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SA vs Oz - ODI 1

Started by Chippo20 REPLIES288 VIEWS· 14 Nov 2014, 12:35
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Chippo
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ChippoPro3,372 posts
14 Nov 2014, 12:35
#1
14 Nov 2014, 12:35#1
Aus 300/8

SA 194/4

SA giving it a good go with Miller and de Villiers putting on a 100 run partnership.

Could be a good finish.


DA
Devil's Advocate
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14 Nov 2014, 12:53
#2
14 Nov 2014, 12:53#2

I hope so Chippo

 

But they just snagged Miller and Philander in two balls, 205/6

 

Still 96 off 12.4 overs..... certainly is in reach

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Chippo
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14 Nov 2014, 13:01
#3
14 Nov 2014, 13:01#3
208/7

fuck
DA
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14 Nov 2014, 13:07
#4
14 Nov 2014, 13:07#4

Steyn needs to help AB here, if he keeps the rotation going, we could still do this

 

215/7

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DbDraad
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Nov 2014, 13:22
#5
14 Nov 2014, 13:22#5
 Oops, double nelson for 9!
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14 Nov 2014, 13:25
#6
14 Nov 2014, 13:25#6
Yep, should be game  
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Denny
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
14 Nov 2014, 13:52
#7
14 Nov 2014, 13:52#7
Poor selections, poor batting and poor fielding.....seriously now, with that sort of effort did we expect to beat the average Oz.!?
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Chippo
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ChippoPro3,372 posts
14 Nov 2014, 14:18
#8
14 Nov 2014, 14:18#8
 poor coach, poor manager, poor supporters, poor transport, poor hotel, poor food, poor diet, poor psychologist.... blah blah blah

fuck sakes man. we had a bad game. thats about it.

We can't win every game
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14 Nov 2014, 14:28
#9
14 Nov 2014, 14:28#9

We had a bad game yes, and we can't win every one, I agree

 

But what I hate to see is the following, after ever game we lose, it's the same old kak

 

**  We will learn from this loss

**  We didn't do well in all three departments

**  We will improve with this team of players

**  Our bowling was good but not consistent

**  We lost wickets at the wrong time

**  We will learn from this loss

**  We must fix our mistakes before the next game

**  There was a bit of confusion with that run out, will work on it

**  Very dissapointing

**  We will learn from this loss 

 

Sorry, but it's the same thing every time we lose, how much more can certain players learn from losses when you have played so many games

 

I will still back SA no matter what, but stop with the excuses, just outplay the Aussies.... simple

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clevermike
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Nov 2014, 15:06
#10
14 Nov 2014, 15:06#10
 Catches win matchs - four msised catches - 2 actual sitters and that Assie score would have been consi derably less.  They could have saved at least 60 runs of the catch was taken.   
And what did Behardien do in the Protea side?  Idiocy loses matches.   If they want an All rounder in - there were enough others in the game.    
De Kock must still learn one thing - play  yourself in before you start hitting out.       
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Denny
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Nov 2014, 01:19
#11
15 Nov 2014, 01:19#11
Mitchell Johnson is world class, take him out of the Oz attack and then well see what an average attack they have, and that is what makes the loss so hard to swallow. Potentially they have some good batters and have far more depth in their batting than the Proteas but with good selection we could eliminate  the problem. For starters McLaren has to go and why would Tahir be selected to bowl on a cement track?....that is just dumb.
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Denny
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Nov 2014, 01:46
#12
15 Nov 2014, 01:46#12

Chippo


The below from Supersport..


 SA skipper De Villiers pulled no punches when asked to evaluate his team’s performance after the game.

“We didn’t get it right in all three departments today. Poor fielding, our bowling was good at times but not consistent and the batting we lost too many wickets at the wrong time which cost us,” said De Villiers.

“We have been playing some consistent cricket lately so it was very disappointing but we have Sunday to look forward to now to try and get those mistakes right,” he added.

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15 Nov 2014, 07:09
#13
15 Nov 2014, 07:09#13
De Kock  wasn't  hitting out for heavens sake....he was pushing at the ball. You are right Denny, Oz without Johnson are a different team. 
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Denny
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15 Nov 2014, 07:30
#14
15 Nov 2014, 07:30#14
 Moz, my view of Quentin is that he has great hand eye co-ordination, he reminds me of Herschelle Gibbs and like Gibbs he lacks good footwork, if you look at the shot which caused his dismissal his feet were going east while the body distanced itself by going west. It also seems that he has a bit of Smithy's grip with the face of the bat facing inward. It's going to be interesting to see how he goes tomorrow on the same pitch, my guess is that he'll struggle on fast pitches facing Johnson's pace.
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clevermike
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Nov 2014, 08:13
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15 Nov 2014, 08:13#15
 Mozart as per normal is talking utter tripe.  DE Kock was not playing defensively when he was caught behind - he was not trying to block the ball.   the bat was coming trhough to quickly for that.
Denny is correct.   He has a slight deficiency insofar as the playing of te ball early in his innings is concerned.   He normally gets better the longer he bats.   with batting average batting average of 45 per innings in matches he played in - he is a good batter and will get better.   
There is a differece between his batting and that of Graeme Smith.  I have never seen him getting LBW in any games he played in - Smth was a regular in that.    DE Kock - when he gets out early - he is is normally caught behind the wicket by the keeper or even in the slips.  
Insofar as the issue of th team is concerned - I hink AB is absolutely correct.   For Perth it was thw wrong team that was fielded.   I would say the better team would have been the one I ondicated previously.  THat would mean no McClaren and including De Lange or Abbott - leaving out Behardien and playing Rossouw.   Our top order rarely fails totally - like happened yesterday.
With a bowling line-up like the flllowing - the Aussies would not have made 300 runs:-
Filander, Steyn, Abbott/De Lange, Morkel and Tahir. 
They could still have won yesterday if those four missed catches of Bailley did not happen.   Baille y was missed at less than 10 runs in successive overs by both Miller and Tahir - both relatively easy catches - that should have been taken.  If he went out then - I would say the Aussies would have struggled to make 240 runs in their innings.       
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Denny
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Nov 2014, 08:27
#16
15 Nov 2014, 08:27#16

"There is a differece between his batting and that of Graeme Smith"
This is where things go wonky, no-way did I compare De Kock's batting with Smith, read my post again, I'm saying he has a tendency to hold the face of his bat facing inward, not as bad as Smithy but not good either in the same way.
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Denny
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Nov 2014, 08:28
#17
15 Nov 2014, 08:28#17
 And Oh Mike, why on earth would you pick a spinner on the fastest track in the world?
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Pakie
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
15 Nov 2014, 08:41
#18
15 Nov 2014, 08:41#18
De Kock was looking to drive on the up but seemed to change his mind midway and ended up playing a nothing shot. If he connected in the middle of the bat the ball would probably have plopped straight back into the bowler's hands. Both he and Amla went out to poor shots.
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clevermike
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Nov 2014, 09:07
#19
15 Nov 2014, 09:07#19
 Tahir did not do to badly - but maybe they should have picked only the five fast bowlers mentioned - plus six batters.   Lets see what happens tomorrow.
By the way - I would not have picked any all-rounder for Perth - neither McLaren - nor Parnell.    
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clevermike
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Nov 2014, 09:13
#20
15 Nov 2014, 09:13#20
 Pakie
Amla is a bit of a problem early on in his innings in ODI's - he can go out early (like you said with a sily shot) and if not his rpo is normally very low in the first ten overs or so.   Thereafter he picks up a much higher tempo of batting.    
De Kock normally tries to hard to bat at an average of 6 rpo early on - to compensate for the low rpo of Amla.   If De Kock gets past the first four or five overs - he goes on to score big at a very fast rpo rate.   Probably play on orders - as much was implied by De Villiers  in previous remarks.       
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Denny
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
16 Nov 2014, 04:34
#21
16 Nov 2014, 04:34#21

Mike once again you're talking kak about Amla's slow batting and De Kock having to speed up his own to make up for it.....get a grip man! 


De Kock got out because he played a poor shot,as I've pointed out, he reached for the ball, now if he had a bit of maturity he'd realize a different approach in playing arguably one of the best fast bowlers currently going around.

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