I don't have the number of concussions he has suffered on hand, but I do know that he has suffered quite a few - like McCaw! Should he quite while he is ahead? It isn't talked about much in rugby circles, but CTE (chronic traumatic encephalopathy) is already a danger for Crotty. This can lead to dementia and a host of other psychological issues, even suicide. Many athletes who had violent episodes were found to have CTE. Some even murdering their families. I not suggesting that this is path Crotty is on and there is no turning back, or that he will do any of these things, merely that these are the risks. It's a life altering injury.
Ryan Crotty: Should He Retire?
Dunno how many concussions Crotty has suffered but on the same page as you as far as CTE goes.
One can be as fit and as strong as you like but a head knock remains a head knock.
Some of talks I've listened to have been downright terrifying.
Y ears ago Joe Rogan got his mate Brenden Schaub onto his podcast and persuaded him to quit mma because of the amount of knockouts he'd suffered. MMA fighters are more prone to bring concussed since gloves are thinner and hits jag the brain around more than in boxing.
As far as I understand, a part the problem is that some people are more susceptible to it than others as well. Big sports money then grays the line further by being as unhelpful as possible in the pursuit of understanding more about it.
Another nice post Aug.
I think there was some mention somewhere to the effect that he had been concussed 12 times during the last 18 months - but I cannot remember exactly when that. That - if it is in fact true - would be serious indeed and it would have loner term health consequences for Crotty.
It is obviously for the player himself to deal with it - one can only hope for the best for him an d his future.
Mike, if that's true then holy shit it's a lot.
Its up to Crotty innit ? And no one else in the end.
According to odt.co.nz he has suffered 6 concussions in less than 18 months. That is still a very significant number.
Yes it is WD.
I don't think this was a discussion about "forcing' him to retire? Unless i missed something.
yeah, they were 6 concussions in 18 months
and here an article about it:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12111464
where the author says:
"The focus on obvious brain trauma, the really big, symptomatic head clashes, obscures the real dangers in contact sports, the ones that lead to chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE).
Paradoxically, this understandable focus on concussion has made it too easy for sports administrators to say they're winning the fight.
In June I had the privilege of travelling to Boston to spend time with the foremost CTE and concussion researchers in the world. They know all sorts of stuff that is truly worrying and it might just be that concussion, if treated and recuperated from properly, is some way down the list.
I will write about this in some depth in the near future but there is a sense from some researchers that the rush towards the concussion-is-the-root-of-all-evil narrative has actually been a boon to organisations like the NFL, the NHL and World Rugby because they can say, "Yes, but look what we're doing about it."
And it's true. The recognition of the dangers of concussion is light years from where it was a generation ago.
But it's the long-term exposure to collisions, the vast majority of them sub-concussive and to the naked eye barely perceptible, that shapes as sport's real challenge. It's why I have become convinced that we are only a decade or two away from banning contact sport among pre-teen children (but that is a story for another day)."
and I read on another article (that I cannot find), that another very important issue is to have (or not) post-concussion symptoms like headaches, nausea, vomits, blurred vision,.... Kane Hames, e.g., has not been able to play this last year because he had symptoms during this last entire year,... that's the most dangerous and seems can lead to the mentioned "chronic traumatic encephalopathy
(CTE)",... Ben Smith also suffered symptoms for a long time,... but Crotty, in spite of having suffered too many concussions, has not suffered the symptoms and has recovered quickly,... this last time he didn't have symptoms and went through the protocols,.... he probably couold be playing this weekend but they are going to take a precautionary time
most important thing here is that he's going to receive the best possible professional advice to decide what is best for him, no doubt
"Ben Smith also suffered symptoms for a long time,... but Crotty, in spite of having suffered too many concussions, has not suffered the symptoms and has recovered quickly"
Thats exactly the problem. Small sample size with vastly varying data.
It's also very sad when you hear how it turns out for some guys. People who went through total personality shifts and ended up being someone entirely different form when they started out.
ABF
Thanks for clarifying the true number of concussions in the case of Crotty. I think that it is still serious. However, it would not necessarily be problematic - depending on the seriousness of the concussion suffered.
In some cases the recovery is in a shorter period mostly below a month - in other cases it can be as long as 6 months. The latter cases is the most problematic from a medical perspective
In the case of Crotty it is not clear what the length of recovery was involved in the 6 cases and if there were lengthy periods involved it will indeed be dangerous. Perhaps ABF could give us an indication of the absence periods of Crotty from playing rugby following each of t he 6 concussion incidents.
Listen dim F#ck - can you read stupid idiot and saw what I wrote to ABF - or are you too stupid for that!!!!!!!!!!!What a BSter
By the same that is not equal to your lies you invented and never apologized for.
Make a contribution relating to the topic under discussion or FO
Useles s contribution by the biggest liar on site ever - no topic discussion so FO
Ha, ha
Rugby players have sometimes suffered after their careers. It is unclear whether it rugby was the cause. For example Andre Venter and Joost van der Westhuizen- but they were not players that "often" had concussions.
Good to see you Black Power ! Where have you been Brother ?
Maybe head gear would help Crotty ?
I've done a lot of reading on rugby headgear and the consensus seems to be that they do little to nothing to prevent concussion - which is probably why most players don't bother with them. Even the more advanced gear of the last 2 or 3 years are cautiously marketed as only having "the potential" to prevent concussion.
Yeah I read probably the same thing Mr Pakie but thought that the benefits of the new gear was understated for legal reasons ?
Probably WD. I remember an article on Stuff.co.nz though where they talk about an actual trial that included experimental helmets with thicker padding along with the normal scrumcaps and they found no reduction whatsoever in head injuries from even the better protected helmets. Soft shelled head gear is apparently no good for concussion protection.
When the head is hit the brain moves inside the cranium. You can shield the skull from blunt force trauma, you can't stop the brain from moving. This is effectively what causes a concussion.
https://www.google.co.za/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/03/27/tech/d3o-orange-gel/index.html
Saw this stuff about ten years ago. Thought I'd check if they've started using it yet. Initially thought it would work nicely inside cricket gloves.
Gel type substance. Soft natural state but hardens instantly on impact. Then takes a period of time to return to gel state.
The right mix could probably act as a very good shock absorber since its hardening is directly dependent on the force of the impact.
Still, regardless of how smooth the stop, if it happens over a short space of time then the brain is gonna get rattled.
Inside a helmet it'd probably be more effective than padded into a scrum cap.
Knee injuries are a big one too. No idea how they'll solve that .
Thanks BB


