sharkbok
Captain23,294 posts
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
15 Aug 2014, 21:04#2
Clevermike,
are you saying that Andre Esterhuizen is going to be a flank now? He is a bit small for a number 7 flank.
He looks promising as a centre. Who is your source that he is going to continue in that position?
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2014, 21:10#3
Hahaha, what is it with Dave centres....especially Natal centres. Burden was a centre he picked as a future Bok. When he was switched to hooker the effect on Sapp was not unlike HM dropping JJ.
But this is OOm data....it sounds weird to me as well. What's your source OOmpie.
sharkbok
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sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
15 Aug 2014, 22:22#5
No specific mention of it being permanent within the article.
Gareth Miekel is the captain playing at inside centre , and the guy outside him is not going to be moved, so maybe they are just making a place for him at 7.
For SA rugby a number 7 needs to be allmost the same weight as a lock.
Why is Swiel pissing around playing in the under21 team. He won it with Western Province and I believe he was the highest points scorer in the tournament. That is done and dusted. He should be in the senior curry cup team, if not at 10 then at 15.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Aug 2014, 00:03#7
Although the article did not say he is going to remain at 7 - the commentator did say so during he match.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Aug 2014, 00:05#8
Mozart
I believe Burden went from WING TO HOOKER - not from center.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Aug 2014, 00:55#10
He played at center at school - but he played for the Sharks on the wing as far as I can remember. It was said in media reports at he time after he moved to hooker - that he was not speedy enough to play on the wing. After the switch he played for the Sharks as back up for Bismarck.
sharkbok
Captain23,294 posts
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
16 Aug 2014, 01:18#11
Full name Craig BurdenBorn May 13, 1985Current age 29 years 94 daysMajor teams Natal Sharks, Sharks, ToulonPosition Wing, HookerHeight 1.84 mWeight 100 kg
http://www.espn.co.uk/timeline/rugby/player/97966.html
I also seem to recall that he played wing. Maybe he played in both backline positions. He was a decent impact player of the bench at hooker, but he was piss poor as a tight forward. Could not scrum or throw the ball in the lineout.He should have tried to be an openside if he could have improved his fetching, or just tried his hand at centre if he had the skill
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Aug 2014, 07:01#13
Definitely played centre, perhaps wing as well...then er.....hooker.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Aug 2014, 07:21#14
Mozart
The only time Burden played at center was -
* when he was at school' and * in your imagination when he played for the Sharks
Even his ESPN profile states his position was wing and hooker - not a word about him playing at centrer
DEDenny
Captain12,893 posts
16 Aug 2014, 07:27#15
moz, as I recall we pointed out his defensive deficiences during the u21's WC....cause our boy Saffie knew otherwise and better.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Aug 2014, 07:56#16
Denny
I saw Esterhuizen playing two matches for the Sharks and thought he was very good. However in the JWC his ball handling and defense at times let him down - in the final he was poor and it let in one of the English side tries. I think that was the reason why he was shifted to loosie. His height and weight is what is very frequently found among loosies.
I think there is too much emphasis placed on size in respect of backline players and too little on ball skills and defensive capacity. That I believe is the case with Esterhuizen as well.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Aug 2014, 10:15#18
Denny
I have written in the past and still believe that vacjkine players are to be categorized as follows:-
* Bigger and heavier players with ball sense and ball skills;* Smaller players (normally above 90 kgs in weight) with ball sense and ball skills:* Bigger and heavier players with deficient ball sense and ball skills;* Smaller players (normally above 90 kgs in weight) with deficient ball sense and ball skills:
Insofar as Springbok selection is concerned - th first two categories are sufficient. You do not need players in the thrid and fourth category at all. That is why I am averse to support selection of players like Francois Steyn and JJ Engelbrecht in backlines.
Incidentally I have seen some really good space-making play from De Akkende and I think he will make the grade in the game today.
16 Aug 2014, 11:52#19
Smaller players above 90 kg. Interesting. I
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Aug 2014, 11:58#20
Ceramoron
What is so interesting about that - doffies?
