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Samoa will test the Boks

Started by Beeno111 REPLIES224 VIEWS· 19 Jun 2013, 13:54
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Jun 2013, 13:54
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19 Jun 2013, 13:54#1

Ex Supersport

Samoa will be a massive test for an evolving Springbok team, assistant coach Johan van Graan believes.

The Springboks will face up to the island nation in the final of the Castle Lager Incoming Series on Saturday and while they will start as favourites, Samoa’s form in scoring big victories over Italy and Scotland hasn’t gone unnoticed by the Bok management, who are preparing themselves for a tough, physical battle on Saturday.

There is no doubt the hard and fast fields have helped the Samoans, who boast both power and pace in their arsenal and have improved by leaps and bounds since the last time the two sides met in 2011.

They have all the attributes to test a big team, and if they get confidence and momentum early on, they will be a tough side to play.

But then again, the Boks normally enjoy fronting up to a physical challenge (Not with the pack that palyed against scotland please!). The Samoans of old have always come unstuck – bar the poorly-reffed 2011 encounter – because they have been a tad too concerned with the physical aspects of the game, and they have paid the price for going head to head with the Boks in the area the home side love to front up.

The Boks expect the biggest threat to come from the Samoans in their broken play, and at the breakdown where they have improved significantly – so much so that assistant coach Van Graan called it a real “battle” that awaits the Boks this weekend.

“We had a good look at them. Jack Lam is well known to all the players from his time at the Hurricanes. On your wide rucks they put a lot of pressure so I don’t think it will be a lot different. It will be a battle on Saturday,” Van Graan said.

“It isn’t about Samoa, it is about us and if we want to keep on improving, we want quicker ball. If any team in the world gets quick ball, attack looks brilliant, but if you get slower ball you are under pressure. It is about your ball-carriers dominating.

"Willem (Alberts) was good in Super Rugby and Arno (Botha) played well in the first test match and Siya's (Kolisi) ball carrying was good. Willem is one of our most effective carriers and is world class (Mike will be frothing at the mouth reading this!!). He is the type of guy you want on that advantage line and it will be a big fight on the advantage line this weekend.”

Van Graan also hinted that the Boks needed to be a lot more clever this weekend when they face the Samoans, and not just run everything at them. They need to be tactically astute to breaking down the Samoan defence.

“Maybe in the first 30 minutes against Scotland we played too much rugby and if you look at Samoa they played tactically very well. The Pisi brothers brought a lot of tactical awareness in their game. It may turn out to be a tactical battle and in this competition it is a final, so you may see finals rugby as well.

"It is about getting territorial dominance and as we saw this weekend that once you win the territorial battle, the referee favours the team with the territory.

It is about dominating field possession for us and it is about getting quick ball. We scored eight tries in the first two test matches and we want to continue scoring tries, but at the end of the day it is about winning test matches. We want to win every test match, whether it is by one point, 10 points or 20 points.”

While some may not see it, the Boks haven’t changed their approach at all this season, but have become a bit more astute at where they attack from. Once they secure quick possession, the rest will follow, but turnovers against the Samoans will be deadly.

“This team has grown and the plan the coaches have laid out is a great one in terms of it not mattering what conditions you face, but rather focusing on the decision-making process and getting territory. Once you win that tactical battle, like we did in the second half in Nelspruit, things got easier, we got the ascendancy and with two minutes to go, Jean made the decision to go for the touchline, which was a big call and Jan scored the try.

“There are a few big challenges that await us. Cencus Johnson is a world-class player and he has played with South Africans at Toulouse. They’ve got big ball-carrying forwards. They have a pretty simple plan but they execute it well.

We know in broken-field possession you don’t just have to watch their backs, their forwards are big units and they can carry the ball. Also all the players are playing overseas and they have gained a lot. They’re good at the breakdown and have good running lines. They can also stop a maul, so it will be a big test for us.”

The game, however, is the perfect end for the Castle Lager Incoming Series to test the Boks ahead of bigger challenges against New Zealand, Argentina and Australia

There is no doubt the Samoans are a much improved side. Meyer must pick the Beeno team and all should be well.

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polyboyClub Pro601 posts
19 Jun 2013, 15:28
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19 Jun 2013, 15:28#2
Second post where Beeno doesn't use "Fat" and "Samoa" in same sentence, hmm sign of nervousness about the upcoming test.
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
19 Jun 2013, 15:42
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19 Jun 2013, 15:42#3

The coach has selected poorly ... again.

 

The promised mix and match seems to have fallen by the wayside. Seems he doesn't have the required courage to be an international coach.

 

What happened to the targetted breakdown he was speaking of earlier?

 

These fat Samoans are gonna run over the likes of poor old De Jongh and if De Villiers plays, his sternum will be severly tested. Reckon that will be the last we see of him this season when one of these bacon butts target him for some special attention.

 

Starting to agree with Mike. This coach is a moron and has no clue what he's doing. Bulls, Bulls, Bulls ....all the useless Bulls.

 

Talent coming out our ears but let's select chumps like Plodder Pienaar, Kolisi, Basson, Spies, vd Merwe, Jannie and no doubt additional bozos like HouGat and Kirchner would also be running out had they been fit.

 

Tiresome.

 

 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
19 Jun 2013, 16:07
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19 Jun 2013, 16:07#4

"Bulls, Bulls, Bulls ....all the useless Bulls"

 

Well, I'd expect the Bulls to give the Samoans a 20 point beating at Loftus so if it's a Bulls-dominated team supplemented by a few experienced Springboks then we can expect a comfortable Springbok victory.

 

Look on the bright side, CC . . . it could be a lot worse . . . we could have a coach who was obsessed with the Hapless Stompies! That thought makes a Bulls-dominated team seem much more bearable, not so?

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Jun 2013, 16:29
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19 Jun 2013, 16:29#5

rooitwit you old goat! Dont tell me the Boks couldnt do with guys like Malherbe, Bekker, Burger (if fully fit) and even Elsdat in the mix.

Hapless stompies - what a empty head! Who exactly is from the revered WP who is letting the Boks down?We only have stars like Habana and Etzebeth in the side.

You talk about the bulle but how about Beast and Jannie  - how well are they going.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
19 Jun 2013, 16:34
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19 Jun 2013, 16:34#6

Tell you what Baboon-ou, to end this argument quickly without overtaxing you feeble little brain and causing you unnecessary pain from thinking too hard, just go take a look at where the Bulls are on the current S15 table compared to the Hapless Stompies.

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SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
19 Jun 2013, 16:40
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19 Jun 2013, 16:40#7

Rooinek

 

We are fielding a loosie as a hooker and a locks as loosies cause there is no one else to fill the positions. They are sit on a Bulls bench trying to wipe the cobwebs of their playing boots. You want reality?

 

Bulls outside of Pretoria is useless. Only reason they do so well is because teams have to cross 23 time zones and play them at high altitude. Level the playing field and you will see results like the hiding Canterbury gave them. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Jun 2013, 16:47
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19 Jun 2013, 16:47#8

Chimp ou hapless stompies compared to the sharks?

Anyone with half a brain cell should know a full strength Stormers side would this season have whipped the bulle real good. Sharks as well. Bulle third SA team but for ruinous injuries to Stormers and Sharks.

Spoony is correct re the double whammy re travel and altitude. Bulle away from Loftus tend to perform averagely. 

 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
19 Jun 2013, 16:54
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19 Jun 2013, 16:54#9

Teaspoon, I'd better mention here that I'm not actually a Bulls supporter, but I do think we tend to dump our coaches too quickly so personally I'd like to persist with Meyer. Yes, he still has a rather Bullscentric team but at least he's got rid of the likes JacPot, W Kruger, Greyling and Sideshow Bob! Let's count our blessings here . . . even if they are small!

 

When you say "we" above I'm guessing that you're referring to the Hapless Stompies? If so, please note that we've had one long blubbering non-stop whine this whole season from one of your fellow Stompie supporters this season about all the injuries the Stompies have suffered so please, spare us more of the same. All teams get injuries. That's why the better teams have good depth.

 

Oh and if teams are travelling across 23 time zones to get to Loftus, I'd suggest they switch their preferred airline to one where the pilots know which direction to fly!

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IhiClub Pro201 posts
19 Jun 2013, 16:56
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19 Jun 2013, 16:56#10

You guys were pretty lucky RWC I think Boks will lose and the loosies are going to be why. Samoa power at the rucks will give them lots of quality ball and it's gonna get ugly.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Jun 2013, 17:31
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19 Jun 2013, 17:31#11

Ihi we all know how dirty the Samoans can be so I am concerned that they might take some more cheap shots.  Its pretty easy to injure opposition players if that is your main purpose.

At the world cup the Samoans were so dirty that the Boks decided to play the game without the ball for much of the game to avoid injuries. The ref was incredibly lenient on these twits. But I think folk are realising how dirty they play and refs are tightning up on them. Against Italy they were fine.

I trust they are not thinking of trying that stunt again.

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SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
19 Jun 2013, 17:38
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19 Jun 2013, 17:38#12

Ihi we are playing at Loftus you need acouple of things to play there.

 

Players who have been playing at high altitude for a big part of the season or who are use to it.

South Africa - Checked

Samoa - Nope

 

A kickbot 3000 who can pop over 60 meter penalties and boot the ball 60 meters?

South Africa - Checked

Samoa - Nope

 

A game plan that is effecient in using plays that results in points in any way 3 points or 7. Time in the oppostions half and coming away with points is crucial. Cause if you run 70 meters and get kicked back 60 meters everytime you are going to run out of puff inside 40 to 50 minutes. Just ask Australia how dufficult Loftus is. Ask the Reds and the Chiefs

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