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Selection nirvana - who to pick if every All Black is fit?

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
30 Aug 2013, 10:41
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30 Aug 2013, 10:41#1

Selection nirvana - who to pick if every All Black is fit?

Steven Luatua has made a startling impression debuting as a blindside not merely with the desired traits, but offering lineout capabilities, a boon to a position that only recently Liam Messam has made his own, a scenario not merely limited to number six as the World Champion's depth steadily increases.

 

Tom Taylor steps into the breach when Dan Carter, Aaron Cruden and Beauden Barrett go down, and three young tyros at halfback are now the three senior number nines as Aaron Smith, TJ Perenara and Tawera Kerr-Barlow headline the next generation.

Some positions may not have the same luxuries, but there is little doubt that Steve Hansen could now conceivably draw on a talent pool stretching beyond forty players.

Over twenty players who tasted success at the 2011 Rugby World Cup are now not in selection reckoning, although it is not beyond the realm of possibilities to imagine the likes of Sonny Bill Williams and Jerome Kaino throwing their hats in the rings in the future, while over a dozen new caps have been introduced by the current All Blacks selectors.

Injuries are allowing new players to perform on the highest stage, while the gradual introduction of players, from fleeting appearances at All Blacks training camps to the current program giving younger hookers a taste of the Test environment – are measures that are adding to the pool of international ready players.

But who would get the nod if every player was fit?

If, allowing for potential retirements, new faces or continuing veterans, Hansen and the All Blacks selectors had conceivably all of their options available, how would 22 players fit into the first choice squad?

At fullback, Israel Dagg has re-established himself, and his likely competitor Ben Smith has now seemingly locked in a wing position, and while Julian Savea is now the incumbent on the other side of the field, the return of Cory Jane will add to the mix.

While the midfield doesn’t have the depth the selectors would like, while Ma’a Nonu and Conrad Smith are fit they have the services of two of the All Blacks finest ever at 12 and 13, while the depth at first five-eighth and halfback is now burgeoning to the point of astonishment.

Charles Piutau and Francis Saili are the two Blues sensations, statistically among the best attackers in Super Rugby, will eventually get their chance, while Tom Taylor and Dan Carter could be considered as wildcards to shift out to the centres.

Up front the All Blacks production line is backed up by Luatua’s emergence, which will force questions as Messam – and potentially Jerome Kaino – returns, while depth at lock increases, and the focus on finding the next New Zealand Test rake has intensified.

One suspects the starting team would still pick itself, even if Cruden and Carter are finding the queue behind them developing, and the selectors would no doubt like someone putting the heat on McCaw as well as on Kieran Read and Tony Woodcock, three players who don’t have consistent challengers to their jersey, a dilemma that eventually will want to be created by the selectors.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
30 Aug 2013, 10:55
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30 Aug 2013, 10:55#2

Naru san: wow it is getting to the point where you have to have some sympathy for the opposition - nah, not really, lol

It is clear that the ABs are really bringing in young talent nicely. Hooker is still a spot I would highlight as an area of concern going forward. I saw in the Hearald that Mealamu has signed through the the RWC but he is an ageing warrior and IMO most likely will be a bench player or simple a saftey net in the squad by the time the RWC rolls around.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/all-blacks/news/article.cfm?c_id=116&objectid=11116092

Coles is developing but we will see, plus we need to find someone else. Hopefully it hooker will end up being like our depth at half back. Man, that depth seemed to come from nowhere, lol

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
30 Aug 2013, 11:02
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30 Aug 2013, 11:02#3

so which All Blacks team would u pick to face the pumas, if all players were available???

my All Blacks team to face the pumas would be,,,
1 b franks, 2 k mealamu, 3 c faumuina, 4 s luatua, 5 b retallick, 6 l messam, 7 R McCaw, 8 k read, 9 t kerr barlow, 10 d carter, 11 j savea, 12 f saili, 13 c smith, 14 b smith, 15 c piutau
16 d coles, 17 w crockett, 18 o franks, 19 s whitelock, 20 s cane 21 tj perenara, 22 a cruden, 23 i dagg

while the puma s are a formidable team, we need to take advantage of such a high profile game being in NZ and give others that normally wouldnt start or make the 23 a good run out, and also give players who havent played in the RC/4nats a run.
included in the normally wouldnt start or crack the 23 category are b franks. c faumuina, s luatua, t kerr barloiw, f saili, c piutau and players who havent played yet are d carter, l messam.

i would start luatua at lock and give whitelock some bench time in preparation of the Boks the following week, that way luatua can continue to grow as an All Black while whitelock and retallick can swap and give it their all in smaller and non80minute increments again for the Boks coming up.

carter and messam need to start and play the whole 80mins, cos if theyre fit the following week, i would still pick them two ahead of the very impressive luatua and all the solid flyhalves which have stepped up in carters absence.

i opted to start kev as his blues combo with charlie will come in handy against the pumas tough tight 5, and i also started ben franks for much needed game time and also to give veteran and new member of the ABs 100 club a good rest, save him for the Boks.

kerr barlow gets a start and aaron smith is no where to be found, i think smith is in great form and easily the incumbent, but barlow needs to start a few games and this gives smith a decen breather and also tj perenara for his first taste.

f saili was a no brainer, let nonu get a week off to fix that stinger, lolz. we can call him back up the following week, and with SBW still not confirmed, f saili getting a run will help in developing All Black depth which is always a win.

swapped piutau for dagg, we need piutau to get some decent game time too to strut his stuff and none of this 5 min from full time BS.

having the likes of o franks, s whitelock, a cruden and i dagg on the bench is a nice safety net for the just in case of the off chance the pumas do a mendoza on us.
it could be a nice wake up call for the All Blacks if the pumas do give us a scare, nothing helps kick complacency in the butt like the narrowest win or loss, preferably not the latter, :o)

GO THE MIGHTY MIGHTY ALL BLACKS!!!

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
30 Aug 2013, 11:09
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30 Aug 2013, 11:09#4

@mr win,

yeah nice to have kev kicking aorund til the RWC, but will he even be in the running for the ABs squad by then??? o_O
IMO, no, not even as a bench player, i can see hore making the squad though.

hopefully ged robinson makes a good impact at ITN to make the EOYT, but i have been really impressed with coles, and if his pregress continues the way it has been, then were going to be sorted come the RWC, cos he really likes to  move his frame around the field for some work and get invloved with the tight stuff which is really impressive.

when the All Blacks were training in the various locations around NZ, they were inviting all the hookers from the ITM in the area to come train with the All blacks, this gave the guys an experience of a lifetime, plus it made them aware of what was required at that level.
i thought this was brilliant from the All Blacks as it is a real good developemnt tool, plus if they werent already motivated enough, hwat would it be like after getting a taste of All Black training, o_O

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
30 Aug 2013, 11:16
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30 Aug 2013, 11:16#5

 

Wow ... why don't you guys blow your trumpets a little louder. I can't hear you clearly from Africa.

 

Like in the USA everything is always "bigger and better" there than everywhere else.

 

It's amazing ... you guys must be so proud ... you have the best two centers in world rugby ... the best two attackers in super rugby ... the best three or four flyhalves in the world ... the best outside backs in the world in Dagg, Savea and Smith ... The best loose trio in Read and Luatua and don't forget that McCaw is the greatest of all time ... worthy of our adoration and worship.

 

I'm sure your reserves bench will easily walk into any starting 15 across the globe.

 

Very impressive ... I must say.

 

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
30 Aug 2013, 11:27
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30 Aug 2013, 11:27#6

@clean cut,

thats not a trumpet ur hearing, thats a vuvuzela, LMAO, :oD
 
but errr, i fail to see where any of ur comments can be correctly applied with the comments here??? except the one about king richie, but thats just common knowledge.
 
the only discussions going on here are about the All Blacks selection options heading into the pumas test, :o)

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WardadPro6,663 posts
30 Aug 2013, 11:30
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30 Aug 2013, 11:30#7

 Next year Ged Robinson will be in contention for hooker just-win [ hi sas!] and not before time too ! I have been watching this young bloke for a while now since my errrrr....ummm...kids pointed him out to me as someone to watch !

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
30 Aug 2013, 11:39
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30 Aug 2013, 11:39#8

@Naru san: yes, sadly you are probably right about Kev.

I have high hopes for ged robinson also. I had never heard of him until I started S15 fantasy rugby but man that guy racks up some points. He is a dynamo. I hope NZ rugby makes sure he is playing for a NZ s15 team and that the ABs can then keep an eye on his development. I agree on Coles also, he has all the signs of being a good one.

Hansen seems to be making all the right moves, bringing in new talent, resting key players, creating a competitive environment. His PR style is amusing & may get him into trouble from time to time but I like his bravado. He projects himself above coaches like mckenzie and this is all part of the pyche game.

How we adjust to the NH refs and the style of the pommies will be a thing to watch - they have a more balanced game now. Of course the breakdown battle will be a key. For sure we will be fired up for our next game with the poms. We have had to live with that loss for quite a while now. Good to have something to give us an edge and to build towards and it serve this purpose.

On your picks, looks like a strong emphasis on development of players, plus giving players such as Messam a run as he has been out for a while. IMO Hansen will be building for the Boks so managing player workload, continuing to develop his style of play (speed and accuracy) and individual player development. Your picks may be his picks but we will see how radical he is in terms of bringing in the new guys. I want to see players like  f saili, c piutau get a good run :)  And TK Barlow, I always like seeing him play (very active and very aggressive defense) & he will only get better. Perenara, another one who deserves a shot . His development was slowed by his injury but we need him in the mix for the future.

In short, I can't disagree with your picks :)

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RugganutClub Pro183 posts
30 Aug 2013, 11:49
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30 Aug 2013, 11:49#9

Who really cares who you pick they are just a bunch of coached cheats. Dont you have a NZ website forum where you can ask your fellow sheep shaggers ? Your opion makes no differance at all. Hansen knows who will cheat and who will not so that is his selection headache over.

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
30 Aug 2013, 11:56
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30 Aug 2013, 11:56#10

hi warhammer, yes i have to admit to stealing the odd player idea from the my little warpony clan, LMAO, :oD

@mr win,
thats a good question, where will ged robinson play in the NZ spXV franchises

chiefs - hika elliot, m schwalger, r marshall

crusaders - cory flynn, ben funnel

blues - kev mealamu, james parsons, quintin mcdonald

hurricanes - dane coles, motu matuu, ash dixon

highlanders - andrew hore, liam coltman, rhys marshall

theres some surprisingly real good depth everywhere within the NZ franchises, and those guys will be around for while as they know hore and kev are playing on borrowed time.

i love mahorni schwalger, but hes a former manu samoa player, IMO NZRU need to put their foot down and either say to rennie u got no choice bro, take ged into ur books and drop schwalger.

it sucks, but these are the tough choices one must make, all NZ rugby roads lead to the All Blacks, period.
i would have no problem setting that up if i was president of the NZRU, instead im president to a more prestigious club, LMAO, :oP

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
30 Aug 2013, 12:06
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30 Aug 2013, 12:06#11

@rugganut: with a face like your I wouldn't be calling anyone names, best to keep a low profile mate, lol

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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
30 Aug 2013, 20:14
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30 Aug 2013, 20:14#12

That's a nice team, naru. I would go even farther and pick up D. Coles to start for giving him game time, rest K. Read who hasn't got a clear back up (Nasi Manu could be this backup in the future, I agree with you in that) and atm is essential for the AB, play MacCaw at 8 and Cane or Todd  at 7 (IMO Todd is way more inform). I would like to see also B. Smith at 13 but there would be already too much changes in this team and could leave this for the EOYT.
But this is not the policy of the coaching staff. Hansen will go with his best team as he did last year so the team will be:


1.Woodcock 2. Hore 3. O. Franks (if fit)


4. S. Whitelock 5. Retallick


6. Messam/Luatua 7. McCaw 8. Read


9.A. Smith 10. Carter


12. Nonu(if fit) 13. C.Smith


11. Savea 14. B.Smith 15. Dagg

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
01 Sept 2013, 14:38
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01 Sept 2013, 14:38#13

@abasquefan,

only reason i didnt start coles was there was already enough changes in the team, still need that core exeprience to help steady the ship in case the pumas have us back pedaling, improbable, but not impossible.

good point on read though, but for the same reasons regarding coles i would be a little reluctant to make those changes.
maybe at halftime if everything was going the All Blacks way, sub off read and put McCaw at 8 with cane getting another decent 40min run???

but i agree with u, i think hansen will pretty much be playing close to his strongest team with maybe one or two players being added in, like last year when vito started ahead of messam. its a bit of a waste, considering the pumas is chance to explore those options with the home advantage.

we are playing japan this year, so that would be a prime opportunity to play all the players we want,,,,

All Blacks team against japan
1 ben franks, 2 d coles, 3 c faumuina, 4 l romano, 5 j thrush, 6 R McCaw, 7 s cane, 8 s luatua, 9 tj perenara, 10 beauden barret, 11 i dagg, 12 f saili, 13 c smith, 14 b smith, 15 c piutau
16 k mealamu, 17 w crocektt, 18 o franks, 19 b retallick, 20 l messam, 21 a smith, 22 d carter, 23 r crotty

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Sept 2013, 16:17
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01 Sept 2013, 16:17#14
Sasue Not to worry - whomsoever the AB's pick - they will beat the hell out of Meyer's collection of players - especially that crazy lot he picked from the French Clubs and that useless back row he cannot live without. Maybe a couple of big losses will be best for us - since it may open some eye to the fact that we have a dolt living in the rugby world of ten years ago as a coach. There is no way in the world that we will win any of the remaining matches in the RC - so I do not think there are too much to worry about in any event by the AB's - neither by the Wallabies as well. So lets wait and see the excuses after the tests on Saturday - I can already see that Beeno will blame the bent referees and Mozart will blame it all on Engelbrecht. .
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
01 Sept 2013, 17:14
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01 Sept 2013, 17:14#15

@mikey,

food for thought, but a little bit of brother beenos optimism cant be a bad thing???

i stated very ealry on that i dont expec the Boks to beat either the wallabies or All Blacks home and away, but theyre still the Boks and ill still give them the respect they deserve.
none of the teams i listed on this thread would resmeble anything close to the team i would assmble against the Boks, that level of complacency is how teams lose, but luckily both shag and McCaw are very well aware of this.

for me i dont care how much the All Blacks beat them as long as they beat them, that is the ultimate bottom line and something i think that u and others here have forgotten. cos while the Boks have their issues, a 100% record in 2013 is still a 100% no matter how many issues u think they have had this year.

i would love for the All Blacks to smash both the pumas and Boks for a 6, but will be more then happy if the All Blacks finish the next two rounds with a 100% record since the RC/4nats began.

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
01 Sept 2013, 17:14
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01 Sept 2013, 17:14#16

@mikey,

food for thought, but a little bit of brother beenos optimism cant be a bad thing???

i stated very ealry on that i dont expec the Boks to beat either the wallabies or All Blacks home and away, but theyre still the Boks and ill still give them the respect they deserve.
none of the teams i listed on this thread would resmeble anything close to the team i would assmble against the Boks, that level of complacency is how teams lose, but luckily both shag and McCaw are very well aware of this.

for me i dont care how much the All Blacks beat them as long as they beat them, that is the ultimate bottom line and something i think that u and others here have forgotten. cos while the Boks have their issues, a 100% record in 2013 is still a 100% no matter how many issues u think they have had this year.

i would love for the All Blacks to smash both the pumas and Boks for a 6, but will be more then happy if the All Blacks finish the next two rounds with a 100% record since the RC/4nats began.

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