like Alberts who could in theory made  up for the deficient  Matfield in Tight 5 play.    There were positives in some aspects of play of Matfield - but on the whole Matfield became worse after his return to play tests in 2014 when he was a dead loss.     


          

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Mar 2018, 15:25
#7
26 Mar 2018, 15:25#7
When Englebrecht was tackled he fell on the ground, another Bloos player arrived.....and then more than a second, or 10 metres later, Fattie Viljoen arrived. He got the pop pass off the deck. Fattie Viljoen lost ground with every step of the chase.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Mar 2018, 15:54
#8
26 Mar 2018, 15:54#8

Listen keep on lying - but remember people know you by now as being totally against the truth.   Maybe you think the truth is too valuable  to be abused by using it too frequently.       However, three lies in one comment  is stretching it a lot.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Mar 2018, 16:16
#9
26 Mar 2018, 16:16#9
Prove the lie....show some evidence.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Mar 2018, 16:42
#10
26 Mar 2018, 16:42#10

Mozrt

At 192 cm and weighing 100 kgs VIljoen can never be classified as "fat"  - the ideal weight for a sportsman  that height would be 103 to 105 kgs.   When being 194 cm the ideal weight is between 105 and 107 kgs.   Your hero Fransie weighed 118 kgs up to 2016 - but he may be down to 112 kgs - which still means he even now carries a lot of lard.   Hence the description of him as Fat Fransie.  

I would now deal with the try against the Blues since Eng elbrecht passed the ball to Viljoen -  there were only four players on the scene  - the tackler of Engelbrecht and another Blues player - Engelbrecht after being tackled  passed the ball to Viljoen and he brushed off the tackle attempt by the only Blues defender and scored the try.   If he was as slow as you made him out to be - he would not keep up with the speed of Engelbrecht and the Blues defenders.

It would be better if you look at issues objectively and do not use deception on this site.      

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Mar 2018, 18:55
#11
26 Mar 2018, 18:55#11
No show us the evidence Fatty Viljoen kept up with the chase.
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
26 Mar 2018, 19:09
#12
26 Mar 2018, 19:09#12

Don't worry Mike most players are fat by Moz standards, except Fransie and people are like Saffex.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Mar 2018, 19:10
#13
26 Mar 2018, 19:10#13

Balls - he scored the try - keep to the truth for a change.    How could he otherwise and stop  your lie about his  weight.    You are getting tiresome with all  your misrepresentations.   I can't keep   up correcting your continues lies.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Mar 2018, 19:19
#14
26 Mar 2018, 19:19#14
Just looked at the tape again.....Fattie Viljoen crosses the Bloos 22 one step behind on Bloos defender/ three steps behind the other. By the time they reach the Stormers 10 metres line he is 7 metres behind the leading chaser and 5 metres behind the second......he has lost 3 metres in 32 metres of running.....ie he is 10% slower than the Bloos chasers. JJ holds up slightly looking for support....the leading Bloos defender puts him to deck....the second one circles round behind the tackle. Fattie takes 10 full strides after JJ is tackled and rolls over before he receives the pop pass. The second defender is flat footed and Fattie steams past for the try without a glove being placed on him. No tackle was brushed off And the proof is conclusive Fattie is 10% slower
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Mar 2018, 20:30
#15
26 Mar 2018, 20:30#15

Anybody believing the above BS must be ignorant as Mozart is in  the game of rugby   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Mar 2018, 21:18
#16
26 Mar 2018, 21:18#16
Denials and claims of lies vs facts, examples, stats. Every word in that posting is completely accurate.....live with it. Or if you want to debate produce something, anything that supports anything you have said.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Mar 2018, 22:26
#17
26 Mar 2018, 22:26#17

Fact is nobody can believe anything you wrote above,   You refer to stats - the only stats provided above was provided by me - yet you ignore \those.   Then when caught out you describe a myth according to which it would have been impossible for Viljoen to score the try he did score.

You can live with your  lies - you seems to believe in it - very few would in fact not realize that an ything you write about your pet hate players are total garbage devoid of any truth            

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Mar 2018, 22:48
#18
26 Mar 2018, 22:48#18
You argue like a kid in Primary school....make a case with facts, statistics, quotes or pictures.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Mar 2018, 23:16
#19
26 Mar 2018, 23:16#19

Mozart

It is virtually impossible to discuss anything with you - I gave the facts (inclusive of stats) and you persist with your fabrications.     

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Mar 2018, 23:34
#20
26 Mar 2018, 23:34#20
I have picked out one piece of your long diatribe, the Fatty Viljoen try. The only fact you presented was that he brushed off a tackle....not true. I described exactly where Fattie was at various stages of the chase, fully documenting his position relative to the chasers. And the best you can produce is to falsely accuse me of lies. Pathetic stuff, juvenile debate.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Mar 2018, 01:17
#21
27 Mar 2018, 01:17#21

Listen - if Viljoen was where you said he was he would not have been able to score the try.  The second Blues chaser did try to tackle Viljoem - but he brushed him off.  

Those are facts so your fabrication  is BS In capital letters.   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Mar 2018, 02:05
#22
27 Mar 2018, 02:05#22
So no facts.....Viloen was exactly where I said he was ....10 strides behind. And he never 'brushed off' a Bloo, the tackler was dead stopped when Fatty took the offload, Bloo stretched out a feeble arm and never made any meaningful contact. It's all available on the internet....look at the video and apologize again.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Mar 2018, 05:32
#23
27 Mar 2018, 05:32#23

No need to because you lie about Viljoen being Fat to start off/ to  -  stupid.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Mar 2018, 06:27
#24
27 Mar 2018, 06:27#24
Nope, no lie about that either....this is straight off Stormers.com. As you say 100 kgs would be ideal, but 104 is already too heavy and by the looks of things he has porked up considerably since the official numbers were gathered.....hence Fattie Viljoen, nice alliteration as well. Position: Centre Date of birth: 9/5/1995 Place of birth: Height: 193 Weight: 104
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Mar 2018, 07:01
#25
27 Mar 2018, 07:01#25

Mozart

Are you dumb or not or are lies just part and parcel of your normal conduct.  

Viljoen may be 104 kgs - but that is within the weight list for sportsmen as accepted on medical grounds.   This list was published on site in 2013 when the debate on Fat Fransie erupted. The latter is 194 cm in height and weighed 118 kgs at the time.

Steyn was required by Plumtree in 2013 to reduce his weight to as near as possible to the level of 105 to 107 kgs as possible,   He never did so in the period 2013 to 2015 and some reduction was allegedly made since to 112 kgs - which is still 5 to 7 kgs overweight.  He fully deserve the  designation as Fat Fransie - Viljoen is not fat at all.   Nobody would ever forget that pic of Fransie with his huge stomach bulging  over the top of his short pants taken after an injury in 2015.

You could go to your quack and if he is worth his salt he will give you the list - should be no problem with the overweight Americans being in the majority.   However,  you should in fact  apologize for lies you spread on this site in this case,    

By the way this reminds me of the BS you published on site as to "the thin wrists, thin shoulders and long neck" of Du Toit and the pace assessment of various players you do not like.  Total BS and lies at best resulting from prejudice.   The latter pet hates apparently is standard  with you.  One day when I have time I will publish  your pet hates list - as well as the list of proven non-performing dud players you always punted,    The first list is very long - the second just a bit shorter.   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Mar 2018, 15:03
#26
27 Mar 2018, 15:03#26
No Mike I'm not dumb.....I got two class medals at UCT as an undergraduate, was the top MBA student at the UCT business school.....got my PhD with 'A's for every course, the only student to do so in my time....and was offered a job by Caltech to teach the some of the world's top scientists economics. But I was smart so I decided to make some money instead. That's backed up by the wisdom gained by running two Fortune 500 companies and serving as lead director of two Fortune 100 companies, both global leaders. Now some may accuse me of bragging, but you have asked me maybe 50 times if I'm dumb. I just decided to answer your question.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Mar 2018, 15:40
#27
27 Mar 2018, 15:40#27

Listen - this has nothing to do with your academic achievements and everything to do with rugby.  You make seriously defective posts on this site - things that even an idiot could see is rubbish - and then end up with responses you do not like.  Fact is I admire your academic and professional achievements - but you have serious deficiencies in rugby evaluation    Anyway I am sorry I insulted you in the way I did.

Your story about Viljoen is just one of many - they all stem from prejudice and your continuous search for something you can find to criticize your pet hate players.   Lets take the Viljoen "fat" myth.   I told you years ago (in the discussion about Fat Fransie0 that the doctors have a schedule of best weight categories depending on height and that have a bearing on potential fitness and sporting achievements,

When I pointed it out to you in the case of Viljoen you insisted on your imagined belief.   I then really challenge you to get that list from your quack - he is bound to have it - and look at the weight recommended iro  in respect of people with the height of 193 cm and Fat Franie at 194 cm.   There obviously is not a big difference between what the two should weigh - but Fransie at one stage was between 13 and 11 kgs over the limit and Viljoen is just about the right schedule weight and medically not fat.

You obviously are welcome to write what you think about rugby - but then you should stick to proven facts please.  Stay away from constantly trying to find dubious faults with performance .of your pet hate players - it really is not giving a positive image about you. 

     

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Mar 2018, 15:48
#28
27 Mar 2018, 15:48#28
.......I do know about the body mass chart,
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Mar 2018, 16:05
#29
27 Mar 2018, 16:05#29

Then why did you not use it and made unfounded allegations?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Mar 2018, 18:26
#30
27 Mar 2018, 18:26#30

Fook, but this is funny as hell! EW a fatty! Fransie a world class 10?....or both of them world beaters...or both sh!t...my head hurts...well, my jawline actually...and my stomach muscles...this is hilarious!!

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Mar 2018, 20:13
#31
27 Mar 2018, 20:13#31


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WardadPro6,663 posts
29 Mar 2018, 14:59
#32
29 Mar 2018, 14:59#32
Just running seems to hurt the Gentle Breezers .
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