I did bring into discussion before how many underrated players there really is in SA including players in Super 15, but one player that comes to mind is possibly the most underrated player, it is the phenomenal Hooker Schalk Brits. I regard Bismarck as a worthy Springbok starting player although I can not deny that Schalk Brits should've have more springbok caps during the past 10 years. It is beyond me that one of the most influential all around hookers hasn't been given as much caps for the springboks as he deserves.
What a player.
SA's most underrated player in the past decade?
My idea of an underrated player is Jean Deysel. He's almost the opposite of Schalk Brits in that he was plenty big and strong enough for test rugby but perhaps he didn't have the pace or the skills. Personally I don't think he was given enough of a chance at test level to prove himself and I suppose you could say the same for Schalk Brits because they both got very limited chances in the green and gold but . . . but of the two, I'd have been more inclined to persevere with Deysel who I think could have been our next Andre Venter . . . to my mind another very underrated player . . . if you can be considered "underrated" with 66 caps to your name!
Agreed on Brits being underrated, but sadly he was always going to be behind John Smit, Bismark and Strauss for they are/were simply just better players.
If you were choosing a squad with 3 hookers in it, Brits would always have been my 3rd choice - he just adds a whole new dimension and would have always been the perfect sub player off the bench against the lesser sides like Scotland etc.
Never physical enough to start a test, but a great player to have coming off the bench.
Rooi, agree on Deysel as well, your perfect blindside flanker - pure physicality
Yes agreed on Brussouw - its pathetic how Meyer has ignored this guy........the man is very short sighted.
Brussouw is far better than Louw, who lets face it, is not really a 6, much like Schalk never was
test match and make a impact on or off the bench. He's got more
than just physicality as a hooker, its the other abilities that
he's got which is great, its is not seen very often from a hooker.
Bismarck isn't much of a all around player as Brits, having
said that I'd rather start Brits a few years back but in the current
setup I'd prefer Bismarck to start due to Brits age and other
factors. Nonetheless there's no doubt that Brits is underrated.
Deysel is underrated too as well as Nizaam Carr and others.
Lets hope they don't get overlooked by springbok coaches
like Brits was.
My Aunt met him last weekend, lovely chap, she said......and all this from an English woman
Everybody loves him over here in England. Even those that don't like Saracens.
Nope....none of these guys were underrated.
Firstly Schalk Brits is not powerful enough for the tasks a hooker has to perform in test rugby. The wide open spaces are not going to magically appear against RC opposition. Szarzewski is a very similar player, fantastic with the ball , but ownable in the tight stuff.
Secondly Deysel is unfortunately too unskilled....very similar to Potgieter. One fool on this string actually wanted to replace Juan Smith with this ox, who can't even keep a Sharks starting berth. As we saw on Saturday he can be effective, but as we also saw often his bullocking runs result in a lost ball.
And finally Brussouw , while a superman, simply couldn't compete against the best bigger men. Pocock and Warburton owned him at the RWC.
I'm afraid, contrary to the usual BS the national coaches find all the test qualified players and give them ample opportunities. I can't think of one great ignored player who would have made a difference at test level.
Barely any difference.
Weasel bull shitting again? Forgotten all about the injury he had before the RWC 2011 and the Bryce Lawrence escapade. Have a read of this.
"20 June 2009 : South Africa vs British and Irish Lions I: Heinrich Brüssow replaces injured Schalk Burger in the starting line-up. His ball-stealing and recovering skills proved too much for the Lions. When he was replaced in the second half, the Lions managed to fight back, but not enough to win the game. Scored a try from the back of a maul and was outstanding as they went on to secure a 2–1 series victory.
27 June 2009 : South Africa vs Lions II: Brüssow came on in the 62nd minute and effected a few crucial turn-overs helping seal the 28–25 victory for the South Africans.
25 July 2009 : South Africa vs All Blacks I: Although being targeted, Brüssow battled competently against Richie McCaw, who is widely considered the best open-side flanker in the world. He made a number of crucial turn-overs and tackles. He was named Man-of-the-Match in the 28–19 victory.
1 August 2009 : South Africa vs All Blacks II: Continuing to build on his reputation, Brüssow again managed to compete with the All Black captain Richie McCaw at the breakdown. He once again made a number of crucial turnovers, tackles and powerful runs as the Boks won 31–19.
8 August 2009 : South Africa vs Wallabies I: Brüssow was once again in outstanding form for the Springboks as his ruck work, brutal hits and ball-carrying led South Africa to victory over Australia. His opposite number George Smith, also considered one of the best in world rugby, could not cut it with Brüssow, and his frustration led to a yellow card.
13 November 2009 : South Africa vs France: It was a grey evening for the men in green, as they were out-muscled by France 20–13. Brüssow, though, stood up and kept the Springboks in the match with several vital turnovers and tackles. Even though it was a defeat, the match in Toulouse was considered Brüssow's best in a test jersey up to that stage, and was named SA Rugby young player of the year.
9 October 2011: After South Africa progress to the quarter finals of the Rugby World Cup they lose 11–9 in Wellington to be knocked out of the competition."
Summary = 20 caps, 1 try and two (Known/stated) Man of the Match awards. As well as a Tri-nations Championship win, British and Irish Lions series win and whitewash over the All Blacks. Also take note of him outplaying Richie McCaw and George Smith.
Os never played in the Lions test...when Os played against the Lions he was a youngster. Up your game.
I just wonder when Warburton ever dominated Brussouw, this is the usual rubbish we have to put up with - what utter junk.
Much like Pocock ever owing him
The best openside flankers in the game are the smaller ones like Brussouw, Pocock, Smith, Hooper, Dusseltou etc
10:43
It's all Wales at the moment - and the crowd know it. The Welsh are really dominating at the breakdown, with Sam Warburton leading by example. They've just earned themselves another penalty, which Priestland punts into touch to put his side into an excellent attacking positon. The penalty count now reads 9-3 in Wales' favour.
The continued omission of Brussow is one of Heynecke Meyer's big blunders in my opinion . . . especially when one considers how bog ordinary Francois Louw has been. I'd take Brussow over Louw in a heartbeat.
Spot on call Rooi........if Moffie dislikes a player (mainly because I rate them), you know he is good, if he is pro one you know he is either shit or long past it.
Moffie has to be the worst player analyst I have ever come across and I mean that sincerely.
But without his ignorant views on players, this board would be dead.
Long live the old man
Brussouw and Coetzee over Louw anyday.....its not even a close call
Shezza
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July 22, 2014, 11:46:45 So did all the other fetchers? He wasn't just a fetcher, the amount of work he puts in every match is fantastic and his link up play is superb, best looseforward in SA by a country mile.
Correct, but with his low centre of gravity, and upper body strength, he exploited it the best at the time. The changes in the policing of the law and, of course, his injury at that stage, took him out of the equation for quite some time. Because of his injury he was, in a way, disadvantaged to adapt to the new way that they policed the law. He was out of action at the time when other fetchers had the opportunity to get used to the new ways.
That is pure rhetoric... The same thing everyone was screaming, when his statistics indicated in terms of specifically tackles and turn-overs that he was probably the 7th best loose-forward a while back.
Just like on here believe the following players are all test class:
- Coenie
- Strauss
- Nyakane
- Lood
- Brussouw
- Labuscagne
- Pretorius
- Goosen
- Hendricks
- Willie le Roux
While a few of them may in fact be test level players, the Cheetahs finished 14th out of 15 possible at provincial level... Chucking those players into a Bok team to face the All Blacks w ould be idiotic...
While what they do "look nice", it is ineffective and leads to the team losing A LOT!
So, we are going to become number 1 in the world, by playing most of the team that ended up as number 14 out of 15 in a regional tournament?
Think again!
The Troof are we meant to take your ignorant list as gospel......one would swear you had some rugby credibility on here and that we are to believe you that a class player like Willie is not test class........fuck me how ignorant and stupid are you?
Stick to knitting or something - geez man
"While a few of them may in fact be test level players, the Cheetahs finished 14th out of 15 possible at provincial level..."
You fucking retarded fool!
Just think what a wonderful backline the Bulls will have have f they even try.
Don't know why I make these remarks - it will go straight over your head,
DbDraad
Status: Bok regular
Posts: 840 RE: SA's most underrated player in the past decade?
July 22, 2014, 17:54:43 Just BTW, Mozart gets ridiculed as a rugby ignoramus for his rugby views, but strangly it more or less concurs with those of the current coach and of his 2 predecessors. I don't always agree with Moz, but he is mostly spot on with his assesments of new players blooded. I might also note that he has changed his mind about players he did not previously rate. Note to Mike and some other Fantasy rugby players: Coaches use more stats than those used by the creators of these fantasy leagues. There are a bit more to rugby than the simplistic application of stats.
More important, Draad, is that those stats are weighted values. "Someone" has decided what the allocated points for certain data elements are supposed to be.
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