There have been so many "Sharks" on the Board are you the chap that visited my pad in CT?
Captain49,914 posts
16 Oct 2014, 17:34
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16 Oct 2014, 17:34#1
Say Sharkie
Started by Mozart18 REPLIES315 VIEWS· 16 Oct 2014, 17:34
Club Pro247 posts
16 Oct 2014, 17:53
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16 Oct 2014, 17:53#2
Yes sir ! Lasagne in Bantry Bay. Wont forget it
Captain49,914 posts
16 Oct 2014, 22:24
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16 Oct 2014, 22:24#3
Great to hear from you.
Captain40,032 posts
17 Oct 2014, 10:25
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17 Oct 2014, 10:25#4
Yes very nice to hear from Sharkie.
Wonder what he thinks of Jake departing so suddenly. There appears to be trouble in the Sharks camp. Jake though does not appear to have a record of upsetting the players as ou maaaikie ad soem others think.
Wonder what he thinks of Jake departing so suddenly. There appears to be trouble in the Sharks camp. Jake though does not appear to have a record of upsetting the players as ou maaaikie ad soem others think.
Coach57,555 posts
17 Oct 2014, 12:17
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17 Oct 2014, 12:17#5
Beeno
I think that Jake did upset some people and even players in the Sharks team by insisting on a game plan that really is not what they normally play. The other problem relates to the issue of the request of Meyer to play a more comprehensive game and the fact that the Bulls and Sharks did not even replay to the request. Once that became known there would have been problems in the Sharks camp - the Bulls would do nothing because they do not know anything else.
Be it as it may - some players were pushed around to accommodate Fransie and that would not have gone through without some unhappiness and the treatment meted out to Daniel would also have caused some player problems. If Fransie's performance justified his special treatment - it would not have been a problem - but he was rather average to poor throughout the season As to Daniel - he was captaining the Sharks for years and to just ignore him would have caused friction among the players.
Be it as it may Jake is gone and I think there are some more happy people in Sharksland.
I think that Jake did upset some people and even players in the Sharks team by insisting on a game plan that really is not what they normally play. The other problem relates to the issue of the request of Meyer to play a more comprehensive game and the fact that the Bulls and Sharks did not even replay to the request. Once that became known there would have been problems in the Sharks camp - the Bulls would do nothing because they do not know anything else.
Be it as it may - some players were pushed around to accommodate Fransie and that would not have gone through without some unhappiness and the treatment meted out to Daniel would also have caused some player problems. If Fransie's performance justified his special treatment - it would not have been a problem - but he was rather average to poor throughout the season As to Daniel - he was captaining the Sharks for years and to just ignore him would have caused friction among the players.
Be it as it may Jake is gone and I think there are some more happy people in Sharksland.
Club Pro247 posts
17 Oct 2014, 14:10
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17 Oct 2014, 14:10#6
Jake White has an excellent rugby brain, there is no disputing that however his people skills stink. I have heard that Jake and John Smit had a strained relationship at times when it was coach and captain. When seniority was reversed and it was a CEO and coach relationship, I think things started to wobble and fall apart.
I have no idea what Francois relationship was with the Sharks as a union but I sincerely doubt that had anything in the least to do with Jake's resignation.
One thing I do know about Jake White for sure is that he likes things to be done HIS way. When he doesn't get all the Lego he wants, he starts to throw toys. I can imagine there were probably disputes and whereas he could previously override John (when John was still a player), he now cant. That is what I think gave rise to this recent Jake White outburst.
So far there is not a single thing that has been asked of the Sharks by the Springboks that they have not conformed to. When asked to play Pat Lambie, they did - when asked not to - they didn't. And to suggest Heyneke Meyer was unhappy with the game plan the Sharks used in Super rugby is slightly daft to be honest. I mean the Sharks did win the South African conference and were the only SA side represented in the playoffs.
I have no idea what Francois relationship was with the Sharks as a union but I sincerely doubt that had anything in the least to do with Jake's resignation.
One thing I do know about Jake White for sure is that he likes things to be done HIS way. When he doesn't get all the Lego he wants, he starts to throw toys. I can imagine there were probably disputes and whereas he could previously override John (when John was still a player), he now cant. That is what I think gave rise to this recent Jake White outburst.
So far there is not a single thing that has been asked of the Sharks by the Springboks that they have not conformed to. When asked to play Pat Lambie, they did - when asked not to - they didn't. And to suggest Heyneke Meyer was unhappy with the game plan the Sharks used in Super rugby is slightly daft to be honest. I mean the Sharks did win the South African conference and were the only SA side represented in the playoffs.
Club Pro247 posts
17 Oct 2014, 14:26
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17 Oct 2014, 14:26#7
One thing that is worrying though is that the Sharks current coaching team have no idea. Brad McLeod-Henderson is one of the nicest chaps you will ever meet, but his charisma and giggling are not going to see the Sharks through the super rugby season next year. I am slightly worried.
John Smit hopefully has a plan.
The challenge (not new, been around for a long time) that faces SA rugby more so now than ever is the exodus of players overseas. The lure of contracts paid out in international currency combined with the dire situation with management of basic needs in South Africa is so seductive I think even the die hard patriots will begin to waiver.
Rugby players are growing more and more aware of this and the limited number of years they have to make their earnings. Its an unfortunate byproduct of banana republic syndrome.
John Smit hopefully has a plan.
The challenge (not new, been around for a long time) that faces SA rugby more so now than ever is the exodus of players overseas. The lure of contracts paid out in international currency combined with the dire situation with management of basic needs in South Africa is so seductive I think even the die hard patriots will begin to waiver.
Rugby players are growing more and more aware of this and the limited number of years they have to make their earnings. Its an unfortunate byproduct of banana republic syndrome.
Captain30,741 posts
17 Oct 2014, 14:33
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17 Oct 2014, 14:33#8
Yep Sharky and the constant quota threat is hardly going to help.
I see a window of opportunity in facilitating the exodus of SA players to the NH........I am working hard at formulating a plan.
Club Pro247 posts
17 Oct 2014, 15:20
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17 Oct 2014, 15:20#9
I must say, if I had a kid I would encourage them to go play overseas - right from the beginning. And if they were offered a Springbok jersey, I am not so sure I would be overjoyed to see them run onto a field in it because then they are trapped.
Someone like Paul Willemse is probably an example. Loads of talent so dad/mom probably advised him not to hang around in South Africa, living behind 9 foot walls - no water - no electricity, no security all the while earning a currency 14 times weaker than the Euro ? For what ? So that he can be affected/messed around by South African rugby ?
It's a no brainer. Go live like a professional sportsman is supposed to live in Europe.
The lumpy throats when the anthem is sung on 'rugby saterdag' doesn't cut it for a reason to stay - sorry.
Nah - he has made the right decision early on. Good for him !
Someone like Paul Willemse is probably an example. Loads of talent so dad/mom probably advised him not to hang around in South Africa, living behind 9 foot walls - no water - no electricity, no security all the while earning a currency 14 times weaker than the Euro ? For what ? So that he can be affected/messed around by South African rugby ?
It's a no brainer. Go live like a professional sportsman is supposed to live in Europe.
The lumpy throats when the anthem is sung on 'rugby saterdag' doesn't cut it for a reason to stay - sorry.
Nah - he has made the right decision early on. Good for him !
Coach57,555 posts
17 Oct 2014, 17:32
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17 Oct 2014, 17:32#10
Sharky
The comment on the game plan issue came from a recent report in the emdia about a request from Meyer to in writing submit proposals for a more expansive game plan to all the Super 15 franchises. The report quoted Coetzee at length and stated clearly that Jake White ignored the request from Meyer and never responded. My mistake could have been that I believed the report - but the fact is that the Sharks until the very end of Super 15 played the kick and chase game - a game plan that u;ltimately has never succeeded in Super 15.
I think that Jake's protection of Steyn was enough to ruffle the feathers of other players - eg he was excused from training with the team on Mondays and on occassion even Tuesday. That kind of treatment will automatically lead to unhappiness by other players.
However, there mayhave been problems between Jake and John Smit as yoiu suggested - but will we really know about it - unless somebody writes another book and tells the truth.
However, what is clear is that ther was a breakdown in relationship between Jake and some other people coonnected to the Sharks rugby team and that breakdown was the real reason for Jake' s departure.
The comment on the game plan issue came from a recent report in the emdia about a request from Meyer to in writing submit proposals for a more expansive game plan to all the Super 15 franchises. The report quoted Coetzee at length and stated clearly that Jake White ignored the request from Meyer and never responded. My mistake could have been that I believed the report - but the fact is that the Sharks until the very end of Super 15 played the kick and chase game - a game plan that u;ltimately has never succeeded in Super 15.
I think that Jake's protection of Steyn was enough to ruffle the feathers of other players - eg he was excused from training with the team on Mondays and on occassion even Tuesday. That kind of treatment will automatically lead to unhappiness by other players.
However, there mayhave been problems between Jake and John Smit as yoiu suggested - but will we really know about it - unless somebody writes another book and tells the truth.
However, what is clear is that ther was a breakdown in relationship between Jake and some other people coonnected to the Sharks rugby team and that breakdown was the real reason for Jake' s departure.
Club Pro247 posts
17 Oct 2014, 17:39
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17 Oct 2014, 17:39#11
I never read that - you got a reference ? I would be interested to read it.
The Sharks were the only South African team to make the playoffs, so apparently the other teams game plan wasn't all that successful either. I am not sure why the Sharks are being singled out here ?
Who's game plan did they prefer ? The 9th, 11th, 12th or 14th placed team ?
Sounds like a load of hogwash to me.
I have never heard or seen any evidence of Jake protecting Francois Steyn either. I think Fransie was a bit of a brat, but I also think he was jerked around in classic Springbok rugby circus style.
The relationship issues between John and Jake are also speculation. That comment I made is based off what my suspicions are - not 'fact'
The Sharks were the only South African team to make the playoffs, so apparently the other teams game plan wasn't all that successful either. I am not sure why the Sharks are being singled out here ?
Who's game plan did they prefer ? The 9th, 11th, 12th or 14th placed team ?
Sounds like a load of hogwash to me.
I have never heard or seen any evidence of Jake protecting Francois Steyn either. I think Fransie was a bit of a brat, but I also think he was jerked around in classic Springbok rugby circus style.
The relationship issues between John and Jake are also speculation. That comment I made is based off what my suspicions are - not 'fact'
Coach57,555 posts
17 Oct 2014, 17:59
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17 Oct 2014, 17:59#12
Sharky
Here is the report:-
"Two weeks ago Heyneke Meyer’s Springboks finally managed to defeat Steve Hansen’s All Blacks. It was the first time in his tenure that the Boks got a win over rugby’s number one side.
Here is the report:-
"Two weeks ago Heyneke Meyer’s Springboks finally managed to defeat Steve Hansen’s All Blacks. It was the first time in his tenure that the Boks got a win over rugby’s number one side.
The win was a sign of good things to come for the Boks, not because of the emphatic win but because of the way in which it was achieved.
The Boks, who had become world renowned for their dull, physical and kicking play, offered a much better type of style to the All Blacks than expected and it paid dividends.
But for the first time in ages things look bright for Springbok rugby. For years on end the South African public yearned for evolution in the Bok gameplan and at long last they have delivered exactly that.
But now credit is due to the passionate Bok mentor. Meyer has addressed a number of problems during the past three years. The most noticeable of these is the Bok presence at the breakdown.
Richie Grey has transformed this team to become the very best at the breakdown, something you would have credited to the All Blacks a few years ago. Indeed the Boks have been the best team in the world as far as the breakdown is concerned for two years running now.
Duane Vermeulen, Francois Louw, Marcell Coetzee, Bismarck du Plessis, Adriaan Strauss and even Bryan Habana have stamped their authority as fetchers in world rugby and have proven themselves to be highly influential against the All Blacks.
In fact the Boks have become so good at stealing ball that they, as a collective, haven’t sacrificed their discipline in doing so either. Against both the All Blacks and Wallabies in all four games the Boks have not been penalised more than four times for breakdown infringements. That is a telling statistic.
But now comes the question. What has sparked this significant change in the Springbok philosophy?
Well, earlier this year Meyer and Springbok captain Jean de Villiers came out saying that they recognise the fact that one cannot bludgeon the opposition with big forwards continuously anymore and that they must now stress the importance of out-thinking their opponents.
This was reinforced with Handre Pollard’s interview a week ago wherein he stated directly that “the days of kicking the ball away are over”.
But in reality the big change can be tracked back to November 2013, following the Springbok victory over France in Paris. After this game Meyer immediately headed out to meet with all the unions in the country.
First he set out to meet with the Blue Bulls, followed by the Natal Sharks and then the Free State Cheetahs, the Golden Lions and finally Western Province. What was said was left ambiguous. Until now. An article on SuperSport titled “WP help drive Heyneke’s revolution” clarified the nature of Meyer's meetings with the unions.
. It was revealed that Meyer asked for the assistance of the unions to help implement a new strategy to the Springboks. Of all the unions asked, only Western Province complied immediately. During the second half of the Super Rugby season a noticeable change was seen in the Stormers’ tactics. They had begun running the ball. Currently in the Currie Cup, Western Province have taken their attacking ability to a whole new level.
In July, coach Allister Coetzee said that the club had spoken with Meyer and were playing in line with the direction the Boks wanted to take. We wanted to introduce this system earlier during Super Rugby but we were prevented from doing so because of the 23 injuries we suffered in the season,” Coetzee said. “But now we have decided to press on with it”
Coetzee said the Stormers couldn’t play an attacking game without the players being conditioned to do so. The Stormers introduced a “red session” practice every Tuesday for all their age group teams.
During this session the players are pushed to place they have never been. It consists of 80 minutes or pure fitness, with a 10-minute break, just like in a real game scenario. “This ensures that the training is even tougher than an actual game of rugby,” Coetzee said.
“To me what was telling against the Blue Bulls was how we made 263 tackles and despite that we turned the ball over 15 times and scored three 40 to 80 metre tries while offloading the ball 12 times and breaking the line eight times,” Coetzee said.
“We really surprised them with the tempo of our play.” Coetzee also said that the Stormers’ had no problems with contracted players not currently playing Currie Cup for the good of Meyer and the Springboks.
“While it would have been good to have someone like Damian de Allende back with us we understand Heyneke’s request,” Coetzee said.
“He wants to turn Damian into an outside centre because that’s where he wants to start him at the World Cup.”
“I have spoken to Damian and he is eager to learn the subtleties of outside centre, he wants to learn how to organise a defence in the back line, which is something Jan Serfontein also lacks.
“He is very eager to make the swap and I’ll help Heyneke with that by playing Damian at 13 as well.”
Of all the unions asked to help the Bok cause only three have submitted thus far. The Bulls and the Sharks have been said to be particularly stubborn in regards to Meyer’s plea.
To me this is understandable. The Sharks, especially under Jake White, were never going to change their style. Jake just wouldn’t leave JakeBall. However the Sharks are now rid of him and I suspect we could see a change soon.
The Bulls are the architects of the kick-chase game. They have been playing it for years on end and it is understandable that it will take time for them to adjust. For the first time a Springbok coach seems to be getting the support he needs from his unions and now the ball is in his court. Players like Eben Etzebeth, Duane Vermeulen, Jean de Villiers and Damian de Allende have not yet been subjected to the Stormers’ new philosophy nor their “red sessions”.
Expect these players to come out next year looking much better in terms of conditioning and skill levels. Hopefully both the Sharks and Bulls will follow suit."
Sharky - there seems to b some truth in this argument - especially if one bears in mind the ifference in playing style over the past three rounds of the CC. The kick-and-cahse game is not really applied by the Shark anymore.
Club Pro247 posts
17 Oct 2014, 18:39
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17 Oct 2014, 18:39#13
Interesting. Whatever game plan was instituted by the other unions in Super rugby certainly didn't work. Sharks ended 3rd, the next South African team ended 9th.
And while one is cruising toward the possibility of a home semi-final in the Super 15 (which seemed a strong possibility for the Sharks through 75% of the season), you dont change your style.
If this is all true and in that context, as the article says - one cannot blame the Sharks. We not going to change to the same kuk rugby that gets you 9th position on the Super rugby log thanks very much.
And while one is cruising toward the possibility of a home semi-final in the Super 15 (which seemed a strong possibility for the Sharks through 75% of the season), you dont change your style.
If this is all true and in that context, as the article says - one cannot blame the Sharks. We not going to change to the same kuk rugby that gets you 9th position on the Super rugby log thanks very much.
Coach57,555 posts
17 Oct 2014, 19:40
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17 Oct 2014, 19:40#14
Sharky
I am afraid it is not that easy. The same type of rugby was played in 2012 by the Stpormers and they got unstuck in the semi-final. The problem is the game plan has limitations and in Super 15 you cannot rely solely on -
* goal kicks; and* defense
Ultimately the scoring of tries is important - and even though the Sharks ended up third on the log - the Stormers in 2012 was second on the log - they did not score enough tries and both got unstuck because of that problem.
For that you need a functioning backline and at the best of times this year the Sharks backline malfunctioned. Even though the other franchises did worse - they are reasons for it - the Stormers had a nightmare year with injuries - the Lions did better than expected - the Bulls had a nightmare at flyhalf and started to perform better when he was changed and the Cheetahs always had a very small talent pool comparative to the other franchises. Whenever they built up players to top levels - they got fleeced by the other franchises and often enough by foreaign clubs.
I think there needs to be a more expansive game plan with variations an the latter was missing from the Sharks this year.
I think Meyer is correct in this case. The kick-and-chase game may in the interu=im leads to success - but ultmately it is a failure, I am not saying kicking is taboo - I am saying kicking must have an objective and the kicking of for instance Francois Steyn was mostly aimless and at times wildly inaccurate.
I am afraid it is not that easy. The same type of rugby was played in 2012 by the Stpormers and they got unstuck in the semi-final. The problem is the game plan has limitations and in Super 15 you cannot rely solely on -
* goal kicks; and* defense
Ultimately the scoring of tries is important - and even though the Sharks ended up third on the log - the Stormers in 2012 was second on the log - they did not score enough tries and both got unstuck because of that problem.
For that you need a functioning backline and at the best of times this year the Sharks backline malfunctioned. Even though the other franchises did worse - they are reasons for it - the Stormers had a nightmare year with injuries - the Lions did better than expected - the Bulls had a nightmare at flyhalf and started to perform better when he was changed and the Cheetahs always had a very small talent pool comparative to the other franchises. Whenever they built up players to top levels - they got fleeced by the other franchises and often enough by foreaign clubs.
I think there needs to be a more expansive game plan with variations an the latter was missing from the Sharks this year.
I think Meyer is correct in this case. The kick-and-chase game may in the interu=im leads to success - but ultmately it is a failure, I am not saying kicking is taboo - I am saying kicking must have an objective and the kicking of for instance Francois Steyn was mostly aimless and at times wildly inaccurate.
Club Pro247 posts
18 Oct 2014, 05:37
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18 Oct 2014, 05:37#15
Gee Mike, you certainly are a tough task master when it comes to the Sharks considering they scored 1 more try (29) than the Bulls (28) and only 1 less than the Stormers (30).
Difference was they won a lot of close games. The character to win these close encounters (even if the rugby is a bit ugly) actually brings just as much to a team if not more than the elusive, expansive game plan in South African rugby. This especially true since I dont recall watching too many 'expansive' world cup finals in my lifetime. Not sure if you have.
They also had their share of injuries playing without their first choice flyhalf, Patrick Lambie and also Pieter Steph Du Toit, Paul Jordaan, Beast, Bismark and a couple of others for the parts of the season.
Personally, I find equating Heyneke Meyer to an expansive format quite humurous considering the road used to arrive at success for the Bulls in 2007 and beyond. There was nothing expansive about their game plan, and considering Meyer only just got rid of Morne Steyn, there really is nothing expansive about the Springbok game plan either.
This all said though, I do agree that the Sharks backline did not smother themselves in attacking glory in 2014 Super rugby. If you consider some of the players called up to the Springbok squad, one can see how shallow the talent pool is in certain areas.
So I will respectfully disagree with you. I think the absolute last thing on this earth that the Sharks want, is to adopt any game plan recommended by Heyneke 'stampkar rugby' Meyer. I hope in the name of the flying spaghetti monster that John Smit digs his heels in and never relents in that regard. 6 Currie Cup finals in 7 years....we'll take it thanks.
Difference was they won a lot of close games. The character to win these close encounters (even if the rugby is a bit ugly) actually brings just as much to a team if not more than the elusive, expansive game plan in South African rugby. This especially true since I dont recall watching too many 'expansive' world cup finals in my lifetime. Not sure if you have.
They also had their share of injuries playing without their first choice flyhalf, Patrick Lambie and also Pieter Steph Du Toit, Paul Jordaan, Beast, Bismark and a couple of others for the parts of the season.
Personally, I find equating Heyneke Meyer to an expansive format quite humurous considering the road used to arrive at success for the Bulls in 2007 and beyond. There was nothing expansive about their game plan, and considering Meyer only just got rid of Morne Steyn, there really is nothing expansive about the Springbok game plan either.
This all said though, I do agree that the Sharks backline did not smother themselves in attacking glory in 2014 Super rugby. If you consider some of the players called up to the Springbok squad, one can see how shallow the talent pool is in certain areas.
So I will respectfully disagree with you. I think the absolute last thing on this earth that the Sharks want, is to adopt any game plan recommended by Heyneke 'stampkar rugby' Meyer. I hope in the name of the flying spaghetti monster that John Smit digs his heels in and never relents in that regard. 6 Currie Cup finals in 7 years....we'll take it thanks.
Captain40,032 posts
18 Oct 2014, 10:31
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18 Oct 2014, 10:31#17
Ou maaaikie says - However, there mayhave been problems between Jake and John Smit as yoiu suggested - but will we really know about it - unless somebody writes another book and tells the truth.
However, what is clear is that ther was a breakdown in relationship between Jake and some other people coonnected to the Sharks rugby team and that breakdown was the real reason for Jake's departure. Ou maaaikie rather say you have no idea - bwahahahahah
I would like to humbly sugget that neither of these two guppie supporters know what happened and are wildly speculating as guppie supporters are so prone to doing .
Sharkie though makes valid points about where the Sharks ended on the log after a season plagued with injuries and the number of tries scored.
John Smit and Jake obviously got on very well in the past and it is speculative to assume their realtionship suddenly noze dived.
It would appear ou snapster is working on something of a lucrative nature re the exodus of SA players. As long as they dont read his blogs here and decide he is a lunatic maybe he will be able to work an angle with the players!
I recall years ago being called a nazi by certain oaks when calling for merit selection. The naked racism in SA today has been unmasked and it is pleasing to see the change of tune by the oaks as they at last recognise the evil at work.How about this one:
So the Gauteng u15, 17 and 19 trials were held over the last week, culminating in the announcement of the players selected for the relevant teams to represent their province in tournaments to be played in December. The race based nature of the selections was astounding! White batsmen scoring more runs than 3 or 4 players of colour put together were excluded in favour of the coloured, black and indian players. Black players who hardly make a school B team ending up in a Provincial A team? Makes the entire process a farce and completely loses credibility. Racism in the name of development and transformation? Just continues and reinforces resentment for the next generation in my opinion!
However, what is clear is that ther was a breakdown in relationship between Jake and some other people coonnected to the Sharks rugby team and that breakdown was the real reason for Jake's departure. Ou maaaikie rather say you have no idea - bwahahahahah
I would like to humbly sugget that neither of these two guppie supporters know what happened and are wildly speculating as guppie supporters are so prone to doing .
Sharkie though makes valid points about where the Sharks ended on the log after a season plagued with injuries and the number of tries scored.
John Smit and Jake obviously got on very well in the past and it is speculative to assume their realtionship suddenly noze dived.
It would appear ou snapster is working on something of a lucrative nature re the exodus of SA players. As long as they dont read his blogs here and decide he is a lunatic maybe he will be able to work an angle with the players!
I recall years ago being called a nazi by certain oaks when calling for merit selection. The naked racism in SA today has been unmasked and it is pleasing to see the change of tune by the oaks as they at last recognise the evil at work.How about this one:
So the Gauteng u15, 17 and 19 trials were held over the last week, culminating in the announcement of the players selected for the relevant teams to represent their province in tournaments to be played in December. The race based nature of the selections was astounding! White batsmen scoring more runs than 3 or 4 players of colour put together were excluded in favour of the coloured, black and indian players. Black players who hardly make a school B team ending up in a Provincial A team? Makes the entire process a farce and completely loses credibility. Racism in the name of development and transformation? Just continues and reinforces resentment for the next generation in my opinion!
Coach57,555 posts
18 Oct 2014, 10:32
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18 Oct 2014, 10:32#18
Sharky
I agree with you aboout the WC final being an armwrestle up front and that it does not produce any expansive rugby, but we are talking here about Super 15 and there really is a difference in that case. The RC is also different - it produces plenty of tries.
Matter of fact the problem with most SA sides was comparative to other sides they scored fewer tries in Super 15 this year. In fact most of theirtries scored were by forward - with their backlines not at all being prominent in try scoring. I am not sure about the figures - but at one stage the Cheetajs backline scored more tries in Super 15 thna the totl number of tries scored by the whole of the Sharks, Bulls and Stormers whole teams did.
I think the Sharks backline at times in the CC floundered - but showed some very positive signs as well.
In essense there needs to eb a degree in variation of play depending on circumstances and that does need some expertise on the part of all players and that expertise can only be gained through usage in matches.
I agree with you aboout the WC final being an armwrestle up front and that it does not produce any expansive rugby, but we are talking here about Super 15 and there really is a difference in that case. The RC is also different - it produces plenty of tries.
Matter of fact the problem with most SA sides was comparative to other sides they scored fewer tries in Super 15 this year. In fact most of theirtries scored were by forward - with their backlines not at all being prominent in try scoring. I am not sure about the figures - but at one stage the Cheetajs backline scored more tries in Super 15 thna the totl number of tries scored by the whole of the Sharks, Bulls and Stormers whole teams did.
I think the Sharks backline at times in the CC floundered - but showed some very positive signs as well.
In essense there needs to eb a degree in variation of play depending on circumstances and that does need some expertise on the part of all players and that expertise can only be gained through usage in matches.
Captain40,032 posts
18 Oct 2014, 10:43
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18 Oct 2014, 10:43#19
Mike SA rugby made a false turn as a consequence of the Bulle having some success with that style.Yes the Cheetahs did score tries but leaked them like a sive. The amazing thing is these professionsal had to learn that BOTH attack AND defence were necessary and all the issues that go along with that.
Things are coming back on track and we shall see a better balanced approach. Talk of Jakeball is utter nonsnese and needs to be abandoned as it makes those peddaling the notion look like they don't have a clue. Jake plays to win and will adapt his style to his resources and opposition, conditions etc. Like sharkie says Jake has a good rugby brain and after all was it not Master Jake who schooled Sirs john and graham.
Things are coming back on track and we shall see a better balanced approach. Talk of Jakeball is utter nonsnese and needs to be abandoned as it makes those peddaling the notion look like they don't have a clue. Jake plays to win and will adapt his style to his resources and opposition, conditions etc. Like sharkie says Jake has a good rugby brain and after all was it not Master Jake who schooled Sirs john and graham.
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