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Sa Players who enhanced their reputation today and those who did not.

Started by clevermike9 REPLIES205 VIEWS· 19 Apr 2014, 22:47
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Apr 2014, 22:47
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19 Apr 2014, 22:47#1

I am not mentioning those who have maintained a good level of performance in recent weeks. Lets start from the back.


De Allende had an excellent game - by far the best of any SA backline players.  I have a question how come he seems to be the only backline players who draws in defenders and know how to off-load balls in tackle situations?  His off-load leading to the Carr try is really top class show of what is to be done.


De Jongh started off well enough in his first two games this year.  He was back to his level of sub-par performances that characterised his display of last year.


Francois Steyn really is a generous man - he gifted the Cheetahs the only try they scored today.  However, he is also glutonous - when there is an easy conversion he grabs the ball and insists on him kicking at goal.  Maybe he felt that with his standard poor game conversions will make him acceptable.  Still no sign of anything of substance in attack.


Engelbrecht and Serfontein had better games in defense than they had in the past - but still showed less prenetration in attack than they  should.


Swiel showed real signs of being a good thinking flyhalf - his runs were dangerous and his one line break leading to the Scoring of the Sharks only try was a very good indication of what is to be expected from a flyhalf.


Vermeulen had an iffy game - too many penalties conceeded and too many poor decisions.


Lood de Jage was brilliant when he was on the field of play - pity he was injured early - he was by some distance the best tight 5 SA player on display.


Victor Mattfield - the Wallabies played the fool with him - he definitely is below par at this stage.


    

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sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
19 Apr 2014, 23:34
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19 Apr 2014, 23:34#2
The Bone Crusher "Alberts" did his best tackle of the season. It was so physical the player had to leave the field.  Unfortunately it was the captain of his own team that had to leave the field
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2014, 00:28
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20 Apr 2014, 00:28#3
"  Frans Steyn's experience is what kept the Sharks from imploding, while his kicking boot kept them ahead on the scoreboard. However, our award goes to the Sharks' tight forwards - Stephan Lewies, Willem Alberts, Jannie du Plessis, Bismarck du Plessis and Tendai Mtawarira - who that sapped the Cheetahs' energy - especially in the scrums"
That's what the real rugby guys at 365 think OOm....Swiel has pace but is way not ready for this level.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Apr 2014, 01:02
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20 Apr 2014, 01:02#4
 Sweil must be given cameo roles. He is a big talent. 
I think if Coenie, Lood, Van der Walt and Labuschagne had been available they may have beaten the Sharks.

Sharks are far fom coinvincing. 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2014, 01:13
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20 Apr 2014, 01:13#5
If they start him in NZ I see another Gaffie scenario....he needs another year.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Apr 2014, 03:29
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20 Apr 2014, 03:29#6
Mozart
 Another quote from a journalist - can't you open your own eye and see what was going on.   Steyn was his normal self -  too dead slow to keep up with the game - no involvement in anything.
No team can play with 14 players and a "presence" making zero contribution to anything bar goalkicking.   What a farce.    

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2014, 07:26
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20 Apr 2014, 07:26#7
Anybody who thinks the kid(Swiel) was more important to the Sharks than Fransie needs their head read. His defence looks even more flimsy than Goosen. And here is another one you got wrong:

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Apr 2014, 08:34
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20 Apr 2014, 08:34#8
Mozart
What a bloody idiot you are quoting raw stats to support your flimsy bullshit without any evaluation.   Lets have a look again at De Jongh.   He got the  ball 12 times and tried to run with it 10 times for a average gain of 3,8 meters per category.  But the answer is not that.  On two occasions there was an overlap situation where the dim prick should have passed the ball - but he did not and a definite try was not scored.
There were also two occasions where the opposing center just ran past him and he did not even attempt a tackle.   And as per normal he lost possession of the ball once and gave away a penalty for hanging onto the ball.   A real bullshit performance. 
On what do you base your assessment of Swiel's defence?  Stats?  if that is the core of your statement - would you please look at the stats when Steyn was playing at flyhalf as well - or as center for that matter.   Nobody playing at flyhalf or center has worse tackle stats than Steyn.  He played at flyhalf against the Lions in Johannesburg - please explain away that one.     
Next time you try and use stats without using it in the case of your precious Francois Steyn - I am going to call your bluff and challenge you to reproduce the Steyn stats for the series thus far and explain why his performance was despite the bullshit stats record so good.   I am waiting for that joke with great pleasure - another case of Bullshitting Bertie coming up.       


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2014, 09:19
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20 Apr 2014, 09:19#9
 Well de Jongh was the only SA centre with two clean breaks, and he made a fine recovery of a kick ahead  up the right touchline. He missed one tackle that he should have made...and botched no tries...a typical OOm lie. It wasn't his best performance, but it was as good as any  SA centre on the day. So to describe it as a " real bullshit performance" shows bias.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Apr 2014, 10:56
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20 Apr 2014, 10:56#10
Mozart 
There no  lie here - De Jongh hung onto two balls that he should have passed when he hung onto balls with two players outside of him in the Lions 22 - an old fault of his. He rarely passes balls and if he does so it is often enough inaccurate.  And he went down from his previous performances back to what he was last year.   He hung onto two many balls and as tackled with them - so that shows real poor reading of the game.
One player I did not mention is Taute - he did have a better performance yesterday than he had in the past.   He has a long way to go. but unlike De Jongh - whose performance was poorer than in his previous two games  and Steyn who continues to show no progress in anything bar kicking at goal - he at least showed some substantial improvement on his previous efforts.     
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