I see the chappie you dissed, Philander, the chappie you said should never have been selected as a Protea, remember? Hmmm....well, today he landed another handful of eggs(5 to be exact) right in the middle of your most royal arrogant face...... just wondering, how it feels?
ps Here's my prediction.....he's going to land a few more....and then some! If i were you I'd invest in a good scraper.
"Saff-Strontdamus"? You know, I don't think I could come up with anything as lame as that if I really put my mind to it.
I'm asking nicely on behalf of all the posters here, please don't try to come up with funny or clever names in future, just stick to the posters name.
Seriously Dense, I've heard "knock-knock" jokes that were funnier than "Saff-Strontdamus".
FAIL!!!!!!!!!!
Hahaha the poster who gave us a series of kung fu kittens is lecturing on appropriate material for a rugby site. Hey kung fu, maybe one of those kittens would suit you better than the fruit you have assumed as your identity. Or perhaps the fruit is code?
This was written about Philander today:
"He lulled a somewhat naïve New Zealand's batting line-up into error, killing with kindness, a technician at the height of his game. It took South Africa a long time to recognise his subtle talents and he is making up for lost time"
You see denny his talents were "subtle". Not surprising then that they escaped the "powers" of Nostrontdamus!
Looks like someone either missed the point or is pretending to have missed the point.
It wasn't kung-fu kitten, Moffie, it was Pwned kitten.
PWNED!!!
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
No it was a series of kung fu kittens you thought were so cool, you posted them on a rugby site. But you never really told us which one was your special favourite.
Here kitty.....haaahahahaha. Pathetic Sick-ou.
Hmmm . . . I think my favourite was the one with the fat fingers!
ROTFLMAO!!!!!
Oh dear, more primary school humour. Here kitty, kitty , kitty.....Sick- Immature-Ou
Look here Denise you stupid prick, I conceded I was wrong about Philander ages ago but you are not man enough to admit that now are you?
Knock knock.
Who's there?
Little Boy Blue.
Little boy blue who?
Michael Jackson.
:)
I think "wrong" doesn't quite capture it. This was a career miss....give up on the predictions is my advice.
Nope my predition for 2012 with Etzebeth was spot on, as it will be with Steph du Toit.
I got Philander wrong, so bloody what, at least I had the balls to admit it unlike the pathetic Denise who would never be drawn into conceding this very fact, for he is a wimp with no substance, much like you are with your calls on the selections I make - you just lie through your teeth - Greyling for instance
Man up man
So let's hear you admit that Taute is not a centre.......something the player himself, Bok fans, the national coach and the Stormers coach have accepted.
Bullshit of course he is a centre you twit, he has played centre more than he has fullback. The player has NEVER said he is not a centre, thats a lie, which Bok fans say he is not a centre - you?, the National coach has NEVER said he is not a centre and centre is the only position the National coach has selected him - FACT, when did the Stormers coach say he was not a centre? Moffie you just keep lying.
Taute was by far our best Bok outside centre this year, certainly better than Jean and de Jongh.
Taute is equally at home at centre or fullback, it does not take a genius to work out that he should stick to 13, given we have Goosen at 10 and therefore Lambie should play 15. If your cant work that out, chuck in the towel
That's why nobody accepts your admissions.....greaseball.
Kindly point out where Taute has said he is not a centre or where the national coach has said as much - your problem is that you lie through your teeth.
No-one on here would say that Jean or de Jongh were better at 13 for the Boks than Taute was last year - unless of course they were completely stupid, or are your lapdog Denise
Keep lying Moffie its your way.
Funny that if the national coach thought Taute was not a centre, then why the f would he select him there and never have selected him as a 15 - who's the idiot here?
Who's the idiot? Well I'd say the plank that couldn't grasp this bit of simple English is the idiot:
"Springbok centre Jaco Taute has indicated that he would like to play full-back for the Stormers in next year's Super Rugby tournament.
Taute, who will be on loan at the Stormers from the Lions, said although he has no qualms about playing centre, his primary aim was to be considered for the Stormers at full-back.
'I don't have a fixed position, but would really like to be considered at full-back,' he told Die Burger newspaper."
"Saff-Strontdamus"? You know, I don't think I could come up with anything as lame as that if I really put my mind to it.
I'm asking nicely on behalf of all the posters here, please don't try to come up with funny or clever names in future, just stick to the posters name.
Seriously Dense, I've heard "knock-knock" jokes that were funnier than "Saff-Strontdamus".
FAIL!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, the irony!
Thats bullshit Moffie, he never said that, he in fact said he would like to be considered at fullback and went on to specify why. His reasoning was that he saw fullback as his only realistic chance of making the Stormers starting 15 as he did not want to warm the bench. With Jean and de Jongh as incumbents at the Stormers, he saw little chance of a starting spot at centre. Poor call by the player himself as he is a better centre than both, but probably being realistic in terms of how stupid Coetzee would see it.
While on the topic though are you stupid enough to conclude from all of this that Taute himself says he is not a centre - what utter crap
Saffex
Once more - qhwew do yoiu get the myth from that "he (Taute) has played centre more than he has fullback". You yourself said that he played at flyhalf and center at school - he himself said that as well. He then wnet on and played at center 10 games in the Under 10 WC
After he left school he played at center for the following teams;-
Under 20 WC - 10 games
Lions 3 games
Springboks 3 games
That makes a total of 16 GAMES - not so
He played at full back for the Lions for 60 games since 2009.
SINCE WHEN IS `16 MORE THAN 60?
I would like to remind you that Taaute played for the LIONS. During the period from 2009 to early 2012 the Lions center combination was Doppies La Grange and Hollenbach - and he was moved to center only after those two were not available as a result of injury.
In the process he scored 109 points for the Lions whilst playing at full bak - and ZERO points while playing at center.
What Mozart said about Taute's statement is `100% correct and I am not surprized that with due regard to his performances since 2009 - that he prefers to play at full back - the position that he performed brilliantly in -ad not at center where he was not up to a similar standard.
One other question - he is a Springbok center - so why would he not get plying time for the Stormers at center? That assumption on your part is really not logical.
Let me put ti bluntly - as a result of injury to the Lions centers early in 2012 - Taute was asked by the Lions coach to play at center - which is in fact not the position he normally plays in. He was and is a top class full back and a mediocre center - why do you flatly refuse to recognise that fact?
Crap your stats are complete bullshit, Taute has played many more games for the Lions at centre and played there at school and for the Baby Boks for two seasons.
As for him moving to centre for the Lions because of injury to the centres - what complete rubbish, where did you suck that crap from. The Lions centres were Hollenbach, Doppies and Murray.......with the impressive young Coetzee as their fullback. Taute moved to centre as he was a better option, but the sadly got injured.
Taute has played most of his significant rugby at centre - Bok U20, Lions S15 and for the Boks................a whole lot of games for the Lions at fullback in the CC counts for nothing.
But ultimatey my point is that Taute is both a centre and a fullback, but for the Boks is needed at centre - why is that? BECAUSE WE HAVE GOOSEN AT 10 AND THEREFORE LAMBIE AT 15 - GET IT?????? I SUSPECT NOT - your stupid option would be to have Taute at 15 and Lambie wasted on the bench - that is about as bright as Meyer selecting Steenkamp and CJ or moving Hougaard away from 9. You are all as stupid as the next man but hey at least you have the equally stupid Meyer on your side.
Whats the bet he calls Bakkies, Fourie, du Preez and Schalk into the equation this year
There is that big enough for you to see Sapp?
Saffex
It is a lot of work - but you can study thre Lions team sheets sinces 2009 and you will find that he played at full back forthem until they were forced as a result of injury to play him at center in April 2012. I watched a lot of Lions games - both on CC level and on Super 15 level - and in all - but the three games he played at center in 2012 - NEVER once saw him as playing at center.
The stats you regard as bullshit is correct - but since it does not fit your arguments - you rubbish them and come up with your own generalized assumption. That I would call utter bullshit of the first order.
As to your selection criteria - it really is a joke and I said so before. Get real and please accept that Taute shall play at full back for the Stormers and not at center. Meyer will only in future consider him for selection at full back - not at center.
ONe thing snapster is right about is that Taute can play both positions. The question he poses is where do we need him more.
That question for 2013 is easy to answer. We need him at flyhalf as Goosen is still this year only under 21 and we cannot afford to rush this superb talent and risk injury as a consequence. Hence for 2013 Lambie is our number 1 flyhalf with Morne, jantjes and Katrakills in the picture.
How about when Goosen comes on stream say in 2014. Well that becomes a little more difficult. Who are our fullback options then. Kirchner has been solid but not great and will be about 30 by 2014. That leaves Taute and who else? Mike is punting Sweil. Well maybe but he is very young and has a lot to prove although the signs are very encouraging. What is certain is that Taute is needed at fullback. We have a host of centers coming through but few class fullbacks. (Frans, Allende, Jordaan. Jan Serfontein, Howard, Du Plessis, Sadie, Small Smith, etc - JJ Engelbrecht looks like a wing to me )
Also given the huge amount of rugby played and the risk of injury and most especially the vital importance of the flyhalf position etc it is adviseable for any country to have two top notch flyhalves. Having Lambie and Goosen as our two flyhalves is just what we need.
All this is of course academic now. The die is cast at least for 2013 and the correct course has been set for a change - Lambie will be at flyhalf for the Sharks - his best position and Taute at fullback for the Mighty Stormers - also his best position. Meyer will not pick either player out of position.
Saffex is correct about Taute being able to play center but it is not in my view where he is needed most.
Centers to watch out for this year include Frans, Jordaan and Allende. Along with the evergreen Jean these 4 are looking to be the most likely Bok centers. However nothing is cast in stone and the Super 15 will do us the favour of showing who is ready and who is not.
What I am hoping for is a vast improvement in player management. NEVER again should a player like Jannie have to play 35 matches in a row!!!!!! How daft can one get. Playing guys into the ground benefits no one and ruins what chances the Boks have via inevitable injury and fatigue - this is a HUGE issue. Nz has the wood on us re player management.
Rubbish, Goosen will walk straight into the Bok side and rightly so, age has nothing to do with it. With Goosen at 10, that leaves Lambie for fullback and therefore Taute as an option at 13 - its that simple
Saffex
Just try and think for a change - I knoww it is desperately difficult for you. Lambie will play the whole of Super 15 at flyhalf for the Sharks and Taute will similarly play at full back for the Stormers. Do you really think that Meyer will totally ignore their form in the relevant positions and move Lambie and Taute to different positions than those they have played in? You really must be living on cloud 9 and believe in the tooth fairy if you think that would happen.
Anyway - your suggested selections would entail downgrading the two players performances. Especially Taute at center will not be on the same level as his performances at full back. - so dream on. Do you really want to destroy Taute's career propspects?
And then Goosen has a nervous breakdown....Lambie has to go to flyhalf.....Taute has to go to fullback.....Jp has to go to 13.....Hougaard has to go to 11.....Pienaar has to come off the bench. But the backline plays seemlessly on?
Linked selections are the stuff of playground planning.
Players should play and compete in their best positions. Taute will never make it as a test centre, maybe he has a shot at fullback. If we are lucky enough to have two quality players competing for one position, that will make both better and cover the inevitable injuries.
What you stupid clowns need to do is wake up to the fact that selections are made based on the now and not what might happen if player A or B gets injured - what a pathetic short sighted approach that would be.
The idea is to select your best 15, if one or two players get injured along the way then you adapt and if that means untility players like Taute, Lambie and Frans end up playing our of their regular position now and again then so be it.
Any coach with substance would realise that if he is to select his best side then both Goosen and Lambie should be in the starting 15, its that simple. Goosen is the obvious choice at 10, therefore Lambie has to play 15, with Taute competing for 13.
One would swear by the way you clowns carry on that Lambie had never played fullback before or that Taute had never played centre. Fact is Lambie is probably better at fullback than he is at flyhalf and the same can be said of Taute at centre over fullback. Its complete and utter bullshit that Taute will not make it as a test centre, he has already proved in 2012 that he was our best test 13.
As for the fact that Lambie may play 10 for the Sharks, so bloody what, if I need him at 15 for the Boks, thats where I'd select him. Besides given these players diversity chances are they will find themselves in various positions throughout the duration of the S15.
I just cant believe people are stupid enough to want to have a player like Lambie wasted on the bench
Saffex
Nobody said that Taute never played at center. Since 2009 he did play 6 full games at center. How anyone can imagine his performance at center was better than at full back is delusional - he was a brilliant full back and a mediocre center. In the six games he did nothing of note - in the 59 games at full back he at least secured 109 points for the Lions on CC and Super 15 level.
In your imagonation he may have had good games at center - in reality he was slightly below par in the Pretoria test compared to the other backline players, in the Soweto test he definitely was poor and in the Irish test he was just about average. His worst rugby performances was while he played at center - so I ask again - why do you want to damage this good player's career prospects in a position he definitely did not shine?
Mike get this into your stupid head - Taute has played many games at centre, is equally comfortable at centre or fullback and has ALWAYS been good when he has played 13 and thats why he found himself in the Bok side straight from an injury layoff - get it.
He was by far our best test 13 in 2012 and that is where we need him to play this year for the simple reason that Goosen will be our 10 and Lambie will be our 15. If you cant work that out you are too bloody stupid to debate with, for only a complete bloody rugby ignoramus would choose to leave Lambie on the bench.
Answer me this wise man, where would you play Lambie if you were selecting a Bok side tomorrow and all players were fit - take your time
Saffex
I will play Goosen and Lambie alternatively as flyhalfs - when one is starting - the other one would be on the bench and get ample playing time. Then we get the best out of both of them - we have ample players that can play at full back - Taute is the leading one - but there are others as well - and I would not waste Taute at center where his performances were way poorer than when he plays in his usual position as full back.
Get it into your thick skull - the Taute experiment at center failed and will not be repeated. As for Taute being the best 13 this ywar - he never was that and whether you like it or not De Villioers - even half-boiled at 13 - was better than Taute. Go and watch the games again and you would found that out as well - that is if you do not watch games with blinkers.
The best 13 on Super 15 level last year was in fact Jordaan - by the proverbial mile - but then he is too small for your liking stupedo. I am sick and tired hearing about Taute's magnficent pperformances when he was average in one of the three games - under-boiled in the other and seriously defective in the Soweto test.
Mike I know you are stupid and you have just confirmed that. Imagine a coach alternating between flyhalves, your pivotal position, never letting one of them settle - that about sums up how stupid you are but hey ho, I expected no less.
You have further confirmed that by your pathetic statement saying Jean at 13 was better than Taute - that is the biggest load of shit I have read in ages. Jean was pathetic at 13, all he achieved was sideways running crabbing his wings into touch or just dying with the ball when he tried to go on his own.
Well done for making that statement, for you have well and truely shot yourself in that stupid foot of yours. Jean better than Taute at 13 bwhaaahaaaaaa!!!!!
Taute was our best Bok 13 in 2012, he was great against Oz and Ireland, pretty average against NZ, but then so were Jean and Habana and most of our Boks that second half. I'll put my house on the fact that Taute will play 13 again.
You know nothing about rugby - confirmed by alternating your most important position on the field and in the process wasting one of Lambie or Goosen on the bench and depriving your side of stability in your pivotal position.
Mike its a good thing you are only a foolish spectator, for selector and coach would be a bridge far to stretched for you. I have read some shit in my time but alternating your flyhalf takes the cake - its worse than Beenkops take on Matfield or Moffies take on Fourie.
And Mike I am sick and tired of reading your uninformed crap - you are bloody clueless. I dont need to watch any game again to know that Taute was great against Oz and good against Ireland, where Meyer said he had his best game for the Boks - but you are too stupid to pick up on this as you are with regards to what test 13's are able to do. You are stuck in a time warp thinking modern day test 13 can still play like Danie Gerber - how stupid and out of touch are you.
Dont let me put you off posting though as I enjoy reading your posts for the commical element they provide. Alternating your flyhalves is now topping the list, closely followed by Jean being a better 13 than Taute in 2012........hip, hip hooray
Saffex
Have you any stats showing that Taute was better than De Villiers at 13 in 2012 - or on what illusionary statements are your assumption based? Please elaborate - I really enjoy it poking holes in illusions - since they normally are based on fantacy and not facts.
Taute will NOT play for the Srpingboks at center in future. He just is NOT a good enough center. He was brilliantfor the Lions at full back and in the 59 games he played in that position since 2009 he scored 109 points - in the three games he plauyed at center he scored ZERO points. Doies that tell you anything stupedo? If h is selected for the Springboks adain in 2013 it would be at full back.
The center positions in 2013 seems to be stteled between the under-performing Francois Steyn at 12 and De Villiers st 13. If Steyn does not buck up considerably he may be replaced by De Allende or by moving De Villiers to 12 and playing Jordaan at 13. That is likely why Taute wants to concentrate his efforts in his best position - which by a maile is at full back.
As for using both Lambie and Goosen at flyhalf is not ridiculous at all - both are brainy players - with only slight differences in playing style and technique - alternating them is not a bad idea at all. It may be in your line of thinking which tries to state that our non-performing centers have no playing scope because of defence - that is when it fits your line of argument.
Like you wrote about Mozart - I will definitely rub your face in the sh!t in the case of Taute at full back.
Look here dumbass only a complete fool would try use stats to prove a point. Using stats against a man who knows the game is a little ignorant dont you think?
Let me explain the blatant obvious to you once again regarding stats. A player that say gains 70m in a match might look good on paper. Do those stats provide context hey wise man - do they tell you that maybe that 70m constituted said player being put into space and not having anyone in front of him during that 70m run.
Say a player makes 3 breaks in a match, do the stats provide context wise man? Do they indicate that said player stepped a prop or ran around a lock to make that break, huh?
Stats are for bloody girls, I dont need stats to tell me that Jean was piss poor at 13 for the Boks and that Taute was better - I rely on my eyes as true rugby men do. Stats dont interest me in the least when it comes to the actual game.
You cant hide behind stats when it comes to records etc, but they count for little in the context and heat of a match. Live and learn.
As for alternating your flyhalves, like I said its the worst call I have ever heard from a rugby supporter, in fact its pathetic and so out of touch I have to question if you actually know anything about the game
Saffex
Did you read what I said abooiut stats usage? I said over an extended period and a reasonable number of games stats can be used to indicate player performance tendencies. Definitely not stats in any one game.
However, what bothers you about stats is evident - stats of your favoured players over a series of test matches do show poor results as to stats - so it must be ignored. Once you give realisitxc and practical performnce description of players - we can discuss this issue again. Up to that time - I would realisticaklly look at actual performances of players and much rather believe thse stats saying for eample that Taute scored 109 points for the Lions at full back and zero at center - get it?
And I am telling you stats mean stuff all as they provide no context at all so I am not interested in match stats at all. All I need are my eyes and my rugby brain.........the same two that told me Taute was better than Jean at 13 by some distance - end of
Saffex
I agree with you in that case rather use yoiur eyes and brain to determine how a player performs. I used mine and saw that Taute did very little and made very little impression in games - whilst De Villiers at least had a hand in a number of tries scored by the Springboks. That makes a huge difference in assessment of players.
Your favoured players contributed nothing in the relevant regard - so lets leave it at that.
You clearly know stuff all and I suggest you get your eyes tested for if your eyes are telling you Jean was better at 13 than Taute then you must be bloody blind, nevermind sight impaired. If its not your eyes then its plain stupidity
Saffex
What did Taute do that I missed art looking at the games he played in at 13? I saw very little to write home about. So ;lets get some facts and not illusionary statements.
In the test against Oz he got the ball about 6 times if I recall. On three of those occassions he attacked his opposite number and beat him, it was impressive stuff. It showed good skill, something we did not see from Jean at all at 13.
The fact that Taute got stopped soon after those mini breaks is par for the course in modern test rugby, for the mini breaks he made were made in traffic and not in space, which made them that more impressive. They were not massive breaks that ripped Oz apart, but they showcased his skills.
His defence in the Oz test was brilliant.
His display against Oz was the best by a Bok 13 in 2012 by some distance.
